Looks Aside... STI or Z?
#81
Originally Posted by Abishop
search please, i see this thread twice a week......
It always starts with some jacka$$ asking should I buy a Z or <Enter car here>.
Who the heck would come to a Z forum and ask such a ridiculous question?
Then the person gets beat up on and goes back to get his buddies to stick up for him from his regular forum.
SRT6 thread was a really great example, but as you said, one a week.
#82
Originally Posted by HighwaySpeed
You're trying to say that...
Nissan took an old, long platform... (Maxima-FWD/Pathfinder-RWD) (These are the same platform, though one is FWD and the other is RWD?)
Made it new and shorter... (350Z-RWD) (Which came out as an '03 model)
Then made it longer? (G35-RWD) (Which came out as an '02 sedan, '03 coupe)
LOL!
(HINT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nissan_platforms)
Nissan took an old, long platform... (Maxima-FWD/Pathfinder-RWD) (These are the same platform, though one is FWD and the other is RWD?)
Made it new and shorter... (350Z-RWD) (Which came out as an '03 model)
Then made it longer? (G35-RWD) (Which came out as an '02 sedan, '03 coupe)
LOL!
(HINT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nissan_platforms)
ALTIMA!!!! And how it utilizes the VQ35 also. VQ35, sound familiar? Yes, your Z is powered by the same exact engine. I'm sure you already knew that though.
Hate on me if I hate the Z, don't hate on me b/c I like the Z and happen to like the STi better.
#83
honestly i was seriously considering getting a Z but i didn't kno much about it. i came on here to get some opinions about the Z vs. one of my Favs the STI. but all i got was just idiotic ranting about how much better the Z is than the sti with no real information to substantiate those claims. i did get some very good information from people who actually "knew" what they were talking about.
The rest were just childish attacks and sarcasm i mean daym grow up guys. i'm sorry if i ranted b4 but all yall were posting was STI bashing with no information. I mean i kno all Z owners don't live in the wharped world where Z is God and everything else is "an economy sedan". Get real some posts were so blatantly ignorant that it is hard to believe some people even knew about either of them.
I mean daym some dude didn't even kno the Impreza ran a 2.5 engine. . n no an STI is not an appropriate business car IT IS A RALLY CAR! just like the Z IS A TRACK CAR! frankly neither is really business appropriate. the G35 is better suited for this than either cars.
SMH but i really do thank the people who actually provided valuable opinions and very classy posts.
The rest were just childish attacks and sarcasm i mean daym grow up guys. i'm sorry if i ranted b4 but all yall were posting was STI bashing with no information. I mean i kno all Z owners don't live in the wharped world where Z is God and everything else is "an economy sedan". Get real some posts were so blatantly ignorant that it is hard to believe some people even knew about either of them.
I mean daym some dude didn't even kno the Impreza ran a 2.5 engine. . n no an STI is not an appropriate business car IT IS A RALLY CAR! just like the Z IS A TRACK CAR! frankly neither is really business appropriate. the G35 is better suited for this than either cars.
SMH but i really do thank the people who actually provided valuable opinions and very classy posts.
#84
Originally Posted by camaro194
I wonder what engine Subaru puts in the STI.... ...(hint: it has 2.5 liters)
It didn't mention the WRX STI in the list you posted for some reason apparently?
#85
Originally Posted by Agnst The Grain
frankly neither is really business appropriate. the G35 is better suited for this than either cars.
Sports cars like the Z happen to be very popular with business professionals.
"Rally" cars that look like a "boy racer" car IMO, not at all.
#86
Originally Posted by hardrock905
Maybe when the engine is turbo'd to get 300hp, the engine isn't so great vs how it runs/performs in N/A form??
It didn't mention the WRX STI in the list you posted for some reason apparently?
It didn't mention the WRX STI in the list you posted for some reason apparently?
Subaru 2.5-liter Turbo — (Forester, Impreza, Saab 9-2X)
You do know that the STI is an Imprezza, dont you?
#87
thats wut i said and they flameed me imagine hoppin out a sti with a suit on it would look stupid hoppin out a z with a suit looks perfect lol. Sti is a good car but i think overall the z is just a better car handdown it gives u a lil of everything in one car. Has nice NA power has great low end power and i mean it i can be in 6th gear at 2200 and punch it and it still moves the looks the on rails handling a lil luxury on the touring model afforable. Sti goes fast launches good cause of its awd handles good doesnt feel have th efeel of a z. Maybe in specs it may handle better then the z they say but i driven both not like i wasint in this guys situation deciding between the two the z feels so agile and feels liek it handles so much bettrer granted the sti is a lil faste ron the track i think. Bottom line its a giant awd civic lol
Last edited by infamous350; 12-21-2006 at 06:30 AM.
#88
Originally Posted by infamous350
thats wut i said and they flameed me imagine hoppin out a sti with a suit on it would look stupid hoppin out a z with a suit looks perfect lol
#91
Originally Posted by hardrock905
Why do some people think the STI is some kind of super car?
The STI does not "crush" the Z, especially from a roll. The STI will peter out on the top end long before the Z as well.
Looks aside, I would still take the Z. For one, I hate turbo lag. Also, RWD is better suited to a sports car as well. RWD is a blast when you get your *** end kicking out, doing burnouts, donuts.
Looks aside, I would consider the STI over the Z only if I had to drive in bad weather conditions often.
The STI does not "crush" the Z, especially from a roll. The STI will peter out on the top end long before the Z as well.
Looks aside, I would still take the Z. For one, I hate turbo lag. Also, RWD is better suited to a sports car as well. RWD is a blast when you get your *** end kicking out, doing burnouts, donuts.
Looks aside, I would consider the STI over the Z only if I had to drive in bad weather conditions often.
I think the STI fairly fugly with the huge scoop and wing, but it is, at least in my experience, a better overall performer than the Z. The Z is more fun because of its looks and RWD, and performs well in its own right, but as I said, if I wanted pure performance, I would go with the STI. Plus, the suede interior is **** on the STI.
#92
Originally Posted by kalima275Z
Educate me then! I'm all for someone to teach me something. Unfortunately though, [that wikipedia link does NOT discredit what I posted.] Read through that entire article. The only mention of the Z is it's relation to the........wait for it......
ALTIMA!!!! And how it utilizes the VQ35 also. VQ35, sound familiar? Yes, your Z is powered by the same exact engine. I'm sure you already knew that though.
Hate on me if I hate the Z, don't hate on me b/c I like the Z and happen to like the STi better. [And if you're saying any car has got factory add-ons, it's the Z. The Z's chassis actually started off as the Maxima/Pathfinder chassis before it became the Z's chassis.]
ALTIMA!!!! And how it utilizes the VQ35 also. VQ35, sound familiar? Yes, your Z is powered by the same exact engine. I'm sure you already knew that though.
Hate on me if I hate the Z, don't hate on me b/c I like the Z and happen to like the STi better. [And if you're saying any car has got factory add-ons, it's the Z. The Z's chassis actually started off as the Maxima/Pathfinder chassis before it became the Z's chassis.]
Mr. STI...
If You Read And Comprehend, you'll note that there are 3 different Nissan "F' platforms!
* Nissan F-Alpha platform:
* 2004 Nissan Titan
* 2004 Nissan Armada
* 2004 Infiniti QX56
* 2005 Nissan Pathfinder
* 2005 Nissan Frontier
* 2005 Nissan Xterra
* Nissan FF-L platform:
* 2002-2006 Nissan Altima
* 2003- Nissan Murano
* 2003- Nissan Teana
* 2004- Nissan Maxima
* 2004- Nissan Quest
* Nissan FM platform:
* Nissan Skyline/Infiniti G35 V35-series
* Nissan Fuga/Infiniti M Y50-series
* Nissan 350Z Z33-series
* Nissan Stagea M35-series
* Infiniti FX SUV
These platforms are different from each other and newer versions are different from the older versions.
Why bring up the engine model? What does the engine model have to do with the different types of Nissan platforms?
Hate on you? I'm no longer 12 years old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nissan_platforms
Last edited by HighwaySpeed; 12-21-2006 at 08:45 AM.
#93
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I also found this in the same portion of the article:
"The Nissan FM platform is a modern FM layout automobile platform. The name is derived from the "front midships" location of the engine, referring to the engine's center of mass being located behind the front axle centerline, shifing weight to the middle of the car, leaving the front suspension less encumbered. The engine is pushed as far back to the firewall as possible, creating a weight distribution that's close to 50:50, as well as enabling engineers to place the front wheels as close to the corners as possible for better handling. This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used as the basis of nearly all of Nissan's rear and all-wheel drive applications since its inception."
Guess I wasn't wrong about the chassis.
BTW, calling me Mr. STi? For what? Did you not read the accolades of the 350Z that I mentioned in my earlier posts. I'm not knocking the Z! It's a great car. I paid $34,000 of my own hard earned money for the very same car. I'm only pointing out that the fanboy mentality allows for some things to be overlooked.
"The Nissan FM platform is a modern FM layout automobile platform. The name is derived from the "front midships" location of the engine, referring to the engine's center of mass being located behind the front axle centerline, shifing weight to the middle of the car, leaving the front suspension less encumbered. The engine is pushed as far back to the firewall as possible, creating a weight distribution that's close to 50:50, as well as enabling engineers to place the front wheels as close to the corners as possible for better handling. This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used as the basis of nearly all of Nissan's rear and all-wheel drive applications since its inception."
Guess I wasn't wrong about the chassis.
BTW, calling me Mr. STi? For what? Did you not read the accolades of the 350Z that I mentioned in my earlier posts. I'm not knocking the Z! It's a great car. I paid $34,000 of my own hard earned money for the very same car. I'm only pointing out that the fanboy mentality allows for some things to be overlooked.
#94
Originally Posted by Z Esq.
This is amusing. I go home and there is a stock Z and an STI with pretty much the only mod being a full through exhaust and an ecu remap, and the STI is faster than the Z be leaps and bounds, yet you are telling me I am wrong? Now maybe if I sprang for an APS turbo kit or a full through exhaust and built internals, the Z would compete with the STI. I love my Z, but the STI is a fantastic automobile. I am not sure why you think turbo lag is an issue - if you actually know how to drive the car, you can avoid it almost completely when you launch the car correctly.
I think the STI fairly fugly with the huge scoop and wing, but it is, at least in my experience, a better overall performer than the Z. The Z is more fun because of its looks and RWD, and performs well in its own right, but as I said, if I wanted pure performance, I would go with the STI. Plus, the suede interior is **** on the STI.
I think the STI fairly fugly with the huge scoop and wing, but it is, at least in my experience, a better overall performer than the Z. The Z is more fun because of its looks and RWD, and performs well in its own right, but as I said, if I wanted pure performance, I would go with the STI. Plus, the suede interior is **** on the STI.
#95
Originally Posted by kalima275Z
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I also found this in the same portion of the article:
"The Nissan FM platform is a modern FM layout automobile platform. The name is derived from the "front midships" location of the engine, referring to the engine's center of mass being located behind the front axle centerline, shifing weight to the middle of the car, leaving the front suspension less encumbered. The engine is pushed as far back to the firewall as possible, creating a weight distribution that's close to 50:50, as well as enabling engineers to place the front wheels as close to the corners as possible for better handling. This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used [as the basis] of nearly all of Nissan's [rear and all-wheel drive] applications since its inception."
Guess I wasn't wrong about the chassis.
"The Nissan FM platform is a modern FM layout automobile platform. The name is derived from the "front midships" location of the engine, referring to the engine's center of mass being located behind the front axle centerline, shifing weight to the middle of the car, leaving the front suspension less encumbered. The engine is pushed as far back to the firewall as possible, creating a weight distribution that's close to 50:50, as well as enabling engineers to place the front wheels as close to the corners as possible for better handling. This platform debuted with the 2001 V35-series Nissan Skyline, and has been used [as the basis] of nearly all of Nissan's [rear and all-wheel drive] applications since its inception."
Guess I wasn't wrong about the chassis.
Yes, a 350Z is a 2 door, RWD: Sentra...Maxima...Altima...I20...I30
#96
Originally Posted by camaro194
Best 2.0 liters to 2.5 liters
Subaru 2.5-liter Turbo — (Forester, Impreza, Saab 9-2X)
You do know that the STI is an Imprezza, dont you?
Subaru 2.5-liter Turbo — (Forester, Impreza, Saab 9-2X)
You do know that the STI is an Imprezza, dont you?
#98
Originally Posted by camaro194
Best 2.0 liters to 2.5 liters
Subaru 2.5-liter Turbo — (Forester, Impreza, Saab 9-2X)
You do know that the STI is an Imprezza, dont you?
Subaru 2.5-liter Turbo — (Forester, Impreza, Saab 9-2X)
You do know that the STI is an Imprezza, dont you?
Originally Posted by hardrock905
Yes I do.
Good! Now explain that to kalima275Z!
#99
Originally Posted by Z Esq.
This is amusing. I go home and there is a stock Z and an STI with pretty much the only mod being a full through exhaust and an ecu remap, and the STI is faster than the Z be leaps and bounds, yet you are telling me I am wrong? Now maybe if I sprang for an APS turbo kit or a full through exhaust and built internals, the Z would compete with the STI. I love my Z, but the STI is a fantastic automobile. I am not sure why you think turbo lag is an issue - if you actually know how to drive the car, you can avoid it almost completely when you launch the car correctly.
I think the STI fairly fugly with the huge scoop and wing, but it is, at least in my experience, a better overall performer than the Z. The Z is more fun because of its looks and RWD, and performs well in its own right, but as I said, if I wanted pure performance, I would go with the STI. Plus, the suede interior is **** on the STI.
I think the STI fairly fugly with the huge scoop and wing, but it is, at least in my experience, a better overall performer than the Z. The Z is more fun because of its looks and RWD, and performs well in its own right, but as I said, if I wanted pure performance, I would go with the STI. Plus, the suede interior is **** on the STI.
Originally Posted by Adibese
I've never lost to an Sti. They're a bit faster off the line, then around equal, then at high speed the Z trounces the Sti. I really don't get the big deal.
So if you were to race an STI from a dig for about 2 or 3 blocks, yes it would probably win over the Z, other than that.....forget about it.
And you sound like a real car enthusiast, salivating over the STI's suede interior, lol. F' the interior on the STI, they need to do something with that exterior that makes the STI look like a grocery gettin family sedan.