looks like JUN hates us, bummer.
Hmmm that seems kinda odd that Mr. Koyama would say something like that. Oh hell they are working on my uncle's 350z now in Japan but then again he dropped over 40K on it including converting the car over to AWD. I guess money talks huh?
well, reading this guy's post of him implying that someone else doesn't know what they are talking about, and for the record i do not know much but i do know enough to school you on your post, since it feel like you implying that you know more than the z1 guy when you obviously don't, wonder why he ignored your post...
. how are you comparing a Z to a 911t? it weighs 2-300 more pounds but brings ~200 more hp, awd, twinturbo sytem. i think all the weight can be appreciated given its contribution to performance. im no guru on the 911t so the list of equipment that added to the weight im sure will go on, of course things dealing with performance.... that motorized wing im sure just isn't for show. All sub 5sec cars 'super care status'? LMFAO 
, i've never seen anyone call those two rally cars 'super cars'. bottom line is did nissan comprimise performance purely for cost? then ask the same about a 911. theres a reason why the 911 costs 4-5 times as much. you are comparing apples to monkeys. imho, a true sports car should drive like a go-cart.
And the thing about the 360 and ps2... you obviously don't understand the gaming industry. first off, many popular japanese game developers have contracts with sony or just don't want to make games for MS, meaning not many if any popular japanese games and games of certain genres... xbox or xbox360 i've yet to see a good rpg. Second, the games that MS offers aren't really geared towards the Japanese, they probably consider football as rugby, John Madden? who's that? Need for SPeed Underground type games? thats a slap in the face, its sad what F&F did to the US tuning market and image... ricers. Third, PS3... ever heard of that? Fourth, they have their own opinions and preferences, and its their money... how pompous of you to ridicule others over not buying an xbox. issues i say
. how are you comparing a Z to a 911t? it weighs 2-300 more pounds but brings ~200 more hp, awd, twinturbo sytem. i think all the weight can be appreciated given its contribution to performance. im no guru on the 911t so the list of equipment that added to the weight im sure will go on, of course things dealing with performance.... that motorized wing im sure just isn't for show. All sub 5sec cars 'super care status'? LMFAO , i've never seen anyone call those two rally cars 'super cars'. bottom line is did nissan comprimise performance purely for cost? then ask the same about a 911. theres a reason why the 911 costs 4-5 times as much. you are comparing apples to monkeys. imho, a true sports car should drive like a go-cart.And the thing about the 360 and ps2... you obviously don't understand the gaming industry. first off, many popular japanese game developers have contracts with sony or just don't want to make games for MS, meaning not many if any popular japanese games and games of certain genres... xbox or xbox360 i've yet to see a good rpg. Second, the games that MS offers aren't really geared towards the Japanese, they probably consider football as rugby, John Madden? who's that? Need for SPeed Underground type games? thats a slap in the face, its sad what F&F did to the US tuning market and image... ricers. Third, PS3... ever heard of that? Fourth, they have their own opinions and preferences, and its their money... how pompous of you to ridicule others over not buying an xbox. issues i say
Originally Posted by 03performz
You SEEM to know what you're talking about but you don't like most people on here. I'm so tired of hearing the complaints about the weight of the Z. 3200lbs. makes it not a sports car. Well then I guess the Porsche 911 turbo definitely isn't a sports car weighing in at 3500lbs. The weight/hp ratio is fine for a sports car. 0-60 in 5.3 as long as you don't have the AT trans. and 300lbs. of stereo A/V equip. in your car. Anything sub 5sec. is entering super car status. If weight makes a car a sports car maybe we should all drive go-carts around.
The Japanese have NO SPACE. Space is paramount over performance, TIME stated that's one of the reasons why they're all playing the PS2 while the XBox360 is FAR superior.
The Japanese have NO SPACE. Space is paramount over performance, TIME stated that's one of the reasons why they're all playing the PS2 while the XBox360 is FAR superior.
im pretty sure the sentiment was taken out of context, and i can understand where he is coming from though. s2k is comparable to the price range of our cars, and even though its a roadster, it feels alot sportier then the Z, i chose the Z cause it looks better to me and i didn't want another roadster being a former owner of an mr-s with 2zz swap 
Originally Posted by HybridPerfSales
Hmmm that seems kinda odd that Mr. Koyama would say something like that. Oh hell they are working on my uncle's 350z now in Japan but then again he dropped over 40K on it including converting the car over to AWD. I guess money talks huh?
in japan, the s2000/nsx is a true sports car. lightweight and handles like a dream. twisties is their life thus my everything has to be lightweight. In america, hp is everything, we live in two different worlds
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Ok so according to cuba and his comrades, unless your driving a go-kart your just driving a secretaries car, 
The answer to what is a sports car, my conclusion is it will never be answered as the opinions on the subject vary to greatly.... bottom line, enjoy what you drive and don't worry about what everyone else thinks...
OT: you should really try Forza Racing before slammin the xbox, the game has better physics then GT, even couple car magazines gave it the nod over GT and almost all gaming magazines did to... The game is pretty awesome.
As far as the PlayStation 3 goes, I have a gut feeling its going to bomb, not many are going to want to or be able to afford to spend $600 on a gamming system and with the games coming out on blue-ray discs there probably going to cost $70-$80 a game.. Anytime Sony tries to force a priporitory system on people it usally backfires on them, I think blue-ray might end up being another example of this.
The answer to what is a sports car, my conclusion is it will never be answered as the opinions on the subject vary to greatly.... bottom line, enjoy what you drive and don't worry about what everyone else thinks...
OT: you should really try Forza Racing before slammin the xbox, the game has better physics then GT, even couple car magazines gave it the nod over GT and almost all gaming magazines did to... The game is pretty awesome.
As far as the PlayStation 3 goes, I have a gut feeling its going to bomb, not many are going to want to or be able to afford to spend $600 on a gamming system and with the games coming out on blue-ray discs there probably going to cost $70-$80 a game.. Anytime Sony tries to force a priporitory system on people it usally backfires on them, I think blue-ray might end up being another example of this.
Originally Posted by 35oZephyR
On the positive side, there was an article on the Z in Modified Mag "Tuner Car of the year" issue where Ben Schaffer addresses the changing sentiment on this platform in Japan:
"Attitudes have changed, technology and tuning has advanced, and the Z33 which used to be a safe bet for tuners now represents not only a large market, but also a competitive platform for racing."
"After talking with various Japanese tuners in January, every one seemingly shared a common focus on VQ engine tuning for 2006."
"The fan base in Japan is doing their role to support the tuners in their quest for faster Z's...News Publishing Japan released the first ever issue of Z magazine, focusing exclusively on the Z33 chasis."
-Modified M. July 06
Maybe this new focus is pushing JUN to address some issues they've already come across. Sort of the "yes we know" and the "Been there done that" attitude since they were one of the first tuners to heavily mod the Z33 (Streamline Option Z). It's a way to set them apart from the new bandwagon of Z-tuners.
"Attitudes have changed, technology and tuning has advanced, and the Z33 which used to be a safe bet for tuners now represents not only a large market, but also a competitive platform for racing."
"After talking with various Japanese tuners in January, every one seemingly shared a common focus on VQ engine tuning for 2006."
"The fan base in Japan is doing their role to support the tuners in their quest for faster Z's...News Publishing Japan released the first ever issue of Z magazine, focusing exclusively on the Z33 chasis."
-Modified M. July 06
Maybe this new focus is pushing JUN to address some issues they've already come across. Sort of the "yes we know" and the "Been there done that" attitude since they were one of the first tuners to heavily mod the Z33 (Streamline Option Z). It's a way to set them apart from the new bandwagon of Z-tuners.
I read this and I agree with them completely. They voted the 350z as tuner car of the year. Over the EVO and STI. And that surprised me just as much as anyone because they featured more evos than I even knew existed in this country in Modified over the past year or two.
My Z is a sports car, I don't know about anyone elses. Just because JUN's owner/founder doesn't think so doesn't bother me, the guy is a rich old eccentric japanese man. Which means he's stubborn. He can tell me the Z isn't a sports car until he's blue in the face and his daugher is done shaking hands with my doogan, but I still won't listen
lol, i do consider the Z a sports car but it could be sportier, and i do agree that it will be hard for bluray to dominate the video market, but as far as the ps3 and bluray bombing as a game console i don't think that will happen
Originally Posted by Built2shredZ
Ok so according to cuba and his comrades, unless your driving a go-kart your just driving a secretaries car,
The answer to what is a sports car, my conclusion is it will never be answered as the opinions on the subject vary to greatly.... bottom line, enjoy what you drive and don't worry about what everyone else thinks...
OT: you should really try Forza Racing before slammin the xbox, the game has better physics then GT, even couple car magazines gave it the nod over GT and almost all gaming magazines did to... The game is pretty awesome.
As far as the PlayStation 3 goes, I have a gut feeling its going to bomb, not many are going to want to or be able to afford to spend $600 on a gamming system and with the games coming out on blue-ray discs there probably going to cost $70-$80 a game.. Anytime Sony tries to force a priporitory system on people it usally backfires on them, I think blue-ray might end up being another example of this.
The answer to what is a sports car, my conclusion is it will never be answered as the opinions on the subject vary to greatly.... bottom line, enjoy what you drive and don't worry about what everyone else thinks...
OT: you should really try Forza Racing before slammin the xbox, the game has better physics then GT, even couple car magazines gave it the nod over GT and almost all gaming magazines did to... The game is pretty awesome.
As far as the PlayStation 3 goes, I have a gut feeling its going to bomb, not many are going to want to or be able to afford to spend $600 on a gamming system and with the games coming out on blue-ray discs there probably going to cost $70-$80 a game.. Anytime Sony tries to force a priporitory system on people it usally backfires on them, I think blue-ray might end up being another example of this.
This is MY belief, and I think JUN is saying the same thing:
"The Z is a sporty car (or sportscar), however it's bodywork exudes more agility than it really has under the sheet metal...due to weight and chasis design."
That's it!!
They don't HATE the Z...why would they hate a car that is taking the Japanese aftermarket by storm?? What good would it be to sincerely criticize one of the platforms they work on. It's just an opinion, and it's pretty valid.
I mean, wtf do you want JUN to say???
"The Z has the best JDM sportscar chasis built to date!"!??
Yeah right ...shared with a minivan and an SUV? *** that... if it wasn't for these compromises some of us wouldn't even be able to afford this car. It needs a little tweaking to be a big dog, and that's that.
"The Z is a sporty car (or sportscar), however it's bodywork exudes more agility than it really has under the sheet metal...due to weight and chasis design."
That's it!!
They don't HATE the Z...why would they hate a car that is taking the Japanese aftermarket by storm?? What good would it be to sincerely criticize one of the platforms they work on. It's just an opinion, and it's pretty valid.
I mean, wtf do you want JUN to say???
"The Z has the best JDM sportscar chasis built to date!"!??
Yeah right ...shared with a minivan and an SUV? *** that... if it wasn't for these compromises some of us wouldn't even be able to afford this car. It needs a little tweaking to be a big dog, and that's that.
Agree. I seem to recall the Boxter started its life in similar fashion. Very popular and with a lot of criticism. After years of them being on the streets, they are being seen as good cars and not flaws as previously thought. The Z will have a similar fate, i suppose.
Originally Posted by streetracer
Agree. I seem to recall the Boxter started its life in similar fashion. Very popular and with a lot of criticism. After years of them being on the streets, they are being seen as good cars and not flaws as previously thought. The Z will have a similar fate, i suppose.
Sorry to bring this back from the dead.
I haven't read this whole thread but you guys also missed a fact that JUN is uber frustrated with their Stream Z33 after being rebuilt more than 3 times now due to accidents...
I haven't read this whole thread but you guys also missed a fact that JUN is uber frustrated with their Stream Z33 after being rebuilt more than 3 times now due to accidents...
^^^ but wouldn't that be indirected frustration considering the tires blew on one of the runs.
It's probably safe to say that they spent close to half a mil. on their Z projects. That's alot of dedication to a platform we assume they 'don't care for'.
It's probably safe to say that they spent close to half a mil. on their Z projects. That's alot of dedication to a platform we assume they 'don't care for'.
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Originally Posted by plumpzz
i've driven quite a few cars. Jun is big w/ supras, and they're far from feeling 'sporty'. Thats a bit more grand touring than the Z, weighs the same and its only advantage is that it has stock turbo and a closed deck inline 6 engine design. They probably don't have the money to invest into the Z because the turbo market is still weak. Around now it'll wake up since used Z's will be more common.
Also, didn't they have a 350z w/ a VQ30DET swap in the Z for a top speed run? They failed. Its probalby rebutle for money wasted.
Also, didn't they have a 350z w/ a VQ30DET swap in the Z for a top speed run? They failed. Its probalby rebutle for money wasted.
The last attempt just finished and they were finally successful in breaking the high speed record in the unlimited class.
All this can be seen if u buy all those new Option video's 
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I think near the high end of the weight class of the z (06 lux models and roadsters) you do lose alot of the sports car feel but you have to look at the base 03-05 (~3200lbs) to fairly evaluate its sports car credentials. You would have to be simply hating on the z to not accept it as a sports car in the base form. Sure there are some compromises, I paid 28k for mine new.
It's a great sports car though.
It's a great sports car though.
Originally Posted by 35oZephyR
^^^ but wouldn't that be indirected frustration considering the tires blew on one of the runs.
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