My Dilemma: 370Z vs. Camaro SS
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From: Okc,Ok
Each to there own if you want a Camaro why ask on a Z board and try to give the Chevy an advantage 0-60 3.8 which you stated was a typo its really a 4.8 or 4.9 3800lbs and 425hp car. It is a nice looking retro car and maybe worth something in the future maybe. But going by its inital numbers its not going to beat the Z's time on nuigetburg track, its too heavy. Maybe with some engine and susupension upgrades. Interior wise the Chevy has improved but it still doesn't beat the 350Zs nor the 370Z better layout impo.
Sounds like you really want a SS Camaro buy it and be happy. But doesn't mean its a better choice over the 370Z.
If you really want a Chevy that out performs the Z-car you have to Go Vette, buy a used C6 Vette face those high maintenance bills, youngster. But you will be looking good.
I'm surprised you haven't got flamed more, maybe because you are a sincer newbie.
Sounds like you really want a SS Camaro buy it and be happy. But doesn't mean its a better choice over the 370Z.
If you really want a Chevy that out performs the Z-car you have to Go Vette, buy a used C6 Vette face those high maintenance bills, youngster. But you will be looking good.
I'm surprised you haven't got flamed more, maybe because you are a sincer newbie.
"We stopped bringing Mustangs on our development rides because they were so far behind us in our rearview mirror," says Al Oppenheiser, GM's North American rear-drive vehicle chief engineer and effectively the new Camaro's father. "It wasn't even worth taking them anymore," he continues, with the faintest of smirks.
You needn't be a Blue Oval booster or a soldier in the General's army to know that them's fightin' words. What's more, Oppenheiser says his team brought along (and kept) the Dodge Charger, Nissan 350Z, and stretch targets like the Infiniti G37.
"We've actually challenged ourselves to go upscale in sticker price and performance, to go after anything that could be called this segment-Mustang, Charger, Challenger. We're shooting for targets a lot higher in terms of sticker price," he says.
You needn't be a Blue Oval booster or a soldier in the General's army to know that them's fightin' words. What's more, Oppenheiser says his team brought along (and kept) the Dodge Charger, Nissan 350Z, and stretch targets like the Infiniti G37.
"We've actually challenged ourselves to go upscale in sticker price and performance, to go after anything that could be called this segment-Mustang, Charger, Challenger. We're shooting for targets a lot higher in terms of sticker price," he says.
you younger guys don't have any argument.
your insurance costs more then older folks. why is that? is there some sort of direct correlation to risk? how do they come up with these numbers? it boggles zee mind!
stats don't lie. you might think you are the almighty young stud that defy's the statistics but everyone else is betting against you. young privledged drivers have this untouchable mentality until they get some scares in them, it takes time to mature and develop better situational awareness.
your insurance costs more then older folks. why is that? is there some sort of direct correlation to risk? how do they come up with these numbers? it boggles zee mind!
stats don't lie. you might think you are the almighty young stud that defy's the statistics but everyone else is betting against you. young privledged drivers have this untouchable mentality until they get some scares in them, it takes time to mature and develop better situational awareness.
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you younger guys don't have any argument.
your insurance costs more then older folks. why is that? is there some sort of direct correlation to risk? how do they come up with these numbers? it boggles zee mind!
stats don't lie. you might think you are the almighty young stud that defy's the statistics but everyone else is betting against you. young privledged drivers have this untouchable mentality until they get some scares in them, it takes time to mature and develop better situational awareness.
your insurance costs more then older folks. why is that? is there some sort of direct correlation to risk? how do they come up with these numbers? it boggles zee mind!
stats don't lie. you might think you are the almighty young stud that defy's the statistics but everyone else is betting against you. young privledged drivers have this untouchable mentality until they get some scares in them, it takes time to mature and develop better situational awareness.
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From: DELAWARE USA
Camaro is very differnt and damn nice
Saw it at SEMA and they hit it right. Gobs of torque and power with 23 mpg!
I like imports buy also own a chevy truck, Their quality is quite good.
I think I would stay away for 1st year though.Also owned 350Z and first to get one. Never found a proper fix for the front tire wear. Spoiled the whole ownership experience.
I like imports buy also own a chevy truck, Their quality is quite good.
I think I would stay away for 1st year though.Also owned 350Z and first to get one. Never found a proper fix for the front tire wear. Spoiled the whole ownership experience.
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you younger guys don't have any argument.
your insurance costs more then older folks. why is that? is there some sort of direct correlation to risk? how do they come up with these numbers? it boggles zee mind!
stats don't lie. you might think you are the almighty young stud that defy's the statistics but everyone else is betting against you. young privledged drivers have this untouchable mentality until they get some scares in them, it takes time to mature and develop better situational awareness.
your insurance costs more then older folks. why is that? is there some sort of direct correlation to risk? how do they come up with these numbers? it boggles zee mind!
stats don't lie. you might think you are the almighty young stud that defy's the statistics but everyone else is betting against you. young privledged drivers have this untouchable mentality until they get some scares in them, it takes time to mature and develop better situational awareness.
The best drivers in the world are many times a fraction of the avg driver in terms age
Age is more a matter of opportunity than an indicator of "experience"
The average 55yr old woman has had the opportunity to gain the "experience" to drive a car at its outer limits but how many of those women do you think could actually hold a candle to an 18yr old karting champ who has maybe had his "drivers license" for a year or two?
The karting champ has honed his skills for years on the edge of adhesion and beond....pushing and learning along the way
WHile older drivers may have had plenty of time to do the same the younger driver is still able to react faster and has pushed himself farther along in vehicle dynamics and car control
The problem in America is a person of legal age has a halfass understanding of car control and is given a license to share the road with the rest of us.
You can see them hogging up the left lane, doing 50 in a 65, pulling out into traffic slowly while taking up two lanes etc....
While they arent "agressive" they are moving road hazards that add to the congestion and accident rate.
Age has diminishing returns and eventually youll have to accept that the "younger" drivers are indeed better. Or as in the case of the man with dementia who lost his license and proceeded to drive anyway...killed a man walking along the sidewalk.
How many 65yr old race drivers are competing these days vs oh say 20-30 yr old drivers?
Maturity comes to us all at different times...while the hordes of teen drivers are probably making lots of mistakes and taking more chances than neccessary they are also hormonal and learning to be adults...the real adults should ensure they understand they seriousness of driving. Unfortunately even the adults are the ones setting the horrible examples....that same drivers you might be touting because of age are the same moms who talk on their cellphones, put their make up on and fight with their childern in the back seat.
If we as Americans came together and raised the driving standards as well as the vehicle standards the roads would be safer for all of us. Something tells me the lowest common denominator will rule and as long as you can use your signal and park you will get a piece of paper that says you can drive a Viper in the rain at high speeds....just what that 80yr old 4' 9" driver needs to show off their "experience" behind the wheel.
Age is just a number.....real experience is what counts...not 30yrs of driving a corolla to the grocery store...
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I have had 3 camaros... 94, 95, and a 99... all 6 speeds. If you are looking for straight up speed then go American. The 95 was heads/cam/nitrous and made over 500whp. The LS1 was cam only and made almost 400whp. The LS3 will make well over 400whp with headers/exhaust/intake, and will hold over 500whp on the stock bottom end with no problem. Faster to start with, and easy to make into a rocket.
With that said, I just got a 08 350z, and couldn't be happier. It handles like a dream, rides quiet, and looks amazing. It's not all that fast, but it's certainly not SLOW.
In three words:
Camaro: old school fast
350/370z: nimble, quick, refined
With that said, I just got a 08 350z, and couldn't be happier. It handles like a dream, rides quiet, and looks amazing. It's not all that fast, but it's certainly not SLOW.
In three words:
Camaro: old school fast
350/370z: nimble, quick, refined
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From: Henderson
Just heard that Chevy is claiming the new Camaro will run 13.2 stock at ~109mph. This is with the automatic tranny and 400hp engine. Read this on the Suby boards where people are starting to get scared that their beloved STI's are falling behind the times. It's speculated that the manual tranny with 426hp will be faster but others are arguing that the auto tranny will have a faster time due to faster shifts. It's also being tossed around that typically mags and actual owners report faster times than the manufacture releases; so with that in mind some are expecting the new Camaro to actually crack 12's pretty easily. Last thing worth mentioning is that this new Camaro is expected to be the best handling Camaro produced and while it probably won't touch the Z's .97-.99 on the skid pad people are estimating a .90-.92.
I guess we'll find out more as mags start testing them in the next month but if these rumors are true about the new Camaro it's going to be one hell of a car for the money compared to the 370z.
I guess we'll find out more as mags start testing them in the next month but if these rumors are true about the new Camaro it's going to be one hell of a car for the money compared to the 370z.
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Currently I am driving a 158hp Scion Xb (AKA the Toaster) so either car would be an incredible improvement. When we got my car the reason I couldn't get a 350Z or something of the sort was because of insurance, so I was stuck with a 4-door, non-sports, less than 200 hp car. My Dad promised me once I graduate and turn 18, next June, then I can get a new car. I am very happy with the Scion, but my fuel-broiling engine that is a heart lusts for more. My top two options are ofcourse the Nissan 370Z and the newest Chevy Camaro SS, both around $30-35k.
Chevy Camaro:
Pros:
422 hp LS3 with Tremec-6060 Transmission from Z06 and Viper.
Incredible Design and fairly nice interior
0-60 mph: 3.8 sec.
Cons:
about 3800lbs
Nissan 370Z:
Pros:
332hp with a 6Sp Manual
about 3100-3200 lbs
Incredible Handling
Cons:
Comparitively low power
more expensive
2-seater
I would like the better performing car all around, and I would like the car to be the best of the two on the Nurburgring because I'm planning to take the car there when I can afford it. Please help me out!!!
Chevy Camaro:
Pros:
422 hp LS3 with Tremec-6060 Transmission from Z06 and Viper.
Incredible Design and fairly nice interior
0-60 mph: 3.8 sec.
Cons:
about 3800lbs
Nissan 370Z:
Pros:
332hp with a 6Sp Manual
about 3100-3200 lbs
Incredible Handling
Cons:
Comparitively low power
more expensive
2-seater
I would like the better performing car all around, and I would like the car to be the best of the two on the Nurburgring because I'm planning to take the car there when I can afford it. Please help me out!!!
everyone is gonna tell you something different and your gonna have to pick for yourself in the end anyways...and if u cant even do that then flip a coin
Young privledged drivers....like say Formula Ford racers? Karting Champions? Hell Formula One drivers...
The best drivers in the world are many times a fraction of the avg driver in terms age
Age is more a matter of opportunity than an indicator of "experience"
The average 55yr old woman has had the opportunity to gain the "experience" to drive a car at its outer limits but how many of those women do you think could actually hold a candle to an 18yr old karting champ who has maybe had his "drivers license" for a year or two?
The karting champ has honed his skills for years on the edge of adhesion and beond....pushing and learning along the way
WHile older drivers may have had plenty of time to do the same the younger driver is still able to react faster and has pushed himself farther along in vehicle dynamics and car control
The problem in America is a person of legal age has a halfass understanding of car control and is given a license to share the road with the rest of us.
You can see them hogging up the left lane, doing 50 in a 65, pulling out into traffic slowly while taking up two lanes etc....
While they arent "agressive" they are moving road hazards that add to the congestion and accident rate.
Age has diminishing returns and eventually youll have to accept that the "younger" drivers are indeed better. Or as in the case of the man with dementia who lost his license and proceeded to drive anyway...killed a man walking along the sidewalk.
How many 65yr old race drivers are competing these days vs oh say 20-30 yr old drivers?
Maturity comes to us all at different times...while the hordes of teen drivers are probably making lots of mistakes and taking more chances than neccessary they are also hormonal and learning to be adults...the real adults should ensure they understand they seriousness of driving. Unfortunately even the adults are the ones setting the horrible examples....that same drivers you might be touting because of age are the same moms who talk on their cellphones, put their make up on and fight with their childern in the back seat.
If we as Americans came together and raised the driving standards as well as the vehicle standards the roads would be safer for all of us. Something tells me the lowest common denominator will rule and as long as you can use your signal and park you will get a piece of paper that says you can drive a Viper in the rain at high speeds....just what that 80yr old 4' 9" driver needs to show off their "experience" behind the wheel.
Age is just a number.....real experience is what counts...not 30yrs of driving a corolla to the grocery store...
The best drivers in the world are many times a fraction of the avg driver in terms age
Age is more a matter of opportunity than an indicator of "experience"
The average 55yr old woman has had the opportunity to gain the "experience" to drive a car at its outer limits but how many of those women do you think could actually hold a candle to an 18yr old karting champ who has maybe had his "drivers license" for a year or two?
The karting champ has honed his skills for years on the edge of adhesion and beond....pushing and learning along the way
WHile older drivers may have had plenty of time to do the same the younger driver is still able to react faster and has pushed himself farther along in vehicle dynamics and car control
The problem in America is a person of legal age has a halfass understanding of car control and is given a license to share the road with the rest of us.
You can see them hogging up the left lane, doing 50 in a 65, pulling out into traffic slowly while taking up two lanes etc....
While they arent "agressive" they are moving road hazards that add to the congestion and accident rate.
Age has diminishing returns and eventually youll have to accept that the "younger" drivers are indeed better. Or as in the case of the man with dementia who lost his license and proceeded to drive anyway...killed a man walking along the sidewalk.
How many 65yr old race drivers are competing these days vs oh say 20-30 yr old drivers?
Maturity comes to us all at different times...while the hordes of teen drivers are probably making lots of mistakes and taking more chances than neccessary they are also hormonal and learning to be adults...the real adults should ensure they understand they seriousness of driving. Unfortunately even the adults are the ones setting the horrible examples....that same drivers you might be touting because of age are the same moms who talk on their cellphones, put their make up on and fight with their childern in the back seat.
If we as Americans came together and raised the driving standards as well as the vehicle standards the roads would be safer for all of us. Something tells me the lowest common denominator will rule and as long as you can use your signal and park you will get a piece of paper that says you can drive a Viper in the rain at high speeds....just what that 80yr old 4' 9" driver needs to show off their "experience" behind the wheel.
Age is just a number.....real experience is what counts...not 30yrs of driving a corolla to the grocery store...
What's all this talk about not being able to handle the power? If you just drive the car normally in the city streets it's fine. Too many people jealous that this young man is about to get an awesome car. I had my G35 Coupe when I was 16 and I never ****ed it up once. I'm 20 now and I drive an Audi S5. I say you get the Nissan 370Z though it's definitely better car IMO.
right... ROFL