Tires. Z comes with complete **** tires, especially compared to those two cars. I don't know if the Z would win regardless, but equally matched tires would be a much fairer comparison.

 

People are gonna be paying $60k+ out the door for the performance Z... Nismo will be $70k easy.

 

If I was going to spend that money on a car, it wouldn't be Z

 

Exactly. There's people actually trying to defend that price, too. It's ridiculous. Lots of better cars at that price point.

 

After having about 8 Japanese cars and one German car I can say it's not even close. The Supra is German so I'll leave it at that. The base model Z is a disgrace, cloth on the doors and dash, the 350Z had it right, this is just wrong and not worthy of its 40k price tag.
Worth 33k tops, realistically since it's an old platform they should be priced at 30k/40k.

 

Have you been in the Z yet?

 

The new one no, but I've seen enough videos for me to know it's about as cheap feeling as my 350Z was.

 

If all 3 are selling for sticker, I'll take the Mach1 without a second thought. That being said, Mach1's are selling for $20k over sticker, so I wouldn't buy any of them at this point. For what these cost new, I'd get a used F-Type.


If you head over to YT, you'll see my comment on this exact subject. I don't get Nissan's unholy allegiance to Bridgestone. Within months of buying my new 350Z, it had RPF1's with Nitto 555's. Much better.

 

Official color options (w/ interiors) for 2023 Nissan Z in US market

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...s-market.1177/

 

^^^ Well that sucks. You can't get all blue? I wouldn't want a black roof.

 

Rosewood Metallic Nissan Z spotted - first real life look!

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ife-look.1199/

 

Meh.

 

and that chrome strip...gtfo

 

Interestingly (and fortunately), the "chrome strip" isn't chrome and its main purpose is to "break up" the top and bottom of the car (to the eye, a design choice) so the black top doesn't have to "blend" with the blue except at the A-pillar. Personal choice - like or dislike - I guess.

 

Ah, they moved the badge location, lemme adjust my pants.

 

Because it's shriveled up for being fugly?

 

It's actually not a bad-looking car save the huge headlight lenses which are so 20th century. When you have a 50+ year production vehicle the knee-jerk is to make subtle changes with a nod to nostalgia ala
Camaro,, Mustang or Thunderbird and hope folks accept the new look.

Granted they have been consistent with each new release being a little sleeker and a little more power with each iteration. Sure at these volumes this isn't really a money-maker for Nissan, it's definitely not their bread and butter. Then again, folks aren't likely to open their wallets to collect and keep like they might a mid-engine
Vette after a 70 year production run.

It's a solid company with an excellent record of making reliable cars. Personally I'm glad Nissan chose to continue, Mr K would be proud. Will I trade-in my 06 V3 ZR? I think you know.

 

Chrome or no, you still can't get a car in all blue and to make matters worse, there's an extra charge for "two-tone". So if I want blue I have to pay for an option I don't even want. Stupid.

 

John....use Medicare for cataract surgery. Thing is fugly and overpriced

 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...ressions.1223/