View Poll Results: TCS on/off?
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Do you drive with TCS "ON" or "OFF"
07-18-2007, 09:05 PM
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I expect the poll is a bit skewed as many checking "off" either don't have it(Base) or modifications(mostly wheel sizes) which screws up its function, especially when linked to VDC.
I have to turn mine off to get going on snow and ice(then turn it back on) or when I need to make a quick U-turn on a narrow road.
I have to turn mine off to get going on snow and ice(then turn it back on) or when I need to make a quick U-turn on a narrow road.
07-19-2007, 06:24 AM
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no seriously... i dont like ABS cause it locks up ur wheel.... u cant even step on the brakes... it just locks up.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
plus...tcs and vdc in the snow would only get u stuck and cant move. if u are a good driver u can somewhat do a slow drift and u can turn better. as long as u are focusing on grip on ur front wheel... u can turn better in slippery roads. AND if u have a manual.... and driving straight... but u car start sliding off to the side (too much throttle on the back wheel causing understeer).... just step down on the clutch and it should straighten out the car accordingly to ur front wheel.
my z is my daily driver... i drove across 2 states during the winter in the snow. and practice in a parking lot how to handle snow driving. it really aint that hard, true harder than front wheel car... but ull learn different methods on how to deal with each situation.
BUT!!! i do keep tcs on in snow and rain on the highway..... Z roadster touring dont got VDC... and ABS is like... in every car.
oh and.... alot of you mentioned about saving life.... eh.... i think if u drive like an idiot u'll still crash with tcs/vdc/abs on.... if u are cautious with or w/o technology... u should be safe. tech are there only for help... i find them worthless though.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
plus...tcs and vdc in the snow would only get u stuck and cant move. if u are a good driver u can somewhat do a slow drift and u can turn better. as long as u are focusing on grip on ur front wheel... u can turn better in slippery roads. AND if u have a manual.... and driving straight... but u car start sliding off to the side (too much throttle on the back wheel causing understeer).... just step down on the clutch and it should straighten out the car accordingly to ur front wheel.
my z is my daily driver... i drove across 2 states during the winter in the snow. and practice in a parking lot how to handle snow driving. it really aint that hard, true harder than front wheel car... but ull learn different methods on how to deal with each situation.
BUT!!! i do keep tcs on in snow and rain on the highway..... Z roadster touring dont got VDC... and ABS is like... in every car.
oh and.... alot of you mentioned about saving life.... eh.... i think if u drive like an idiot u'll still crash with tcs/vdc/abs on.... if u are cautious with or w/o technology... u should be safe. tech are there only for help... i find them worthless though.
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07-19-2007, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by lilquazyvietboi
no seriously... i dont like ABS cause it locks up ur wheel.... u cant even step on the brakes... it just locks up.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
plus...tcs and vdc in the snow would only get u stuck and cant move. if u are a good driver u can somewhat do a slow drift and u can turn better. as long as u are focusing on grip on ur front wheel... u can turn better in slippery roads. AND if u have a manual.... and driving straight... but u car start sliding off to the side (too much throttle on the back wheel causing understeer).... just step down on the clutch and it should straighten out the car accordingly to ur front wheel.
my z is my daily driver... i drove across 2 states during the winter in the snow. and practice in a parking lot how to handle snow driving. it really aint that hard, true harder than front wheel car... but ull learn different methods on how to deal with each situation.
BUT!!! i do keep tcs on in snow and rain on the highway..... Z roadster touring dont got VDC... and ABS is like... in every car.
oh and.... alot of you mentioned about saving life.... eh.... i think if u drive like an idiot u'll still crash with tcs/vdc/abs on.... if u are cautious with or w/o technology... u should be safe. tech are there only for help... i find them worthless though.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
plus...tcs and vdc in the snow would only get u stuck and cant move. if u are a good driver u can somewhat do a slow drift and u can turn better. as long as u are focusing on grip on ur front wheel... u can turn better in slippery roads. AND if u have a manual.... and driving straight... but u car start sliding off to the side (too much throttle on the back wheel causing understeer).... just step down on the clutch and it should straighten out the car accordingly to ur front wheel.
my z is my daily driver... i drove across 2 states during the winter in the snow. and practice in a parking lot how to handle snow driving. it really aint that hard, true harder than front wheel car... but ull learn different methods on how to deal with each situation.
BUT!!! i do keep tcs on in snow and rain on the highway..... Z roadster touring dont got VDC... and ABS is like... in every car.
oh and.... alot of you mentioned about saving life.... eh.... i think if u drive like an idiot u'll still crash with tcs/vdc/abs on.... if u are cautious with or w/o technology... u should be safe. tech are there only for help... i find them worthless though.
OMG....what?
ABS pulses the brakes, you know kind of like tapping them multiple times. If your ABS locks up the brakes it's broken....get it checked.
If your rear tires slide out from too much throttle, that's called oversteer not understeer. Pressing in the clutch means coasting and you've just given up throttle control which is one tool you can use to control the car. Why not just let go of the steering wheel and wait to stop?
It appears you use your TCS in rain and snow, that's probably a good idea.
Wow.
07-19-2007, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by lilquazyvietboi
no seriously... i dont like ABS cause it locks up ur wheel.... u cant even step on the brakes... it just locks up.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
plus...tcs and vdc in the snow would only get u stuck and cant move. if u are a good driver u can somewhat do a slow drift and u can turn better. as long as u are focusing on grip on ur front wheel... u can turn better in slippery roads. AND if u have a manual.... and driving straight... but u car start sliding off to the side (too much throttle on the back wheel causing understeer).... just step down on the clutch and it should straighten out the car accordingly to ur front wheel.
my z is my daily driver... i drove across 2 states during the winter in the snow. and practice in a parking lot how to handle snow driving. it really aint that hard, true harder than front wheel car... but ull learn different methods on how to deal with each situation.
BUT!!! i do keep tcs on in snow and rain on the highway..... Z roadster touring dont got VDC... and ABS is like... in every car.
oh and.... alot of you mentioned about saving life.... eh.... i think if u drive like an idiot u'll still crash with tcs/vdc/abs on.... if u are cautious with or w/o technology... u should be safe. tech are there only for help... i find them worthless though.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
plus...tcs and vdc in the snow would only get u stuck and cant move. if u are a good driver u can somewhat do a slow drift and u can turn better. as long as u are focusing on grip on ur front wheel... u can turn better in slippery roads. AND if u have a manual.... and driving straight... but u car start sliding off to the side (too much throttle on the back wheel causing understeer).... just step down on the clutch and it should straighten out the car accordingly to ur front wheel.
my z is my daily driver... i drove across 2 states during the winter in the snow. and practice in a parking lot how to handle snow driving. it really aint that hard, true harder than front wheel car... but ull learn different methods on how to deal with each situation.
BUT!!! i do keep tcs on in snow and rain on the highway..... Z roadster touring dont got VDC... and ABS is like... in every car.
oh and.... alot of you mentioned about saving life.... eh.... i think if u drive like an idiot u'll still crash with tcs/vdc/abs on.... if u are cautious with or w/o technology... u should be safe. tech are there only for help... i find them worthless though.
07-19-2007, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by lilquazyvietboi
no seriously... i dont like ABS cause it locks up ur wheel.... u cant even step on the brakes... it just locks up.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
a better alternative to stopping in slippery road is tapping the brakes multiple times gently.
but... i do admit... abs helps DETECT slippage... but i got a meter in the 350z for that.
iono... just my opinion though.
07-19-2007, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by noir06
OMG....what?
ABS pulses the brakes, you know kind of like tapping them multiple times. If your ABS locks up the brakes it's broken....get it checked.
If your rear tires slide out from too much throttle, that's called oversteer not understeer. Pressing in the clutch means coasting and you've just given up throttle control which is one tool you can use to control the car. Why not just let go of the steering wheel and wait to stop?
It appears you use your TCS in rain and snow, that's probably a good idea.
Wow.
ABS pulses the brakes, you know kind of like tapping them multiple times. If your ABS locks up the brakes it's broken....get it checked.
If your rear tires slide out from too much throttle, that's called oversteer not understeer. Pressing in the clutch means coasting and you've just given up throttle control which is one tool you can use to control the car. Why not just let go of the steering wheel and wait to stop?
It appears you use your TCS in rain and snow, that's probably a good idea.
Wow.
07-20-2007, 06:34 AM
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I was going to flame the guy, but I have very little experience driving on ice so I decided to do a little research on the effectiveness of ABS on slick surfaces which, in his defense, is what he is referencing.
Originally Posted by from Wikipedia
In gravel and deep snow, ABS tends to increase braking distances. On these surfaces, locked wheels dig in and stop the vehicle more quickly. ABS prevents this from occurring. Some ABS calibrations reduce this problem by slowing the cycling time, thus letting the wheels repeatedly briefly lock and unlock. The primary benefit of ABS on such surfaces is to increase the ability of the driver to maintain control of the car rather than go into a skid — though loss of control remains more likely on soft surfaces like gravel or slippery surfaces like snow or ice. On a very slippery surface such as sheet ice or gravel it is possible to lock multiple wheels at once, and this can defeat ABS (which relies on detecting individual wheels skidding). Availability of ABS relieves most drivers from learning threshold braking.
07-20-2007, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 350Zenophile
I was going to flame the guy, but I have very little experience driving on ice so I decided to do a little research on the effectiveness of ABS on slick surfaces which, in his defense, is what he is referencing.
I'm not even sure how you got there from "u cant even step on the brakes .....it just locks up"......
07-20-2007, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kolia
Interestingly enough, he's right about pressing the clutch when sliding on snow/ice. It allows the wheels to "find their speed" and regain traction. It's very efficient and one of the technique thought in defensive ice driving schools.
07-20-2007, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by noir06
Because I know how much time we all spend on gravel, deep snow and sheet ice with our Z's. LOL
Originally Posted by noir06
I'm not even sure how you got there from "u cant even step on the brakes .....it just locks up"......
So, you're welcome.
07-20-2007, 01:24 PM
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I drive with it off most of the time, but love it in the rain. I was going around a sharp corner in the rain at nigh last week (driving faster than i should have been in the rain) and a tree had fallen in the highway blocking my lane. A car was coming my way so I could swerve in the other lane. I slammed on the brakes, the car I meet passed by, then I had to swerve left (on a right turn with at least 100 ft drop off) and turn back right to make it around the corner. The Z never slipped a tire. Call me a ***** if you want for using VDC, but it saved my $35,000 Z. Out of all the cars and trucks i've had never though a rear wheel drive sports car would out do all of them in the rain.
07-21-2007, 09:27 PM
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i usually too lazy to turn it off...plus i forget to too. I always turn if off if i about to race someone. Now that i think about it i hate how if i even make a turn downhill and one wheel is not on the ground it starts f$%king up. Im just going to leave it off.