Folks, C&D, SCC and the rest of the US Car Mags are advertisement media-owned ******. I gave up on them a few years back after seeing the "Turbinator" type ads getting shilled in the back advertisers section.

This thread was from last week and was surprised that very few US-based members read or posted replies to it:

https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-nissan-350z/274614-2007-350z-review.html

 

the way i look at it.....obviously C&D answered their own question looking for the best sports car.
i see new Zs hitting the road everyday whereas RX8s sightings are extremely rare these days.

 

car and driver.

 

How typical. Yes, the Z is the best car in the world...in a Z site.

I do think the Z deserved first place, but it didnt get it. Oh well. It's not the end of the world

You've obviously never driven a Mustang GT. If you're saying those 2 pistons are worthless... think again. The torque in the GT is MUCH stronger than found in the Z/G. It actually made my car feel (G Coupe) as if I were driving a 4-cylinder no torque car afterwards.

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ACTUALLY ive owned a 2000 GT mustang and it was the biggest POS ive ever owned. And its 4.6 V8 made a measly 260hp/300Ftlbs.


So your argument over there 2 pistons are worthless is pretty weak. 2 more pistons for 24 more FT lbs??

Yes they feel more torky, but most of that tork is wasted as to the car cant hook work **** with stock tires. I actually had a 373 gear in mine along with a CAI, those were my ownly mods done to that car, after the gear install it never hooked ever again. I even had aftermarket rims with 285's, it didnt make a bit of difference, spin city. Plus the car just sucked, it had soooooooo many rattles and the doors felt like they were about 2 fall off everytime I closed them.

Not to mention all the things that went wrong before I HAPPILY got rid of it at 79000 miles.

Exploded Plastic Intake Manifold, Antifreeze everywhere, ruined all my pulleys. Ford did not warranty even under warranty!!!!

AC broke twice, entire system had to be replaced.

Motor mounts broke twice, all had to be replaced 2 seperate times.

02 sensor had to be replaced.

2 oil switches had to be replaced twice 20,000 miles apart.

Clutch went at 24,000 miles and was going again right before I got rid of it. Second clutch was a FORD racing clutch.

Varios oil leaks.

Car ran like ****, idle was all over the place, no tune-up helped it. Would stall out at lights in neutral for no reason.

Power drivers seat broke 2 month I had it, was stuck in same position forever.

I would never buy a ford Product ever again. They can keep there **** *** V8's that make **** power to me if u cant drive the car hard without it breaking.

If there was a Nissan V8 in the Z it would be ruler of all.

Even the Cobra Sucks, takes a Supercharger to make the same power that chevys making with a single cam motor.

The Z runs with the Mustang with 2 less pistions, thats a no brainer to me.

 

Well said, my thoughts exactly. C&D also uses this silly "gotta have it" factor in their judging which never really made sense to me.

 

time to buy an RX8

 

Already registered an account on rx8club, since we're all going to be moving there soon.

 

acura doesn't make RSX anymore

RX-8 1st that is such crap

 

Communist and Driver (drunk typing, no redeemable post value)

 

This comparo was a joke. First off they used upgraded models of every car BUT the 350z. Custom Shelby GT? Audi with all its upgrades and the rx8 touring? Why not use the 350z touring edition instead of the the base model? All their comparisons had to do with comfort over track performance anyways. And the reason the 350z lost so many points was because they gave points for a back seat!! The 350z automatically got a 0 for every section dealing with a back seat. If we are comparing sports cars...why have a back seat criteria?

 

+1000

i don't understand why the Z is being compared with other sports coupe...the RSX is a better contender and it would obviosuly be the grand champ.

if the car and driver voted the 350Z as #1 i wouldn't care. i'm just looking at the category they're putting it in which is ridiculous. next thing you know they're comparing a ferrari to a civic si or something...this magazine is FTL. anyways see you all at the RX8 meet/ forum.

 

C'mon guys, this isnt the first time the RX8 is rated above the Z even though the Z wins in the numbers dept. Although 0 points for no rear seat? Lame.

 

ahahahaha

 

Yes, if they included the v6 mustang than the price of the 350z would exceed that of the Mustang by a significant amount especially at this pricepoint. Then someone else would also cry, "how about apples to apples?"

 

Your supposed to compare price to price. If i payed 10 dollars for a v6 that has 300hp and you payed 10 dollars for a v8 that has 1,000 HP obviously im one stupid person. I cant go around and say HEY YOU CANT COMPARE ITS A V6 when in reality it was the price not whats under the hood. If you pay good money you better get something good under the hood.

The v6 mustang is in the same price catagory as most 4 cylinder and some underpar v6's and should be compared to that.

Also my dumb friend she read that magazine and she was like hah the rx8 is better than your Z and she already hates my Z and uses that one stupid article to say its better than my car now. I tryed to explain to her then i gave up and said yeah its better, you go buy one lets race and ill melt your face!

 

If you want LUXURY get a G35..nuff said.

 

wasn't this from a month ago? This has to be a repost. lol. The comparison was completely bogus. Did you guys see that the Z was around 8k less expensive than everything else and still spanked the shelby gt mustang lol!!! Also did you guys see that they gave the audi tons of points for having a fast top gear acceleration from low speeds? It was a freaking automatic, of course it was quick from "top gear" LMAO. Bunch of idiots. They should have thrown in the G35 which would have won because it had everything that was "lacking" in the 350Z in the comparison.

 

Good observation and comments...

I agree.Reading the article, your impression is they didn't really like any of the cars... sort of picking the best out of the worst. I suspect the C&D staff prefers high-end sports cars for this type of comparison (e.g., Porsche, Corvette, etc.), and they don't think much of the intermediately-priced category.

--Spike

 

Good point... Especially when you consider the fact that the Base model is meant for buyers planning to do a build-up. The Base model does offer an inexpensive entry point (and this is obviously a marketing plan), but also provides a car that you add Nismo and aftermarket products. For example, the first thing you do with a Base model is remove the junk ("junk" is a poor descriptive since Nissan's obvious intention is that it should be replaced and you didn't pay hardly anything for the OEM CES) audio equipment and replace this with a good CES. You can also add the performance components you want while keeping the price within reason (comparing a build-up with the cost of a Grand Touring model). If you want to keep the warranty, you can add Nismo stuff. You can set your own time-frame for the build-up fitting your personal budget while enjoying a car that "out-tracked" the others in this C&D comparison. Actually, a staged build-up is fun since you get the impression and enjoyment of a new car with every build-up component(s) you add. This is not something you would do with a fully equipped Audi that has AT.

C&D never mentions this in the comparison (and, I think they should have).
...Good car magazine though.

--Spike