AT vs MT
teh 6sp is alWaYz teh FaStAr!!111
but seriously, the auto transmission shouldn't be your first choice if you want maximum performance out of your vehicle. that being said...the manual transmission guys should cut the elitist attitude and stop confusing the transmission of a car to the size of their ****....lol....i said ****....
but seriously, the auto transmission shouldn't be your first choice if you want maximum performance out of your vehicle. that being said...the manual transmission guys should cut the elitist attitude and stop confusing the transmission of a car to the size of their ****....lol....i said ****....
Originally Posted by cvt
teh 6sp is alWaYz teh FaStAr!!111
but seriously, the auto transmission shouldn't be your first choice if you want maximum performance out of your vehicle. that being said...the manual transmission guys should cut the elitist attitude and stop confusing the transmission of a car to the size of their ****....lol....i said ****....
but seriously, the auto transmission shouldn't be your first choice if you want maximum performance out of your vehicle. that being said...the manual transmission guys should cut the elitist attitude and stop confusing the transmission of a car to the size of their ****....lol....i said ****....
Originally Posted by slackjaw
Wonder if I can get the Enzo (or any other Ferrari) w/ an automatic?? C'mon, no sports car should be auto-trans. This shouldn't even a consideration. My 2 cents.
The $195,000 2005 Ferrari F430 is powered by a new 490-horsepower 90-degree 4.3-liter V8 engine that is very light and compact, while producing an incredible 114 horsepower per liter. A Formula One-style gearbox is used, reducing gear shift times to only 150 milliseconds. Performance figures from Ferrari promise acceleration from zero to 62 mph in 4.0 seconds and a top speed of over 196 mph. Two technical innovations that come directly from the Ferrari Formula One cars will be offered for the first time on a production car when they debut on the F430. They are an E-Diff electronic differential, and a steering-wheel-mounted switch that controls the integrated systems managing vehicle dynamics.
The $250,000 612 Scaglietti is powered by a 540-horsepower V12 engine mounted behind the front axle for a front mid-engine layout with both the transmission and the differential mounted at the rear axle to achieve a 46 percent/54 percent front/rear weight distribution. The 612 Scaglietti is offered with either a 6-speed manual gearbox or the next-generation F1 electro-hydraulic system that operates the clutch and changes gears when the driver flicks the paddles behind the steering wheel. The F1 electro-hydraulic system can operate in an automatic mode, but the transmission is still a mechanical unit containing a clutch.
The $275,000 2005 Ferrari Superamerica is the first production car with a tint-adjustable, one-piece electrochromic glass roof that doesn’t fold, but rotates to the rear and stores on the rear deck lid for open-air driving. The Superamerica is powered by a 540-horsepower V12 engine mated to either a 6-speed manual or the electro-mechanical F1 gearbox.
First off, SMG =/= "automatic"; no torque converter.
SMGs (or DSGs like Audi has) are better than automatics, period. Whether they are better than manuals, make your own decision. I drove a Z4 with the SMG and I could shift smoother than it when I was 16 and just learning to drive... But they vary from vehicle to vehicle.
Sounds more like a GT than a sports car to me. Speaking of sports cars, what transmission options are available on the Elise or the Exige?
Automatic is a [albeit slight] compromise.. Just like my stereo, AC, etc..
SMGs (or DSGs like Audi has) are better than automatics, period. Whether they are better than manuals, make your own decision. I drove a Z4 with the SMG and I could shift smoother than it when I was 16 and just learning to drive... But they vary from vehicle to vehicle.
Scaglietti will blend the perfect combination of performance and comfort in the best traditions of a true Ferrari berlinetta designed to accommodate four people in high-speed luxury and safety
Automatic is a [albeit slight] compromise.. Just like my stereo, AC, etc..
Last edited by Dissident; Feb 6, 2006 at 02:58 PM.
Originally Posted by Paul350Z
pwned!
That means a 6 speed automatic.
Optional on these models. Wonder what Ferrari knows that we don't?
That means a 6 speed automatic.
Optional on these models. Wonder what Ferrari knows that we don't?
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Most of the people who can afford a Ferreri are old farts who do not like to shift for themselves.... 6mt in a 350z is a lot of fun, but if you travel in heavey traffic areas then Automatic is the way to go....
For me I live in the desert so there's not a lot of traffic compared to say L.A. or San Diego, so I went with 6mt in both my 350ZR and G35 Sedan... Have no regrets..
For me I live in the desert so there's not a lot of traffic compared to say L.A. or San Diego, so I went with 6mt in both my 350ZR and G35 Sedan... Have no regrets..
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Originally Posted by WYZIWYG
YaaaaaaaY!!!!! Another AT vs. MT thread. We've waited the requisite 3 months so I guess it's high time for another one! Boy oh boy, never do grow tired of these. Keep 'em coming and see you all back here in April 
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Originally Posted by sq40
I will just mark it up to jelousy, People that couldn't afford to buy an AT when they bought the car.. 
Really though..
i have mixed emotions about my 5AT. When I was working out the deal on the car, the I could only Find 1 Super Black ZR, It was a 5AT. I didn't really want the Auto since I like driving a stick, but the Wife pressured me a bit and the Auto "Wasn't that bad" IMO..
I have grown to like the Auto just for the convenience of throwing it in drive and being done with it, especially if im tired. BUT, I really do miss having the stick when I'm wanting to get on it.. The manual Mode is fun, but the trow is way too long with the 8 inch "*****" of a shifter. So I might do the MOMO short thow swap out.. Maybe that will satisfy my desire to shift a bit.
Really though..
i have mixed emotions about my 5AT. When I was working out the deal on the car, the I could only Find 1 Super Black ZR, It was a 5AT. I didn't really want the Auto since I like driving a stick, but the Wife pressured me a bit and the Auto "Wasn't that bad" IMO..
I have grown to like the Auto just for the convenience of throwing it in drive and being done with it, especially if im tired. BUT, I really do miss having the stick when I'm wanting to get on it.. The manual Mode is fun, but the trow is way too long with the 8 inch "*****" of a shifter. So I might do the MOMO short thow swap out.. Maybe that will satisfy my desire to shift a bit.
Why does that just sound funny?
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Originally Posted by MR.OKKKK
just get what you want.... i got a AT.. people ask my why i got a auto.. and i said because i wanted to... lol.... just because its a auto dont mean you cant fix its performance... you can add a Turbo on a auto.. etc... but of course people who drives manual will say get a manual.. people who drives a AT will tell u the same.. best thing is go test drive both and get what suits you...
No one can really answer what it best for you. On the Z MT or AT is a personal preference. If you're worried about performance on the Z, both the MT and AT are about equal. Just go test drive both and choose which you like better.
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Originally Posted by slackjaw
Wonder if I can get the Enzo (or any other Ferrari) w/ an automatic?? C'mon, no sports car should be auto-trans. This shouldn't even a consideration. My 2 cents.
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Originally Posted by Dissident
First off, SMG =/= "automatic"; no torque converter.
BTW Here's a link to a BMW Coporate Manual they give to their dealerships. It's very good reading for those interested in the history and operation of the SMG transmission. In the document, they call the SMG an "all-automatic gearbox". BMW themselves call the SMG an automatic transmission. When BMW calls the SMG a standard manual, then I will call it a standard manual, also.
http://www.m3smg.com/files/smgmanual.pdf
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I have an AT and it sucks on the dragstrip. However, most people that use the power on the street to flex some muscle usually don't burn out in 1st gear. What I mean is that when I race someone off the light I wont burn out or launch all crazy to get the best possible launch. My AT from a roll beats most MT Z's due to the quick shift response from the AT. I realize that the average MT Z owner CANNOT shift his/her car as quick as the AT. Don't get me wrong, I would of loved to have a MT but have what I have. To each his own.