I hate the rain..
Originally Posted by Kolia
ouch!
What tires do you have ?
What tires do you have ?
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I am sure you do, so does everyone in this world. Everyone thinks they can drive. I think I could drive too, but then the car still bites me once a while. Regardless, just take it easy and be smart about it. If you get to a point where your car loses control suddenly, you are going too fast anyway.
Drifting doesn't mean crap, most of the so called "drifts" people do are simply a power slide. It's not hard to do. I am sorry.
Drifting doesn't mean crap, most of the so called "drifts" people do are simply a power slide. It's not hard to do. I am sorry.
Originally Posted by budweiser4me
I appreciate your constructive criticism, but I know how to drive my car. I can control my Z very well in most situations and I am decent at drifting so I know how to control slides. My wreck yesterday happened so fast and sliding out on a state highway on accident is much harder to react than sliding out on purpose in a parking lot. Obviously, going up a hill you would give it a little more gas than if you were coasting down a hill, but right when i got to the top of the hill, my tires lost traction and it threw the back end around so fast there wasn't much time to react. I've personally never been in a wreck before and it was somewhat of a shock to me. In that situation my brain wasn't calmly thinking about how to correct the spin. You don't realize until it's happening to you how quickly your life or someone elses could be taken and it is quite a scary feeling. Granted I drive my Z hard sometimes, I know the limits. Driving hard in the rain is just stupid and something I would expect a 16 year old who just got handed a fast car to do. The reason insurance rates are so high on the Z is because either mommy and daddy buy their 15/16 year old one for their first car without giving them time to properly learn how to drive or people act stupid and street race or try to show off to their friends. Obviously I was the one driving the car so I'm not going to try and blame the wreck on someone else, but it isnt like I was speeding or doing anything stupid of which resulted in the wreck. The best drivers in the world have accidents, hints the name.
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Well all I can say is bad luck here. Sounds as though you were headed uphill, gently turning to the right, and applying power to overcome gravity, and keeping your car at a constant speed.
The crest of a hill is where the big-rig diesel trucks tend to reduce power and hit a shift point, and can drop “exhaust grease” on the roadway. When you mix the grease with rain water, the roadway can become very slippery. When your car hits the crest, there is a sudden change in the suspension dynamics, and your car becomes effectively “lighter” in weight. Adding high performance tires with stiff sidewalls and a car with a short wheelbase only makes it worse. If you are in a gentle turn, this combination can create an over-steer situation.
The reason truck drivers reduce power near the crest of a hill is to put some drag on the driving wheels. If you continue applying power near the crest, your rear wheels suddenly have less traction as your “ride-over” the crest. You have even less control if you are in a gentle turn and still applying power to maintain constant speed. If you begin to rotate in this scenario, it can be very difficult to recover. Even if you have time to counter-steer, it is likely that you will over-correct and end up in the same fix, only in the opposite direction.
I really believe that tires can be a major factor here, and that is why I swapped my tires out for something I think keeps me safer in a short wheelbase RWD car.
This was simply an accident due to a set of unfortunate circumstances where things went wrong quickly, and mostly beyond your control. This has happened to the best of us. I’m glad you were not injured (easy to replace a Z, not easy to replace you).
--Spike
The crest of a hill is where the big-rig diesel trucks tend to reduce power and hit a shift point, and can drop “exhaust grease” on the roadway. When you mix the grease with rain water, the roadway can become very slippery. When your car hits the crest, there is a sudden change in the suspension dynamics, and your car becomes effectively “lighter” in weight. Adding high performance tires with stiff sidewalls and a car with a short wheelbase only makes it worse. If you are in a gentle turn, this combination can create an over-steer situation.
The reason truck drivers reduce power near the crest of a hill is to put some drag on the driving wheels. If you continue applying power near the crest, your rear wheels suddenly have less traction as your “ride-over” the crest. You have even less control if you are in a gentle turn and still applying power to maintain constant speed. If you begin to rotate in this scenario, it can be very difficult to recover. Even if you have time to counter-steer, it is likely that you will over-correct and end up in the same fix, only in the opposite direction.
I really believe that tires can be a major factor here, and that is why I swapped my tires out for something I think keeps me safer in a short wheelbase RWD car.
This was simply an accident due to a set of unfortunate circumstances where things went wrong quickly, and mostly beyond your control. This has happened to the best of us. I’m glad you were not injured (easy to replace a Z, not easy to replace you).
--Spike
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Well all I can say is bad luck here. Sounds as though you were headed uphill, gently turning to the right, and applying power to overcome gravity, and keeping your car at a constant speed.
The crest of a hill is where the big-rig diesel trucks tend to reduce power and hit a shift point, and can drop “exhaust grease” on the roadway. When you mix the grease with rain water, the roadway can become very slippery. When your car hits the crest, there is a sudden change in the suspension dynamics, and your car becomes effectively “lighter” in weight. Adding high performance tires with stiff sidewalls and a car with a short wheelbase only makes it worse. If you are in a gentle turn, this combination can create an over-steer situation.
The reason truck drivers reduce power near the crest of a hill is to put some drag on the driving wheels. If you continue applying power near the crest, your rear wheels suddenly have less traction as your “ride-over” the crest. You have even less control if you are in a gentle turn and still applying power to maintain constant speed. If you begin to rotate in this scenario, it can be very difficult to recover. Even if you have time to counter-steer, it is likely that you will over-correct and end up in the same fix, only in the opposite direction.
I really believe that tires can be a major factor here, and that is why I swapped my tires out for something I think keeps me safer in a short wheelbase RWD car.
This was simply an accident due to a set of unfortunate circumstances where things went wrong quickly, and mostly beyond your control. This has happened to the best of us. I’m glad you were not injured (easy to replace a Z, not easy to replace you).
--Spike
The crest of a hill is where the big-rig diesel trucks tend to reduce power and hit a shift point, and can drop “exhaust grease” on the roadway. When you mix the grease with rain water, the roadway can become very slippery. When your car hits the crest, there is a sudden change in the suspension dynamics, and your car becomes effectively “lighter” in weight. Adding high performance tires with stiff sidewalls and a car with a short wheelbase only makes it worse. If you are in a gentle turn, this combination can create an over-steer situation.
The reason truck drivers reduce power near the crest of a hill is to put some drag on the driving wheels. If you continue applying power near the crest, your rear wheels suddenly have less traction as your “ride-over” the crest. You have even less control if you are in a gentle turn and still applying power to maintain constant speed. If you begin to rotate in this scenario, it can be very difficult to recover. Even if you have time to counter-steer, it is likely that you will over-correct and end up in the same fix, only in the opposite direction.
I really believe that tires can be a major factor here, and that is why I swapped my tires out for something I think keeps me safer in a short wheelbase RWD car.
This was simply an accident due to a set of unfortunate circumstances where things went wrong quickly, and mostly beyond your control. This has happened to the best of us. I’m glad you were not injured (easy to replace a Z, not easy to replace you).
--Spike
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