searsptluvr

Hi all,

I just put a $500 non-refundable deposit on an '05 base model Z with 58K miles and salvage title. (btw - Price is $6.8K - someone is sure to be curious). Would REALLY appreciate suggestions on things to check before i plunk down the other $6.3K not later than close of biz on Saturday 1/9/10.

Situation:

1. Carfax shows 2 owners in Calif, mileage checks out. Accident was 11/09.
2. REALLY hoping it's all bolt-on-parts fixes + paint job, for almost all DIY (i'm an average DIY'er, not a skilled mech or body/paint expert)
3. airbags did NOT deploy, which i think is a really good sign re frame integrity
4. The impact bent the internal bumper-beam a little, did crush the crush-part that holds the left side beam to about half its ~5" length. the right side crush part is fine. Front end of frame rails look non-distorted.
5. it looks like the left front wheel was pushed in at the top a few degrees, thus the left front suspension/strut might be bent. I'll go with tools and jack and look closer next day or two.
6. engine started right away, sounded good. stood on brake and tested clutch in 1st, felt strong. (can't test drive it till i go back with tools and work on it for an hour or so).
7. I included an escape clause on deposit if motor not ok.
8. Any suggestions for a mechanic or savvy Z-er who i could hire to drive over with me and check out the motor, etc.? in Portland, Oregon.
9. Anything else I should check on to protect myself ?!?!

TIA! and best wishes to all for the new year,
Leigh
(senior instructor, volunteer mostly with Audi club, some others)

usa_alex

iTrader: (16)

don't buy a car until you see it
i bought a Z with a salvage title(stolen), buying a wrecked one is a guess specially not seeing it, because may have more damage like frame which you won't see in pics
if you want to keep it and you do the work is worthed, if you want to sell it or you have to pay for repairs is NOT worthed (you'll pay more than a clean title one)
and i don't think is a base model because of the side skirts and rear wing
hope this helps
Alex

lgear080

iTrader: (21)

go back and tell them you'll only pay another $5k. pricepoint is funky considering
that you'll ultimately own a salvage title Z. by my math you could have had a
legit titled z w roughly same miles for roughly the same price + repair.

Spike100

That’s not a good buy. Add the price you pay for the car to the necessary repairs, and you are near to the value of the same car in excellent condition. And, this car has a salvage title making it difficult to resell even with the right repairs.

I agree that “non-deployed air bags” is a good indicator you can bring the car back near 100%, but you are obviously faced with some expensive suspension repairs.

Base models have less value except to people who intend to track the car. You might be able to resell this car to someone whose main interest in running the car on the track. Otherwise, I would pass on this car.

--Spike

searsptluvr

Alex - I think that's exactly right. iIf the repair is mostly DIY and find used/discounted parts, it pencils out to a pretty darn good value, with sweat-equity - also since i intend to keep it, not flip it, the salvage title isn't as big an issue, might even turn it into a HPDE track-car at some point. I have indeed seen it in person, and will go wrench on it to unwrap/inspect more closely next day or two.
Leigh

sry110

iTrader: (17)

See if you can get it up on a lift to inspect for frame damage underneath. Also check with your insurance carrier to make sure they will insure a salvage title car.

Overall I agree with lgear080, offer them less money because of the repairs you need to do in order to get it into good condition. If you think you can do all the repairs yourself and plan on running the car into the ground, i.e. not sell it, then I think it's an OK deal. Especially if the $5k is burning a hole in your pocket.

terrasmak

iTrader: (8)

So $6800 for the car and probably another $2k to bring it back to health. You make the call, is it worth it to you.

LeManz33

iTrader: (4)

If you're keeping the car, I think it's a pretty good deal. Knowing salvage cars - the damage is not that bad. If you turn this into a race car then selling won't be a problem, you will be hitting a market or roadracers and auto crossers. Like I said if you ever decide to sell it as a racecar, there won't be too many problems in that market, we don't rally care much about previous small accidents

Guilty1s

iTrader: (12)

There is a reason it was salvaged.... usually cause its not worth it to fix... but 6800 isnt bad from what we can see.

mclovin.too

iTrader: (5)

If no frame damage then I would say it is a fair deal.

mcarther101

iTrader: (8)

$2k? I'd guess at least $3k. The left suspension may need to have the spindle/upper/lower control arms replaced, not to mention buying a new front bumper and fender, then painting them.

$9800 for a base model 2003? Then to top it off it might not have even received all the service that 2003's need (ie replaced/upgraded CD09 transmission, tire feathering issues, etc).

terrasmak

iTrader: (8)

Could easily get up to $3k
Its an 05 , and when you mention tire feathering, we know you don't know what your talking about (simple alignment, all 03 to 08's are subject to it)

kanders2

as you can see in this picture there is also a dent in the rear quarter panel. this is the only 100% non-DIY repair.

how does that factor into your opinion guys?

searsptluvr

Ok, finally, i'm getting a hint of what i'm asking for... which is technical, well-founded, fact-based, z-specific advice, not just general opinions. More detail please... I'm new to z-car ownership, so I'm looking for Z-specific advice.
TIA,
Leigh

DB350

Regarding it being an 05, it shouldn't have as much tire feathering as an 03 (regular alignments should keep it in check), tranny should be ok, but might want to look into the latest revision of it (CD009), can't think of much more right now.. 05's are generally the best of the DE engines, as 06's are known for oil consumption, and 03/4's for tire feathering. Will edit when I can think more

EDIT: You may notice clutch chatter, as it is pretty common in our cars, and when your backing up if you hear a click sounds, its the rear axles not having enough lubrication (TSB)

searsptluvr

also does anyone have access to a CD-image of the Nissan parts database. In the Audi world we have a disk image we pass around on the audi forum called ETKA, that has the entire parts database you can install on your home pc. Way handy for looking up parts better sometimes than the guys at the counter. Very convenient.
Also best source for full maint. manuals?
Leigh

2004Black350z

iTrader: (37)

how much at the end of the day are u willing to spend? Take everything everyone is stating about money add it to cost of vehicle plus idk 3K more just in case and compare it to the cost of a non salvaged 05Z with the same amount of miles

1GR8350Z

iTrader: (1)

I don't like it. That is easily 3k worth of damage and thats if the pics aren't hiding anything. If the asking price was less I would say go for it. The quarter can be mudded up but it will never be perfect and you will never be able to roll it. If it were me since the Nismo sides and rear are already there I would go V2 front. The headlight may be broken some where and may need replaced. That don't enven touch on the suspension. Add this up along with the asking price and I see you having more in it then if you just went and bought one that hasnt been wrecked

Z04

iTrader: (15)

chalk this up as a $500 lesson learned

duro78

iTrader: (6)

the last things u should be worried about is the minor things like feathering. u should of done more research. I would of picked up up a high mileage z that was in good condition b4 this one a swap is easy compared to what u did plus it wont have a salvage title. $500 mistake