VDC off=$200 tow truck
09-13-2007, 07:43 PM
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OP, you said the VDC was off when you turned the car back on?!?! VDC is automatically on when the car is started. Secondly, learn how to drive. If you're driving spiritedly, don't shift mid-corner. Driving 101.
edit: FWIW, I believe your story, but I also believe you need to learn how to drive better.
edit: FWIW, I believe your story, but I also believe you need to learn how to drive better.
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09-13-2007, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike100
^^ Probably the most stupid post I've ever seen here or on any Forum. No factual basis and purely guessing with just a little metaphysical added to the mix.
--Spike
--Spike
Fact - if tires have NO traction VDC will not stop the car from spinning, how cant it?
Fact - it was raining - thus the roads were slick.
Fact - If the VDC computer can't react to slip fast enough or stop slip it will fault out - I've seen it do it first hand.
So, there were quite a bit of facts used.
The scenario I created is more believable then the driver accidently hitting the VDC Off button with his knee.
09-13-2007, 08:03 PM
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Wow. I shouldnt have posted even though I drive a 350 and this a Z forum. So Im a bad driver? Never said I was a good one. I havent been in a REAL accident ever and Im 30. So I cant be THAT bad. I freaked out, slid and got a tow. Point of story: VDC works, WELL (IMO) and will be SO careful in the future ESPECIALLY on a wet road. Im just glad I, and the car came away completely unscathed. Just sharing a Z experience fella's....
09-13-2007, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by KPierson
I'm not sure what you are talking about????
Fact - if tires have NO traction VDC will not stop the car from spinning, how cant it?
Fact - it was raining - thus the roads were slick.
Fact - If the VDC computer can't react to slip fast enough or stop slip it will fault out - I've seen it do it first hand.
So, there were quite a bit of facts used.
The scenario I created is more believable then the driver accidently hitting the VDC Off button with his knee.
Fact - if tires have NO traction VDC will not stop the car from spinning, how cant it?
Fact - it was raining - thus the roads were slick.
Fact - If the VDC computer can't react to slip fast enough or stop slip it will fault out - I've seen it do it first hand.
So, there were quite a bit of facts used.
The scenario I created is more believable then the driver accidently hitting the VDC Off button with his knee.
And… your understanding of VDC is incorrect.
--Spike
09-13-2007, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike100
So… your idea is that out of 4 tires, not one single tire had any traction at all? Dream on.
And… your understanding of VDC is incorrect.
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And… your understanding of VDC is incorrect.
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09-13-2007, 08:16 PM
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On a slippery road, if he cut the wheel hard, it is very possible that no tire had ENOUGH traction to have an impact on the car slowing down.
How is my understanding of VDC incorrect?
VDC works by individually braking each tire as necesarry and, if slip is severe enough, cutting throttle. Braking isn't going to do anything for a car with no traction (just like ABS brakes don't help on snow). Cutting the throttle isn't going to reduce momentum.
How is my understanding of VDC incorrect?
VDC works by individually braking each tire as necesarry and, if slip is severe enough, cutting throttle. Braking isn't going to do anything for a car with no traction (just like ABS brakes don't help on snow). Cutting the throttle isn't going to reduce momentum.
09-13-2007, 08:25 PM
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If the car is slipping please tell me how cutting the throttle is going to slow it down?
You've got 3200+lbs of metal traveling ~30mph with no solid grip on anything. Engine RPM/gearing/brakes arn't going to help you at all.
You've got 3200+lbs of metal traveling ~30mph with no solid grip on anything. Engine RPM/gearing/brakes arn't going to help you at all.
09-13-2007, 08:30 PM
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No, that wasn't what I was saying at all. I'm saying that if the slip is bad enough on a wet road that VDC won't save you.
I seriously doubt he ever shut VDC off. I'm guessing that it simply couldn't fix his driving mistake due to a lack of traction caused by the wet roads and high rate of speed.
The bug most likely startled him and he pulled the wheel down. The VDC system can only 'fix' so much error in any one situation. At some point it has to pass its threshold for recovery.
I seriously doubt he ever shut VDC off. I'm guessing that it simply couldn't fix his driving mistake due to a lack of traction caused by the wet roads and high rate of speed.
The bug most likely startled him and he pulled the wheel down. The VDC system can only 'fix' so much error in any one situation. At some point it has to pass its threshold for recovery.
09-13-2007, 08:31 PM
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Wanna see some bugs? Big ones? Come to Florida. Frigging pterodactyl. I dont think it flew in my car, I think it was already there. YUCk!!! Car did feel a bit sluggish. 
09-13-2007, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Firebase99
Wow. I shouldnt have posted even though I drive a 350 and this a Z forum. So Im a bad driver? Never said I was a good one. I havent been in a REAL accident ever and Im 30. So I cant be THAT bad. I freaked out, slid and got a tow. Point of story: VDC works, WELL (IMO) and will be SO careful in the future ESPECIALLY on a wet road. Im just glad I, and the car came away completely unscathed. Just sharing a Z experience fella's....
09-13-2007, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KPierson
No, that wasn't what I was saying at all. I'm saying that if the slip is bad enough on a wet road that VDC won't save you.
I seriously doubt he ever shut VDC off. I'm guessing that it simply couldn't fix his driving mistake due to a lack of traction caused by the wet roads and high rate of speed.
The bug most likely startled him and he pulled the wheel down. The VDC system can only 'fix' so much error in any one situation. At some point it has to pass its threshold for recovery.
I seriously doubt he ever shut VDC off. I'm guessing that it simply couldn't fix his driving mistake due to a lack of traction caused by the wet roads and high rate of speed.
The bug most likely startled him and he pulled the wheel down. The VDC system can only 'fix' so much error in any one situation. At some point it has to pass its threshold for recovery.
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09-13-2007, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Spike100
Gee... I think you finally got it... read back a few posts and you see this is exactly what we were saying.
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I read the entire thread, and I didn't read a single comment about the VDC system not being able to fix his mistake. All I read was a bunch of people telling him it was impossible for his story to be true.
All I was trying to do was give a scenario where his story could be true, and the scenario I give in the above post COULD happen, without him ever shutting VDC off. His only clue that VDC was even off was the fact that the light was on when he RESTARTED the car, something that wouldn't happen since VDC defaults to the 'on' setting unless you have modified the system.
Depressing...
09-13-2007, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tubbs
HAHAHAHAHA!! OOOH yes... the VDC is also known as the SUICIDE button. Once pressed, it turns the car into an uncontrollable spin beast.
