My Dilemma: 370Z vs. Camaro SS
Im happy I only had a 100hp civic when I was 18. Man I beat the crap out that car, I took it to the max @ 117mph, with steelies and it was raining too. If I had the Z that time, I wouldve definitely hurt myself or worse.
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0-60 will be 4.4-4.7 on new camaros... and the z does 4.7-4.9
your really buying either car for looks z is more like racing type camaro is more power..
its just if you want backseats alos think of that i drove the 370 and loved it... so get waht looks better in my op
your really buying either car for looks z is more like racing type camaro is more power..
its just if you want backseats alos think of that i drove the 370 and loved it... so get waht looks better in my op
Let's leave behind all the ridiculous opinions expressed her and get back to giving the guy (OP) some decent advice.
My first recommendation is to enroll in the nearest Skip Barber Driving School TODAY. Do not pass GO or collect $200. It will greatly improve your car control skills and help you to wring out every bit of performance your Scion's got. Then, maybe do some local autocrossing with your Scion to see if you even LIKE driving a car at speed. This should teach you that the only place for high speed driving is on the track and NOT on public streets where one mistake can ruin the lives of innocent people.
Only after you are confident in your ability to handle your current car, should you consider upping the ante with a faster car. The driving schools will give you the understanding to FEEL what the car is doing and how to make slight corrections with steering, throttle and brake input to stay out of trouble. Then, when you slip behind the wheel of your next car, you'll have a better understanding of what's going on than most of the bench racers you'll encounter here on this forum.
What's the rush to get either a Z or an SS, anyway? You're 18 with your whole life ahead of you. If you buy a nice car now, you'll end up parking it in the student parking lot at university, subjecting the car to all manner of door dings, fender benders and drunken frat brothers barfing in it. You'll just get even more pissed off. I say keep the Scion for college and let it get thrashed. Save your own money for a nicer car when you graduate from college. Don't make your old man pay for all that. You'll appreciate it more if you earn it yourself. Having completed several driving schools and honed your driving skills, you'll really know what you like and don't like about current cars, so you can make an informed decision.
The 'Ring is the scariest race track on the planet and is not to be taken lightly. I've attached a few links which can be enlightening. Ben Lovejoy's site (nurburgring.org/uk) is especially revealing. On the site, he talks about the many times the track is temporarily closed as another unlucky (read: unskilled) driver is medevac'ed to the nearest hospital. Many don't make it.
Every summer, the BMW club runs a week-long school at the 'Ring. They divide into small groups and teach the nuances of every section of the course. No one is allowed to attend this school unless they've completed AT LEAST three other driving schools. Some people provide their own cars by doing Euro-delivery, but most just rent cars, since rental race cars are readily available there. (It's a serious no-no to rent from Hertz and go racing on the 'Ring.)
You'll still spend around $5k at the BMW school just renting a car. But you'll come away with an education instead of just a costly lesson.
http://www.nuerburgring.de/home/index.html?L=1
http://www.heiser.net/documents/nurburgring/
http://forum.ringersforum.com/
http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/index.html
http://www.ringhaus.com/hotel_en/public/cars.php
So here's what I'd recommend:
1. Enroll in driving schools ASAP.
2. Learn to drive what you've already got.
3. Have your Dad put the money he'd spend on a Z into tuition at a better engineering school instead, then study like hell.
4. Graduate.
5. Get a good job.
6. Save some money.
7. Buy the car you want.
8. Take all the experience you've gained at various driving schools with you to spend a week SAVORING the 'Ring. Bring your Dad with you, since he'd probably have the time of his life.
9. Make memories to last a lifetime. Do this every step of the way and you'll have a life well lived.
10. Don't let anyone crush your dreams. Set goals, but be prepared to make adjustments as you gather more information, gain experience and/or reality sets in.
11. Show this post to your Dad and I'll bet he would agree with me.
Good luck!
zed-er
My first recommendation is to enroll in the nearest Skip Barber Driving School TODAY. Do not pass GO or collect $200. It will greatly improve your car control skills and help you to wring out every bit of performance your Scion's got. Then, maybe do some local autocrossing with your Scion to see if you even LIKE driving a car at speed. This should teach you that the only place for high speed driving is on the track and NOT on public streets where one mistake can ruin the lives of innocent people.
Only after you are confident in your ability to handle your current car, should you consider upping the ante with a faster car. The driving schools will give you the understanding to FEEL what the car is doing and how to make slight corrections with steering, throttle and brake input to stay out of trouble. Then, when you slip behind the wheel of your next car, you'll have a better understanding of what's going on than most of the bench racers you'll encounter here on this forum.
What's the rush to get either a Z or an SS, anyway? You're 18 with your whole life ahead of you. If you buy a nice car now, you'll end up parking it in the student parking lot at university, subjecting the car to all manner of door dings, fender benders and drunken frat brothers barfing in it. You'll just get even more pissed off. I say keep the Scion for college and let it get thrashed. Save your own money for a nicer car when you graduate from college. Don't make your old man pay for all that. You'll appreciate it more if you earn it yourself. Having completed several driving schools and honed your driving skills, you'll really know what you like and don't like about current cars, so you can make an informed decision.
The 'Ring is the scariest race track on the planet and is not to be taken lightly. I've attached a few links which can be enlightening. Ben Lovejoy's site (nurburgring.org/uk) is especially revealing. On the site, he talks about the many times the track is temporarily closed as another unlucky (read: unskilled) driver is medevac'ed to the nearest hospital. Many don't make it.
Every summer, the BMW club runs a week-long school at the 'Ring. They divide into small groups and teach the nuances of every section of the course. No one is allowed to attend this school unless they've completed AT LEAST three other driving schools. Some people provide their own cars by doing Euro-delivery, but most just rent cars, since rental race cars are readily available there. (It's a serious no-no to rent from Hertz and go racing on the 'Ring.)
You'll still spend around $5k at the BMW school just renting a car. But you'll come away with an education instead of just a costly lesson.http://www.nuerburgring.de/home/index.html?L=1
http://www.heiser.net/documents/nurburgring/
http://forum.ringersforum.com/
http://www.nurburgring.org.uk/index.html
http://www.ringhaus.com/hotel_en/public/cars.php
So here's what I'd recommend:
1. Enroll in driving schools ASAP.
2. Learn to drive what you've already got.
3. Have your Dad put the money he'd spend on a Z into tuition at a better engineering school instead, then study like hell.
4. Graduate.
5. Get a good job.
6. Save some money.
7. Buy the car you want.
8. Take all the experience you've gained at various driving schools with you to spend a week SAVORING the 'Ring. Bring your Dad with you, since he'd probably have the time of his life.
9. Make memories to last a lifetime. Do this every step of the way and you'll have a life well lived.
10. Don't let anyone crush your dreams. Set goals, but be prepared to make adjustments as you gather more information, gain experience and/or reality sets in.
11. Show this post to your Dad and I'll bet he would agree with me.
Good luck!
zed-er
+1
Finally, some real advice! Nicely stated.
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WTF are you guys talking about "the ring" for?? You act like he's gunning for a position at Le'mans for bleeps sake, not to mention the "I'm holier than thou, I drive a Z" deal is pretty ghey. It's just a car it shouldn't define who you are aka. andrew350 geezus get a life, grow up man...oh wait your 20...that's right. 
this is the most ridiculous thread ive ever seen...
whoever said Z's will get you laid...this is not a ferrari. Its a Z, but still carries a Nissan badge.
Those comparing the Z motor to the SS motor? 2 valve vs 4 valve, really? What would a 383 CI chevy 4 cam motor put out? honestly, this argument is ridiculous.
When the thread stared, neither cars were out, so reliability? WTF american cars have come a long way. what was Motor trends car of the year last year?
Z = 2 seater, weighs 3300lbs (most of you said 3100?) SS = 4 seater, 3800 lbs, not in the same category as z. fine...put a VQ in the skyline, weights will be more equal
Im interested to see how the camaro will ride, perform, etc...no one knows exaclty. Both are beautiful cars, no doubt. different cars indeed.
Lots of kool aid drinkers in this forum who think the Z is the last word in sports cars...
whoever said Z's will get you laid...this is not a ferrari. Its a Z, but still carries a Nissan badge.
Those comparing the Z motor to the SS motor? 2 valve vs 4 valve, really? What would a 383 CI chevy 4 cam motor put out? honestly, this argument is ridiculous.
When the thread stared, neither cars were out, so reliability? WTF american cars have come a long way. what was Motor trends car of the year last year?
Z = 2 seater, weighs 3300lbs (most of you said 3100?) SS = 4 seater, 3800 lbs, not in the same category as z. fine...put a VQ in the skyline, weights will be more equal
Im interested to see how the camaro will ride, perform, etc...no one knows exaclty. Both are beautiful cars, no doubt. different cars indeed.
Lots of kool aid drinkers in this forum who think the Z is the last word in sports cars...
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From: San Francisco
this is the most ridiculous thread ive ever seen...
whoever said Z's will get you laid...this is not a ferrari. Its a Z, but still carries a Nissan badge.
Those comparing the Z motor to the SS motor? 2 valve vs 4 valve, really? What would a 383 CI chevy 4 cam motor put out? honestly, this argument is ridiculous.
When the thread stared, neither cars were out, so reliability? WTF american cars have come a long way. what was Motor trends car of the year last year?
Z = 2 seater, weighs 3300lbs (most of you said 3100?) SS = 4 seater, 3800 lbs, not in the same category as z. fine...put a VQ in the skyline, weights will be more equal
Im interested to see how the camaro will ride, perform, etc...no one knows exaclty. Both are beautiful cars, no doubt. different cars indeed.
Lots of kool aid drinkers in this forum who think the Z is the last word in sports cars...
whoever said Z's will get you laid...this is not a ferrari. Its a Z, but still carries a Nissan badge.
Those comparing the Z motor to the SS motor? 2 valve vs 4 valve, really? What would a 383 CI chevy 4 cam motor put out? honestly, this argument is ridiculous.
When the thread stared, neither cars were out, so reliability? WTF american cars have come a long way. what was Motor trends car of the year last year?
Z = 2 seater, weighs 3300lbs (most of you said 3100?) SS = 4 seater, 3800 lbs, not in the same category as z. fine...put a VQ in the skyline, weights will be more equal
Im interested to see how the camaro will ride, perform, etc...no one knows exaclty. Both are beautiful cars, no doubt. different cars indeed.
Lots of kool aid drinkers in this forum who think the Z is the last word in sports cars...
But do you really expect Z enthusiasts to care somewhat less of their cars? Go start the same thread on a Chevy or Ford forum and see what kind of discussion you'll get.
Point is.. most (not counting the trolls
)come to this specific forum for info on the 370 period. If they wanted to know more about a vette or genesis etc.. They would go to each cars respective forums or at the very least the other vehicles section.PS: Can't believe this thread is still going on. The OP is probably long gone.
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The GTR is too boxy and ugly, and the C6 interior IS NOT worse than the 350Z. The 370Z interior looks like it might be a lot better, but my C6 is much nicer with better ergonomics than the 350Z which were rattle traps. After two years, my C6 is a solid as the day I bought it. The interior slams on the C6 are pure BS and a tired old stereo type used by those who are stuck in the past. Ragging on GM these days about quality when comparing it to Nissan is hilarious. NIssan is nothing special, and they WISH they could match the new CTS, for example, in quality. I like the new Z, but putting Nissan on a pedestal is a joke. They are the Japanese equivalent of Ford.
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/rev...-corvette-z51/
Here’s what I’ve come to realize. Corvettes are designed by people that have never sat inside a Porsche for people that never will sit inside a Porsche. That’s the only possible explanation for such inattention to detail. The seats are crummy, the shifters covered in crummy leather and there are some extremely low-rent plastics in frighteningly obvious places. Like the fake-aluminum steering wheel inserts. This particular car actually sets a new record for tackiness: fake carbon fiber on top of fake leather. Seriously guys, that sucks. Especially when Holden (who you own) is so fully capable of building world class accommodations. One nice thing? The pedals are in the right place
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I was just trying to make a point to all the people out there that think just because someone is 18 years old doesn't mean they can't handle either one of these cars. If i can drive a Z at 16 and my dad can drive a 900hp plus camaro when he was 17 then I have no doubt that with proper guidance someone couldn't drive a new 370Z or Camaro. I realize it was a little long but I don't need to be flammed either and didn't want to come off sounding naive so i figured i would explain myself as best as i could. Agan, sorry for the long post and i hope you take my advice with some consideration because i too was in the same boat, although i always knew i wanted a z :-)
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Here’s what I’ve come to realize. Corvettes are designed by people that have never sat inside a Porsche for people that never will sit inside a Porsche. That’s the only possible explanation for such inattention to detail. The seats are crummy, the shifters covered in crummy leather and there are some extremely low-rent plastics in frighteningly obvious places. Like the fake-aluminum steering wheel inserts. This particular car actually sets a new record for tackiness: fake carbon fiber on top of fake leather. Seriously guys, that sucks. Especially when Holden (who you own) is so fully capable of building world class accommodations. One nice thing? The pedals are in the right place
Of course no one buys a Corvette for the interior (Chevy just throws that in for free). It’s all about the engine. Let me introduce you to latest in a long line of bitchin’ Chevy small blocks, the mighty LS3. 6.2-liters. 436 hp. 428 lb-ft torque.
The people who buy Corvette aren't caught up on things like interior... I know I personally would rather have shitty interior than fork over more money for a car that doesn't even perform as well. No thanks.[/QUOTE]
x2!!! Im saving up for a c6
x2!!! Im saving up for a c6
