epenbecks

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30586109/nissan-z-future-2021/

the wait is almost over guys!

travlee

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Wont happen

rustyschopshop

z1 motorsports actually posted this today. Z1 is saying that it is coming and going to be based on the 370z clubsport that they had part in. Hinting toward the twin turbo 3l that the clubsport had. This pic is just a hint at how it will look

travlee

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Even if they do....it will be over priced, not worth it

jv350z

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I hope they remember that the Z had affordable roots.

MicVelo

Well, at least this rendering looks plausible. Evolutionary versus revolutionary, styling wise. I can live with it. And if its retro they're going for, good choice for the rear quarter window. (Goes right along with the talk about reviving the line of S30 factory parts! Need a new quarter window for that 50 year old S30? Pluck it from the 400Z!)

Doing it with a VR30DDTT makes sense. It's already a pretty proven engine in the Red Sport Infiniti.

Only bad point (from the article) - No manual transmission. Well, if they plug in a clutch actuated sequential (maybe on the Nismo Z35?), I guess I'll deal with that too. It does shift faster than me. Laff....

Maybe I will finally like something made after 2012 after all. Nissan, if you're listening, leave out all the electronic BS (like proximity alerts, e-emergency braking, touch screens and digital readouts). *I* will drive the car, not let the car drive me.

[Awaiting dkmura's comments that'll take the wind out of my sails... hahahahahahaha! ]

dkmura

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LOL- I can't take the winds out of Mic's sails, but I will say that Z35 sketch looks an awful lot like a BMW Z4 M Coupe. Maybe it's true, but that should mean a car show model built for this fall and a preproduction model for next spring. Who knows?

DarkZ03

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Looks more like an alfa romeo, don't like it and if there is no manual it's dead to me anyway.

NiLL

Its just going to be a 370z with maybe Minor chassis updates and a new interior.
vr30 in 300 and 400 hp trim.
Its already proven the JK from the HR/VHR bolts up with just a notch for a sensor needed.
No way the 400HP one is under 45k. Nismo RS Extreme S-tune R-type edition.
Almost willing to bet they dont offer a manual trans on the 400 HP as they dont want to warranty the clutch on a 400 TQ car.

epenbecks

all the cars now are over priced for me

zwei_the_c

Not a fan of the styling, very plausible with the VR30 engine, although it will be overpriced. This car looks "Euro" to me. Honestly, I think a move up would be trading the Z in, for a GT-R.

Reminds me of what happened to the Toyota Supra MK5. Which looks better then the Z35, in black with bronze TE37s. Nissan should do the Silva, S16 ha.

masterjr33

Wish they would make them in the 28K range. this looks like they will aim at 40K+.. ..
ahh well.

MicVelo

While I agree that any new Z-car won't be inexpensive, if you compare the price of ANY new cars, what decently performing and appointed J-iron can compare, price wise, given the potential performance? I know this is purely speculation but look where the "new Z35" might fit in if priced and powered as has been talked about in the press (if any) and what people are speculating here. (TL;DR - skip to last line.)

Starting prices for a small segment of the Japanese sport coupe market (all 2020 model prices except where noted):

2003 350Z Track Model $34,079 with 287bhp (thrown in for age perspective)

2012 370Z Nismo $45,000 with 350bhp (thrown in for age perspective)

Nissan 400Z $47,000 with 400bhp (rumored, unsubstantiated)

Nissan 400Z Nismo $60,000 with 500bhp (rumored, unsubstantiated but is roughly the inflation rate since 2012 with a 20% premium (same as previous Nismo models) just as an exercise. But, comparing to Infiniti Q60 Red Sport 400, I also doubt Nissan would cut their foot off by pricing the Nismo Z that much higher. But, just for sake of argument.

New Supra $49,990. with 335bhp

Lexus LC $92,000 with 470bhp

Lexus RC 300 $41,300 with 241bhp

Lexus RC 350 $44,225 with 311 bhp

Lexus RCF $64,900 with 472bhp

Infiniti Q60 $41,350 with 300bhp

Infiniti Q60 $57,150 with 400bhp

I look at this casually prepared list and still believe that in the grand scheme of this market place (Japanese Grand Touring/Performance oriented coupes), the Z35 in either configuration (and assuming my price speculation is at least close) would still be a bargain. Whether one can afford it or not is irrelevant. To the cash buyer who IS shopping for a car in this class would do well to consider the Z. Especially if one were to factor in the historically much higher priced Euros in this category.

But obviously, this is clearly a "back of a napkin" scrawling of numbers and as David (dkmura) would rightly say, "Hardly enough to build a business case." There is NO consideration for the actual health of this market (including all of the cars I randomly put on the list). And, because this market is fickle (people buying for prestige are still going to buy a "budget" Porsche over a Z car, even a Nismo), price would be only a minor consideration for those buyers.

My only point: The Z car is (would still) be a bargain for the performance enthusiast seeking a great performing, reliable car in the $50-70k price range.




PS Has it come to this? An MBA enabled back of napkin rambling? My parents would be proud. Laff.....

WYZIWYG

I believe I heard somewhere in the neighborhood of $40k? And in this current market/economy IDK if this would be considered overpriced or not for something with twin turbos? Especially since some of us paid around $35K back in the early 2000s if you bought one new.

DarkZ03

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Cars aren't cheap, but I think when Travlee said overpriced it's not the actual price it's the bang for buck. Zs have always been on the pricey side but they didn't have competition, if looking for a sports car numbers matter and if it's a 13sec car in the high 40s the supra and muscle cars will beat it. Any higher and it's going into Corvette territory, nissan has been complaining it doesn't sell, it's because the bang for buck isn't there, other cars are faster and cheaper.

travlee

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you can pick up a 2019 corvette (from kerbeck, a high volume dealership) right now for $46k, which i would do over a new nissan any day

dont get me wrong, i loved my 350z when i had it, but i wouldnt spend that amount of money for a new one (if they even produce it)

dkmura

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The latest thought on Z car retail pricing has been to exploit the market segment above the Miata, BRZ, Genesis coupe, etc. and below the higher end sports cars like the Vette, Boxter/Cayman and Z4. If Nissan looks to continue this trend, the entry level model could be $39,900 with the next mid-market model around $42,900. Who knows what they'd do with a NISMO Z?

It's all speculation, and while C&D has its sources, they've been wrong before. But what the hey, if we don't see a show model before the end of the year, there's no way they'd introduce a new Z before 2022.

MicVelo

No one is wrong here. After all, it is all just forum banter.

As someone who has bought limited production cars NEW and at ridiculous premium prices, I know there's a market for it, however slim - possibly for stupid people with more cents than sense? Laff - but I agree that bang for the buck may be non-existent in the new Z. And honestly, if it's not there, I'll just continue buying and prepping used cars to my taste and needs. (Or really go hog wild and buy a mid-engine Corvette! ) We'll wait and see. The brutal truth is, I hope, not so brutal, and Nissan does something extraordinarily crazy and price 'em like Miatas.

DarkZ03

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Hey the fully loaded RF is like 32k, that should be the base Z and the nismo can be 40k but It HAS to be substantially different, not 17hp.

MicVelo

RF? As in Miata RF? Surely not the Lexus RCF...

The base model Z is $32k or thereabouts.

And a Nismo for $40k? Never happen. Existing Nismo is already $45k. But here's something.... my '12 Nismo had a Mulroney on it for $45,xxx. so the price hasn't changed that much (but that does account for the 20% premium I mentioned earlier.) And the Nismo is a lot more car than a standard Z aside from the seemingly paltry 18bhp. Chassis tuning and stiffness, tires/wheels, functional aero, and minor but noteworthy interior upgrades. Is it worth $12k over the starting Z cost? Probably not. But the point regarding the model differentiation for the Z35 is that the Z35 Nismo is rumored to punch through the air with 500bhp (according to a few unverified but usually reliable sources). Again, we'll see.