07 350Z vs 07 S2K vs 06 GTO. Opinions.
05-27-2007, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Anytime someone posts something like this has a right to get corrected when they are dead wrong.
"Eats gas? Uh no. It gets the same gas mileage as a Z.
The GTO will beat a Z substantially in the 1/4. High 12s all day long. And for those of you who think it doesn't handle, think again. Sure, the Z handles better, but the GTO is no slouch. Also, the Z can't go 180 mph.
It isn't ugly, its just boring looking IMO.
If you like to mod, GTO > Z by a long shot.
I love how people bash the GTO. That is one hell of a car. Drive one, and see what I mean."
"Eats gas? Uh no. It gets the same gas mileage as a Z.
The GTO will beat a Z substantially in the 1/4. High 12s all day long. And for those of you who think it doesn't handle, think again. Sure, the Z handles better, but the GTO is no slouch. Also, the Z can't go 180 mph.
It isn't ugly, its just boring looking IMO.
If you like to mod, GTO > Z by a long shot.
I love how people bash the GTO. That is one hell of a car. Drive one, and see what I mean."
Please stop giving, the absolute best time under ideal conditions for 1/4 times of the GTO. It is not a 12sec car! People have hit 12's, but it is not the norm. The C6 Z06, is an 11sec car, but people have hit high 10's. Does this make it a 10sec car, no it doesnt. LS1 GTO is a mid to high 13sec car, LS2 is a low 13sec car.
05-27-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Karma_Hunden
SOLO, you are trying to make the Z look like it aint that far back in a straightline run. It really isnt, but it is not close either. The member that got 13.3 on his 07 Z clearly states he was getting 13.7s until he decided to take a rest, take the spare out, play with the tire psi's, and I think he even mentions racing fuel...hell i think he even mentions taking the tools out. Plus, that would be one of the fastest Z times; so comparing best times vs best times, the GTO has 12.88. Thats .42 faster. 13.7-0.42=13.28. Which is exactly the average time of a 06 GTO. In conclusion, an average 06 GTO does a 13.28, rounded to 13.30, and an average 07 350Z does a 13.70, which is what everyone has being stating so far. What you are trying to prove is that with a better driver etc etc, you can run well against a GTO, nobody has said otherwise, but we are comparing car vs car. Same driver in each, and thats the 1/4 time you get. 13.30 vs 13.70. That is about 2 car lenghts at the end of the 1/4. From a roll on the GTO has more traction and is able to take advantage of full potential fo the engine and is quite faster from a roll. If a GTO has just one bit of driver error, the Z can take it, same at the twisties...if the Z loses traction and drifts a bit, the GTO might get a closer time or a faster time in that lap...point is? driver mod is important. But once again, this is a car vs car comparison. From a roll though...you can granny shift your way to victory after 3rd on the GTO, it pulls that hard, I **** you not.
The extra weight of the GTO is due to its size and the engine, which ironically is what moves the car...so technically, a v8 weights more, but it's also putting more power down, so you gotta realize, that weigh it being somewhat compensated.
Nobody is arguing that the GTO can almost keep up with the Z on the twisties, its jsut a fact that the Z is faster. Now some of you need to understand that the GTO is faster on the straightline. No point on trying to be all sored and saying "just by a tiny bit"..."not by much"...just shut up and say "yes, its faster." the end. 13.5 vs 13.7 is by a bit.13.3 vs 13.7 is faster. 12.5 vs 13.7 is way faster. see where im going? Now look at the track times on the twisties of both cars and the Z should be (way?) faster. Cant have it all...cant win them all. You'll learn that with experience and time.
The extra weight of the GTO is due to its size and the engine, which ironically is what moves the car...so technically, a v8 weights more, but it's also putting more power down, so you gotta realize, that weigh it being somewhat compensated.
Nobody is arguing that the GTO can almost keep up with the Z on the twisties, its jsut a fact that the Z is faster. Now some of you need to understand that the GTO is faster on the straightline. No point on trying to be all sored and saying "just by a tiny bit"..."not by much"...just shut up and say "yes, its faster." the end. 13.5 vs 13.7 is by a bit.13.3 vs 13.7 is faster. 12.5 vs 13.7 is way faster. see where im going? Now look at the track times on the twisties of both cars and the Z should be (way?) faster. Cant have it all...cant win them all. You'll learn that with experience and time.
It's like this.
0-60 = Neck and Neck
61-110 = GTO walking hard
05-27-2007, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Blk03G35
ET is only half of it. I've seen 05-06 GTO's trap anywhere from 106-108. How many 350Z's N/A do you know that trap that high?
It's like this.
0-60 = Neck and Neck
61-110 = GTO walking hard
It's like this.
0-60 = Neck and Neck
61-110 = GTO walking hard
the 0-60 is the same cuz of bad traction due to too much powah on the GTOs behalf.
05-27-2007, 03:37 PM
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The LS2 is really light btw, for an engine of that displacement. You would be surprised - the lack of DOHC's and such really cuts the fat and just leaves the good displacement goodies.
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05-27-2007, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
The LS2 is really light btw, for an engine of that displacement. You would be surprised - the lack of DOHC's and such really cuts the fat and just leaves the good displacement goodies.
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05-27-2007, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
Not sure about the LS2, but I know the LS1 is lighter than the VQ.
Everyone was crapping on dropping an LSx engine into an E36 (BMW) because it weighed more...blah blah blah. Engine weighed quite a bit less, was lower slung and sat further back.
The car isself is just substantially bigger and has iron suspension arms instead of cast aluminum (or steel) like the Z. All the little 5 and 10 lb items add up.
05-28-2007, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blk03G35
LS1 and LS2 should weigh within a few pounds of each other.
05-28-2007, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
Again, learn power to weight...
I know about power to weight. But your starting with an inferior platform, aswell as a more weight.
05-28-2007, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
The LS2 just has a better head/cam combo to make more top end power (obviously bigger displacement so bottom end is diff. too) but the base block etc. is almost identical.
Isn't the LS2 block based on the LS6 block or is it just an LS6 block with a 4" bore?
05-28-2007, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by turismo
I know about power to weight. But your starting with an inferior platform, aswell as a more weight.
And I will remind you of your weight comment when the GTR goes live...
05-28-2007, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Blk03G35
Isn't the LS2 block based on the LS6 block or is it just an LS6 block with a 4" bore?
I could be wrong, but regardless they are aluminum and weight about the same, close enough to ignore the differences.
05-29-2007, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
With mods any car can hit a high top speed. The Z could hit 180 with a TT kit. 
05-29-2007, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
SOLO-350Z, by chance did you register on the LS2 boards at one time under the screen name of 25psi?
05-29-2007, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
Maybe I've misunderstood, but I thought the LS1, LS2, LS6 blocks were all extremely similar (just different bore for the LS2).
I could be wrong, but regardless they are aluminum and weight about the same, close enough to ignore the differences.
I could be wrong, but regardless they are aluminum and weight about the same, close enough to ignore the differences.
The LS2 is just an LS6 block with even more things revised (crank sensor moved for example) but they are still almost identical and almost all of the parts will bolt right up.
05-29-2007, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Yeah... and I was talking about a bone stock GTO with no speed limiter..how did you get the modded thing ???
The other guys are talking about modded GTOs.
