Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating...
09-30-2008, 05:40 AM
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Read the article you asshat.
"with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34."
The GT2 is RWD and is faster than the Turbo by 4 seconds and is AWD. RWD faster than AWD in the same platform around the same track. DO you get it now?? Do I need to spell it out more for you?
RWD > AWD on the Nordschleife
Now stop talking already "motormouth"
Good lord, where do these people come from honestly? The internet is full of smart guys.
"with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34."
The GT2 is RWD and is faster than the Turbo by 4 seconds and is AWD. RWD faster than AWD in the same platform around the same track. DO you get it now?? Do I need to spell it out more for you?
RWD > AWD on the Nordschleife
Now stop talking already "motormouth"
Good lord, where do these people come from honestly? The internet is full of smart guys.
09-30-2008, 05:46 AM
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its a false claim 100 percent....they left it open to discussion and didnt get a pro driver of equal abilities to drive the car........this isnt worth the words quoted in whatever paper and no one on this forum should be doubting the pro driver and the GTR 7:29 time....
just bunk!! 100 percent cry baby....
""wha, wha.... are car is slower, so we had our cross-eyed engineer drive so he can get a slower time and then we can cry and prove a point....wha wha""
...give me a break.........
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09-30-2008, 06:13 AM
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Read the article you asshat.
"with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34."
The GT2 is RWD and is faster than the Turbo by 4 seconds and is AWD. RWD faster than AWD in the same platform around the same track. DO you get it now?? Do I need to spell it out more for you?
RWD > AWD on the Nordschleife
Now stop talking already "motormouth"
Good lord, where do these people come from honestly? The internet is full of smart guys.
"with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34."
The GT2 is RWD and is faster than the Turbo by 4 seconds and is AWD. RWD faster than AWD in the same platform around the same track. DO you get it now?? Do I need to spell it out more for you?
RWD > AWD on the Nordschleife
Now stop talking already "motormouth"
Good lord, where do these people come from honestly? The internet is full of smart guys.
this article and this thread is about the GTR's laptime. the GTR never was claimed to have been faster than the GT2 (RWD) so that car is inconsequential. doesn't matter. nada.
you were saying it should be faster and guess what? it is. and no one thought differently.
but the AWD Turbo, with similiar specifications has no reason to be 25 seconds faster than the car in question: the GTR.
And just because I don't like you: You attributing the GT2's faster laptime to just RWD is still stupid because there are many, many differences between the two cars. and yet the GT2 only managed what? 4 seconds faster when it's lighter, better suspension (etc) and rwd? me thinks RWD (especially around a damp track as the nurburgring tends to be... another 'duh') is not the silver bullet you think it is. there are many instances where AWD gives you an advantage, especially when we are talking about PERFORMANCE AWD systems and not the front biased commuter AWD you are talking about.
so as I said, stop being stupid. yes, RWD is the best layout for a dry track on slicks (i.e. 'optimal grip')... no one in the world disagrees with your massive brain on this one... is why tarmac race cars are almost exclusively RWD, but you leave out the fact that besides the technical complexity (on track fixes, possible issues, etc), the drag and weight penalties... there are alot of other reasons besides 'DUH AWD UNDERSTERRS LOFLS?'.
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09-30-2008, 06:55 AM
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Also, to the ones lambasting Porsche's decision to use an engineer for the laps... Many automakers utilize engineers that have vast knowledge and skill when it comes to racing these vehicles. GM used one for their quoted ZR-1 time. To discount the engineer means the GM haters will have to concede the ZR-1 would be capable of an insanely faster time than what GM claimed.
Food for thought...
09-30-2008, 07:03 AM
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Considering Nissan used the 911 Turbo as the benchmark for the GT-R, I believe Nissan will be really interested in what Porsche has to say.
Also, to the ones lambasting Porsche's decision to use an engineer for the laps... Many automakers utilize engineers that have vast knowledge and skill when it comes to racing these vehicles. GM used one for their quoted ZR-1 time. To discount the engineer means the GM haters will have to concede the ZR-1 would be capable of an insanely faster time than what GM claimed.
Food for thought...
Also, to the ones lambasting Porsche's decision to use an engineer for the laps... Many automakers utilize engineers that have vast knowledge and skill when it comes to racing these vehicles. GM used one for their quoted ZR-1 time. To discount the engineer means the GM haters will have to concede the ZR-1 would be capable of an insanely faster time than what GM claimed.
Food for thought...
09-30-2008, 07:07 AM
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Also, to the ones lambasting Porsche's decision to use an engineer for the laps... Many automakers utilize engineers that have vast knowledge and skill when it comes to racing these vehicles. GM used one for their quoted ZR-1 time. To discount the engineer means the GM haters will have to concede the ZR-1 would be capable of an insanely faster time than what GM claimed.
Food for thought...
I work on airplanes (engineer) and at my last job i got to turn on planes, fly in them and design parts for the same planes........maybe i should claim to be an engineer test pilot......and no one should doubt my abilities......
Ya, but thats up for debate??
who is this so called engineer??? who says hes a good driver other than Porsche's claims???? who says hes as good as the nissan driver or at least even comparable??? .......he's no one anyone would doubt on driving abilities as if they would have used someone everyone knows...........or believes for that matter......
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09-30-2008, 07:13 AM
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When BMW and GM were asked to do a shoot out between M5 and CTS-v they both send chassis engineers not race drivers.
The main issue is b/c nissan has already been caught sending upped boost cars to publishers.
why would Nissan care about Porsche? Only b/c Porsche is the most profitable automaker in the world, that also owns controlling shares of VW and Audi...
Truth be told, i dont think the two cars (turbo and GTR) are all that comparable.
The main issue is b/c nissan has already been caught sending upped boost cars to publishers.
why would Nissan care about Porsche? Only b/c Porsche is the most profitable automaker in the world, that also owns controlling shares of VW and Audi...
Truth be told, i dont think the two cars (turbo and GTR) are all that comparable.
09-30-2008, 07:17 AM
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LOL @ Porsche. When will they learn? The OP is right they really need a wake up call. I find it sad that they are so angry that their cars (which are up to twice as much as the GT-R) cannot compete with it.
7:54 for the GT-R? Are we sure that "engineer" didn't fill the trunk and passenger seat with bricks?
7:54 for the GT-R? Are we sure that "engineer" didn't fill the trunk and passenger seat with bricks?
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Ya, but thats up for debate??
who is this so called engineer??? who says hes a good driver other than Porsche's claims???? who says hes as good as the nissan driver or at least even comparable??? .......he's no one anyone would doubt on driving abilities as if they would have used someone everyone knows...........or believes for that matter......
-J
Ya, but thats up for debate??
who is this so called engineer??? who says hes a good driver other than Porsche's claims???? who says hes as good as the nissan driver or at least even comparable??? .......he's no one anyone would doubt on driving abilities as if they would have used someone everyone knows...........or believes for that matter......
-J
These guys have so much time on the Ring that they can be reasonably close in anything.
The smoking gun in my opinion that the 7:29 was not a stock car was that when run next to the ZR1 video, it was achieving the same speeds down the straights. The GT-R can't even do that against the Z06. The GT-R sounded more reasonable at 7:38 or even the early 7:44. It is about the same or a bit quicker at most tracks than the C6 Z06.
It's really on Nissan to answer back. I've always thought that the numbers didn't add up for the last runs. SportAuto ran a 7:50 with their test driver in the GT-R and he's on the 'Ring almost daily.
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