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07-15-2002, 12:47 AM
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350Z weight
For those of you who complained about 350Z weight, I just found out the new NSX & NSX-T have a curb weight of 3164 & 3208lbs. The NSX "only" has 290hp, this puts the 350Z incredibly close to NSX power-to-weight ratio. Plus the Z will have 50lb-ft more torque, I think Z will not be far off from NSX in terms of acceleration.
07-15-2002, 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by VQracer
It does the quarter in 13.2 and 0-60 in 4.8 seconds
That's what you get for paying $88,000.00 (that's about three 350Z's
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We pay under $40,000.00 and get 14.1 and 0-60 in 5.4 seconds.
With a few mods we will be way past 13.2 and 0-60 in 4.8. With lots of money left to spare.
Victor
It does the quarter in 13.2 and 0-60 in 4.8 seconds
That's what you get for paying $88,000.00 (that's about three 350Z's
)We pay under $40,000.00 and get 14.1 and 0-60 in 5.4 seconds.
With a few mods we will be way past 13.2 and 0-60 in 4.8. With lots of money left to spare.
Victor
I love the NSX but a few years back I drove one and my head was touching the roof. Thad did it for me. I am 6'2" but I don't consider that to be in the too tall catigory. I think cars should accomidate real people.
I think the NSX has been putting on some weight like a lot of us in our middle age. The targa has forced some extra reinforcement that is one good reason not to have a targa on the Z could imagine having another 100 pounds on it? Although it would be nice.
But I love that 13.2 and 4.8 time. I think it will be quite easy to get a 4.8, but that 13.2 will take some extra doing.
07-15-2002, 10:35 AM
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Seriously who is honda trying to fool with the nsx, $90,000???BAHhahahHAHA!!!!! If I drove an nsx (would never ever happen) and someone asked me how much i paid I'd say $35-40K cause if I said $90K they'd have a really good laugh.
Honda should stick to their cookie-cutter civics and accords and leave the sports car business to the big boys.
Honda should stick to their cookie-cutter civics and accords and leave the sports car business to the big boys.
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07-15-2002, 02:32 PM
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I really wanted an NSX and was thinking about shelling out close to $35k for an old one with lots of miles on it. When I heard about the 350Z and saw I could get similar performance for less money in a NEW car, that was it for me!
But I still don't get why the NSX is so damn quick when on paper the stats are not that extreme. Gearing? Traction? Aerodynamics? Chassis and driveline stiffness/efficiency? Underrated horsepower? All of the above?
But I still don't get why the NSX is so damn quick when on paper the stats are not that extreme. Gearing? Traction? Aerodynamics? Chassis and driveline stiffness/efficiency? Underrated horsepower? All of the above?
07-15-2002, 05:42 PM
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The $90K tag is a bit extreme fr this car because it has no improved with the times. 12 years ago the NSX was probably running close to the ferrari 348/355 at half the price. Today it is still half the price of the 360 modena, but is down 290 vs 390 HP. Still I would take a NSX over a 911 if I could fit in it, but the price should be like $65K
07-15-2002, 07:00 PM
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350Z is not even close to the NSX
Only people who have driven in the NSX-T will know why it is such a nice car. This car has been around a very long time and it still turns heads. I ordered the 350Z as well, but it will never touch the NSX. The Z is not a bad car, but in a couple of years, the 350Z will just be another sports car on the road. Everytime I drive the NSX around Dallas, countless number of people still stare at it. The Z will never be able to compare to the NSX.
07-15-2002, 07:11 PM
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I'm not doubting that the NSX is a wonderful car. I think they are beautiful and well designed. The performance is also great on paper and probably in real life too (I wouldn't know).
You are right that the 350Z won't touch the NSX in uniqueness but how does that really have anything to do with sports car. They are for sport, not turning heads. I saw a 70's model AMC station wagon with 4WD the other night in a parking lot. I thought that was pretty unique and it caught more of my attention than the two M3's in the same lot (E36 and E46).
You are right that the 350Z won't touch the NSX in uniqueness but how does that really have anything to do with sports car. They are for sport, not turning heads. I saw a 70's model AMC station wagon with 4WD the other night in a parking lot. I thought that was pretty unique and it caught more of my attention than the two M3's in the same lot (E36 and E46).
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It amazes me that the 350z isn't even out yet and people are kissing its *** like its god's gift to automobiles. People can quotes stats till they are blue in the face but there are numerous other factors that cannot be easily compared. Cars are not only what their 0-60 and quarter mile times say there are. Had anyone ever driven an NSX or a Ferrari they would understand why people pay so much money for them.
That asside, I thought this thread was about weight. My question is, how do we shed a few pounds on the new Z. You can't even rip the rear sit out cuz there aren't any. Any ideas?
That asside, I thought this thread was about weight. My question is, how do we shed a few pounds on the new Z. You can't even rip the rear sit out cuz there aren't any. Any ideas?
07-15-2002, 07:38 PM
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If I plan to turn my 350Z into a track car, which I'm not even sure of, I plan to try the following for weight reduction:
remove all the plastic trim and compartments in the rear
disconnect and remove power steering
remove AC
remove sound proofing if present and possibly carpet
remove rear speakers and any amps if present (this may require a new "barebones" system)
remove spare tire
remove any unecessary plastic from engine bay
lightweight seat & remove passenger seat
lightweight wheels
smaller battery (may move to rear)
replace metal inner fenders with lighter material
Some of this stuff can be put back in pretty quickly when needed.
remove all the plastic trim and compartments in the rear
disconnect and remove power steering
remove AC
remove sound proofing if present and possibly carpet
remove rear speakers and any amps if present (this may require a new "barebones" system)
remove spare tire
remove any unecessary plastic from engine bay
lightweight seat & remove passenger seat
lightweight wheels
smaller battery (may move to rear)
replace metal inner fenders with lighter material
Some of this stuff can be put back in pretty quickly when needed.
07-15-2002, 08:01 PM
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I came very close to buying an Alex Zanardi edition NSX a few years back. Many times I wish I would have made the jump but the insurance was a little steep for me at the time and I was afraid I was getting in over my head.
I did though have a chance to take it for a spin in Phoenix though and without a doubt, far and away, it was the finest example of an automobile I had ever driven or been in. I have driven a few Porsches in my time, one being a twin turbo and while the Porsche was amazing and faster, I prefered the feel of the NSX.
I recall when Mario Andretti did a test for R&T and they asked him from all these sports cars which he'd choose. He choose the NSX.
It's not fair to think the 350Z will be in the same class at somewhere around 1/3 the cost. Sure, it'll be close in the corners, but it will not be better. Should someone upgrade their Z so it's faster, it will never hold with the NSX through the corners, and we're not even talking about the interior quality or resale value.
The current R&T has an article about NSX owners and the quality of the NSX and a whooping 93% said they'd own another NSX. 93% were that impressed with the car. I can't think of many car companies that can lay claim to a stat like that with their models.
Can you?
I did though have a chance to take it for a spin in Phoenix though and without a doubt, far and away, it was the finest example of an automobile I had ever driven or been in. I have driven a few Porsches in my time, one being a twin turbo and while the Porsche was amazing and faster, I prefered the feel of the NSX.
I recall when Mario Andretti did a test for R&T and they asked him from all these sports cars which he'd choose. He choose the NSX.
It's not fair to think the 350Z will be in the same class at somewhere around 1/3 the cost. Sure, it'll be close in the corners, but it will not be better. Should someone upgrade their Z so it's faster, it will never hold with the NSX through the corners, and we're not even talking about the interior quality or resale value.
The current R&T has an article about NSX owners and the quality of the NSX and a whooping 93% said they'd own another NSX. 93% were that impressed with the car. I can't think of many car companies that can lay claim to a stat like that with their models.
Can you?
07-15-2002, 08:30 PM
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I drove an NSX and it was a fine car but I couldn't really see $90K for it. Then again it was a used 35K or so car and the automatic transmission seemed to take a little from the experience.
I've owned a 911 that seemed a better car for the money but the darn center console rubbed my leg in just the wrong way and
the minor discomfort seemed to amplify over the months.
This new Z should be a blast in it's own right and I won't really be comparing it to a 911 or NSX . The new Z will be a classic just like the original 240. The 911 and NSX are very good cars but the Z fits my lifestyle and daily needs better.
I've owned a 911 that seemed a better car for the money but the darn center console rubbed my leg in just the wrong way and
the minor discomfort seemed to amplify over the months.
This new Z should be a blast in it's own right and I won't really be comparing it to a 911 or NSX . The new Z will be a classic just like the original 240. The 911 and NSX are very good cars but the Z fits my lifestyle and daily needs better.
07-15-2002, 08:45 PM
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Should someone upgrade their Z so it's faster, it will never hold with the NSX through the corners, and we're not even talking about the interior quality or resale value.
Should someone upgrade their Z so it's faster, it will never hold with the NSX through the corners, and we're not even talking about the interior quality or resale value.
07-15-2002, 08:58 PM
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I've driven the NSX in track conditions (car is very track prepared, race tires, everything) and it is a very controlled, very powerful car on a road course. It has no power under 5500, so you need to keep speeds above 5500 in second gear. But with doing that, the car is amazingly strong for open track racing.
Based on gearing, I can see why it would not do well in autocross, it doesn't really have the torque below 45 mph.
I feel the ZO6 is a better car on a cost/performance ratio. The ZO6 is also much less expensive on parts and service. But the NSX has a very aggresive feel to it that is hard to match.
Not too bad for a luxury car, but it is becoming quite dated in terms of technology. When the new NSX comes out in ???? with a stronger (3.6L V6 350hp?) motor and updated components, I would bet that it moves up a notch, but will likely still have low-end torque issues (which really only affects autocross and drag racers, so whoopidie doo).
Until I've driven the 350Z, I'll reserve judgement. On paper, it sounds like a pig. 300 pounds heaver than the 911 Carrera RWD with otherwise very similar numbers. But at $26,000 to start, it's likely to be a steal on a cost/performance ratio.
As far as zero-60 goes, only stop light racers give a crap about that anyway. It's a stupid measurement, give me lap times at a track I'm familiar with and then we'll talk.
Based on gearing, I can see why it would not do well in autocross, it doesn't really have the torque below 45 mph.
I feel the ZO6 is a better car on a cost/performance ratio. The ZO6 is also much less expensive on parts and service. But the NSX has a very aggresive feel to it that is hard to match.
Not too bad for a luxury car, but it is becoming quite dated in terms of technology. When the new NSX comes out in ???? with a stronger (3.6L V6 350hp?) motor and updated components, I would bet that it moves up a notch, but will likely still have low-end torque issues (which really only affects autocross and drag racers, so whoopidie doo).
Until I've driven the 350Z, I'll reserve judgement. On paper, it sounds like a pig. 300 pounds heaver than the 911 Carrera RWD with otherwise very similar numbers. But at $26,000 to start, it's likely to be a steal on a cost/performance ratio.
As far as zero-60 goes, only stop light racers give a crap about that anyway. It's a stupid measurement, give me lap times at a track I'm familiar with and then we'll talk.
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Originally posted by raceboy
That is why they only sell 200 NSX's a year in the U.S.
That is why they only sell 200 NSX's a year in the U.S.
These people should be arrested for committing such a crime.