I didn't like flip it, once the front tires hit the dirt, the clipped the grass which turned the car over, it rolled on too its roof, If i was going fast The car would have ended up on the other side of the road since i was taking a right to get on the highway , also the insurance company did not total it, meaning there was NO frame damage

 

Here is a better one.

 

Neat, there's a wiper fluid tank is on the lefthand side. Is that the stock setup ?

 

A) Insurance company deciding not to total doesn't mean there is no frame damage. In fact, people hope that their cars get totaled when they are involved in big accidents because frame damage is often hard to detect and hard to fix. Hence the saying: It'll never drive the same way again.

B) It really doesn't matter if you were going 20 or 120. Cars don't go off the road and roll, flip, whatever unless you fu** up pretty big. I think people here want you to just admit that you screwed up and injured the car. That's why I've said several times "be a man and say I was screwing around and messed up my car." Then move on. Repeat after me: mia culpa.

C) Are you considering selling the Z after it is repaired? This might be a good choice because you do not really know what latent problems there might be with it due to undiscovered damage. It might also be a good choice so you can get something sensible. Have your parents buy you a 3 series, preferably a 318 sedan.

 

Ohh.. that I was never sure about as in how far it can open up.

 

They put it on some lazer machine to check for frame damage and there is none.

 

doesn't look like any frame damage. only things you need to worry about is how well they line up the top, pillar, bumper, and fenders, maybe some rattles, and bent/damaged suspension parts. can't see the damage of the driverside from the pics

 

Are those the infamous Nitto 555 tires?

 

Whether he decided to lie or everything is a blur in his memory (which I would be inclined to believe), now is not the time to step on his nuts. Unless he deliberately intended on totaling his Z he deserves some sympathy right now.

I'm sure everyone criticizing the OP has NEVER done anything stupid or without thinking of the consequences..

OP glad your OK. Thats all that matters

 

All of us have done something stupid. Here is the problems everyone is having with his post:

a) He's young. People are biased against young drivers of Z's probably (and I hate sounding like my jackass insurance agent when I was 16) with good reason. It's a lot of car and the presumption is that a young driver who gets into a single car accident was fooling around. Hell I have almost a decade on the OP and I fool around all the time.

b) Instead of saying "I ****ed up" he said "I was driving reasonably." This kind of accident doesn't happen if you're driving reasonably in 99% of cases, period. Everyone who gets into an accident wants to place blame elsewhere. But when you get down to it, it is better to simply admit your error. If you don't know what you did wrong, chances are you'll repeat it.

c) The car flipped/rolled, whatever. To say that it happened at 20 mph is not plausible. Especially coming from the driver responsible for the accident, and especially when the police issue a reckless driving citation. Is it impossible, no. Is it a very slim chance, yes. So, people think OP is lying to make it look like he wasn't at fault.

d) The last, and probably the biggest is this. From what he said, people have inferred (and he hasn't disputed) that his parents' insurance is going to cover it. So, the fact that he destroyed a Z and will not bear any financial responsibility is irritating. Especially given how hard a lot of people on the board have had to work to be in a position to afford a Z in the first place. Combine this with the fact that he hasn't admitted that he did anything wrong and tried in the original post to frame this as basically bad luck, is why he's getting a lot of angry posts.

Everyone (hopefully) can sympathize with his loss. But there is a right way and a wrong way to deal with stuff like this.

 

Not to jack the thread, but for Joe Asian who said - what's the latest on Pickle? Is he conscious yet? Does he know what happened to him?

Hope he recovers completely. Head/brain injuries are horrible things.

And then I hope he buys a Corolla or something like that, if he's ever capable of driving again anyway!

 

Not true. If he was traveling at a forward velocity of 20 miles per hour and drove across ice covered pavement, he could easily accomplish this feat.

The right way...

The wrong way... Pity, do you want a ?

 

Yes, and if he were traveling at 60, hit the turn and got into a 20 mph lateral slide, he could also do some interesting things.

 

Yeah that's standard, it's for the headlamp washers, it's a legal requirement over here in the UK I believe, anyway NMGB (Nissan Motors Great Britain) always put them onto new cars when they arrive over here.

No, they are Dunlop SP9000's, they were a pretty good tyre until the back decided it wanted to lead instead of follow, what you probably don't realise is that the car is actually facing the opposite direction to the flow of traffic.

In all honesty I would hope that people aren't stupid enough to admit to serious fault on a website that's certainly frequented by your LEO's. We had an incident over here in the UK where a guy admitted to crashing his car and then boasted on his local car website that he was driving well in excess of the local speed limit, wasn't wearing his seatbelt and basically had been a complete dip**** when he crashed his car. What happened in his instance was his local newspaper filed a story, the local police investigated the accident, his boasting on the website and prosecuted him for all of the above offenses, why?? because he admitted them.

The OP has had his accident, he has admitted to what's gone wrong, perhaps it's BS perhaps it's not but please don't tell him to change the story now because that will lead to much more trouble for him.

 

If everything is a blur in his memory, like you believe, then the OP should not state what happened in the accident as fact. Just say I don't know how fast I was going. The OP apparently knows his speed and is not being completely honest about it.
And yes, I have done stupid things. But I can promise you I never lost control of a vehicle at 20mph and ended up on my roof. Please.

 

Uh no...friction (as well as other laws of physics) still apply on ice. Going Straight on ice at 20mph could result in a spin if you can't drive to save your life (which if you are on ice might not be far from the truth). You can still take off on ice and you can still stop on ice especially going straight. If he manage to slide the car on ice it would still lose speed as it was sliding... within 5 ~ 10ft the car would be going less than 10.

Once again this could have been a freak thing...but just doesn't add up.

 

Agreed, there could have been freak circumstances and why, IMO, people should wait for more facts before condemning someone of something besides carelessness.

But, I don't agree with what you say about what would have happened on ice(if it even was involved). There are 2 coeffecients of friction at play even on ice, static and kinetic. The slope plays a big part and all ice is not the same.

I'm still a bit upset about tattle-tale black boxes in our cars.

 

Hehe, you think the black boxes in cars are the same as the old style aviator black boxes? The data recorder in the car is part of the ecu system and the data it logs is easily accessible. They do not need to tear anything apart to download the log thus they can do it any time they want, even when you take it to a mechanics shop for work. Many cars not only record 15-20 second intervals, but they also store such information as top speed, number of time and by how much the red line has been exceeded, and other variations that can point them to invalidate warranty work.

Exactly what the 350z records I do not know, but I am sure it is more than you hope for.

 

i dunno about that cause they covered my trannie on my z and i been t top speed several times and redline i couldnt even tell u how much lol

 

I totally want those headlight sprayer things when I get the nismo kit. Looks stupid fresh (on the half of the bumper that is still alive).