MotorAuthority--Nissan 370Z gets 332hp, rev-matched manual transmission 11.11.08
11-11-2008, 09:23 AM
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I keep wondering about these "surprises" they said they have in store. Wouldn't it be interesting to let out the "rumor" of 332HP then in actuality come out with..say 345HP? That 345 would have a much bigger meaning than just saying 345 to begin with. First you kind of disappoint many then cause tremendous excitement when it really comes out with more.
Might create a "rush" to get one in my opinion. But we'll see...
Might create a "rush" to get one in my opinion. But we'll see...
It's the same game of "teasing" give and take if you're good with the ladies... interest, then disinterest, then interest... etc.
It builds excitement in a very primal fashion. It also keeps your competitors guessing as to how potent your car will be...
But logic and business modelling dictates they DON't need more than 330 HP at launch to build excitement... it's a new car and will do well, anyway. They would rather have that extra power in reserve for down the road, to keep the excitement going... so they can play this same game with you in a year about the 2010 Z, with "rumored" increase in power.
11-11-2008, 09:25 AM
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I love it when I'm right...
From my focus group post:
"Engine - confirmed that it would be the 3.7, with 330hp. No 0-60 times were discussed nor curb weights.
Transmission - One thing that kept being brought up was the rev-matching. I thought nothing of it since it is something we have all been hearing for some time now with auto-trans Z's when shifting into manual. They asked what we thought about the following "worlds first rev-matching manual" I will let you guys determine if this is even plausible."
From my focus group post:
"Engine - confirmed that it would be the 3.7, with 330hp. No 0-60 times were discussed nor curb weights.
Transmission - One thing that kept being brought up was the rev-matching. I thought nothing of it since it is something we have all been hearing for some time now with auto-trans Z's when shifting into manual. They asked what we thought about the following "worlds first rev-matching manual" I will let you guys determine if this is even plausible."
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11-11-2008, 09:33 AM
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kinda lame if it only does it when you're on the brakes. I want EVERY shift to be rev matched, though i suppose I COULD just do it myself. Or stop fantasizing about owning 370z, since i'm not gonig to buy one.
11-11-2008, 09:50 AM
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I don't get it. What does "rev matching manual" even mean?
Do you just keep your foot on the gas while you're shifting? Does it have a traditional clutch?
Does anyone understand the technology enough to explain it to a dummy like me?
*edit - nevermind, I just found the whole other thread*
Do you just keep your foot on the gas while you're shifting? Does it have a traditional clutch?
Does anyone understand the technology enough to explain it to a dummy like me?
*edit - nevermind, I just found the whole other thread*
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11-11-2008, 09:55 AM
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Mostly likely it means than when you do a down shift (3-2) the engine will increase the idle speed to match the input shaft speed. This will increase the smoothness of the clutch release.
Think about when you come to a light and shift down to 2nd at 40+ mph. With out a rev match the car lurches forward and engine braking occurs. With rev matching the relase is smooth and no lurch.
Think about when you come to a light and shift down to 2nd at 40+ mph. With out a rev match the car lurches forward and engine braking occurs. With rev matching the relase is smooth and no lurch.
11-11-2008, 09:56 AM
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When gearing down into a lower gear, the engine speed must be higher for any given speed. If you do NOT get the revs up beforehand you'll feel that jerk as the engine actually brakes the car (engine braking but very abrupt). On the track this can really upset the balance of the car especially if you're diving into the apex of a curve.
If you blip the throttle with your heel (heel and toe technique) while braking and shifting into the lower gear you alleviate this abrupt engine breaking and achieve a smoother transition into the lower gear.
They're saying you do not have to heel and toe to accomplish this any longer, you just clutch, brake, and shift...the software detects what speed and what gear you're shifting into and adjusts the engine revs to match it.
Hope this helps.
11-11-2008, 11:09 AM
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Right now, I am waiting for 2 things to determine whether I will get the car or not, bottom line.
1. If there's no "OFF" switch for the manual rev-matching, I WON'T get it.
2. If it's too heavy, I WON'T get it.
I tried the high-res interior shot and still can't make out the button on the right side of the stick, as some of you indicated that is an ON-OFF switch for the rev-matching. Can any of you make it out?
1. If there's no "OFF" switch for the manual rev-matching, I WON'T get it.
2. If it's too heavy, I WON'T get it.
I tried the high-res interior shot and still can't make out the button on the right side of the stick, as some of you indicated that is an ON-OFF switch for the rev-matching. Can any of you make it out?
(He is a official Z hater)
11-11-2008, 11:30 AM
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I guess I'm a little disappointed. I'm not saying 332 is anything to sneeze at..it's ~8% more than the HR I have. Still, with the 370z being marketed as a true "sports" car I would think Nissan would have decided to give it a little more power than a luxury sports car. I hear you, it's lighter... but still.
We'll see tomorrow for sure I suppose, but I was hoping for something closer to 350.
We'll see tomorrow for sure I suppose, but I was hoping for something closer to 350.
it's just that the mega cars from like Audi and **** with 500hp totally skew people's perceptions these days. if the car is fun to drive and is not underpowered, it's still a sports car!I just can't imagine how exactly a manual rev matching would 'work'. guessing it'll be a trigger once the lever slots into the lower gear, cause otherwise it'll be guessing when you clutch in. will it be quick enough for a fast shift? I don't know. seems clunky but what do I know. need videos
and though it is smaller I saw nothing about it being stiffer.
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11-11-2008, 11:56 AM
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remember, the Miata is a true sports car. sports cars aren't about massive power always. it's about the chassis and capability of the car. the Z with 289hp was more than enough car for many people it's just that the mega cars from like Audi and **** with 500hp totally skew people's perceptions these days. if the car is fun to drive and is not underpowered, it's still a sports car!
I just can't imagine how exactly a manual rev matching would 'work'. guessing it'll be a trigger once the lever slots into the lower gear, cause otherwise it'll be guessing when you clutch in. will it be quick enough for a fast shift? I don't know. seems clunky but what do I know. need videos
and though it is smaller I saw nothing about it being stiffer.
it's just that the mega cars from like Audi and **** with 500hp totally skew people's perceptions these days. if the car is fun to drive and is not underpowered, it's still a sports car!I just can't imagine how exactly a manual rev matching would 'work'. guessing it'll be a trigger once the lever slots into the lower gear, cause otherwise it'll be guessing when you clutch in. will it be quick enough for a fast shift? I don't know. seems clunky but what do I know. need videos
and though it is smaller I saw nothing about it being stiffer.
The rev matching manual has to have little sensor before each gear. If you're shifting from 6th to 4th , car has no knowledge of that. There must be a sensor or clip that will tell the car it's going to 4th. This is very interesting. Also, i'd like to know if the transmission is sensitive enough to do very quick down shifts ...
11-11-2008, 12:01 PM
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remember, the Miata is a true sports car. sports cars aren't about massive power always. it's about the chassis and capability of the car. the Z with 289hp was more than enough car for many people it's just that the mega cars from like Audi and **** with 500hp totally skew people's perceptions these days. if the car is fun to drive and is not underpowered, it's still a sports car!
it's just that the mega cars from like Audi and **** with 500hp totally skew people's perceptions these days. if the car is fun to drive and is not underpowered, it's still a sports car!
11-11-2008, 12:05 PM
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yeah, even tuned to lower power levels, so if you wish to unlock it. but it seems some of the turbo cars suffer from temp control problems.
I have always been MORE than happy with the N/A power levels of my 03. I guess I just don't get the need for speed I can't use really or the issues associated with it. I guess my dick is big enough (just keeding with you speed junkies)
I have always been MORE than happy with the N/A power levels of my 03. I guess I just don't get the need for speed I can't use really or the issues associated with it. I guess my dick is big enough
(just keeding with you speed junkies)
11-11-2008, 12:07 PM
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Remember that a manual rev match doesn't begin until the gear is selected and clutch release has begun. So all they would need is to know what gear is selected and speed, both of which are already recorded in the data box. So the software would then match RPM of current speed and gear selected on clutch release, which should only take about 1/10 of a second.
The could even take a short cut and match RPM once the gear is selected and speed is known, but that would mean higher RPM's on in clutch coasting unless the car was in neutral.
The could even take a short cut and match RPM once the gear is selected and speed is known, but that would mean higher RPM's on in clutch coasting unless the car was in neutral.