GTR transmission failure!
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It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
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First off I thought my response was pretty thoughtful and reasonably presented as well. No one KNOWS what the problem is. Every instance has involved someone who, via the 'evil black box' telling engineers the truth, has been dig launching the car in launch mode over and over.
It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
Wow, 30 launches in 30 minutes= 1 launch every 1min....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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they are playing with fire right here... imagine... a couple of GTR owners band together, and sue the hell outa nissan, lets say 20 people. thats 400k in lawyer fee that they could pay to go nuts with nissan instead of paying for a tranny. i think they are incorrectly dealing with this..
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First off I thought my response was pretty thoughtful and reasonably presented as well. No one KNOWS what the problem is. Every instance has involved someone who, via the 'evil black box' telling engineers the truth, has been dig launching the car in launch mode over and over.
It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
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I agree with most of your post. Brutalizing your car shouldnt be warrantied but damn it should raise some red flags that cars are breaking this fast. I never have seen this kind of failure on a new car, especially one marketed in part based on its 1/4 times. IMO nissan needs to pull LC as a feature or make the transmission stand up to more abuse. Its a straight up BS feature as it stands right now. It is also going to hurt the long term value of the car. No way would i consider a used gtr without atleast a diag tool to access the blackbox data and see if my car is about to have 20k worth of repairs.
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First off I thought my response was pretty thoughtful and reasonably presented as well. No one KNOWS what the problem is. Every instance has involved someone who, via the 'evil black box' telling engineers the truth, has been dig launching the car in launch mode over and over.
It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
It is how high I set my expectations when I sit in a car and experience that kind of launch. I've driven and ridden in a C6 Z06, and it was not as brutal feeling as a launch in the GT-R. It just isn't. Of course I haven't been in a rear wheel drive car running 1.4 60s, but like you said, they are modded. I'm not apologizing for nissan, nor do I think the GT-R is bug proof. As I said, I am not buying a first year. But we do not KNOW the transmission is weak. We don't KNOW that they will blow up at 20,000 miles of normal driving conditions. That is all I was saying. Leap frog was a term I was using for the "hop" feel the car has under launch.
Also, even these z06s you are talking about will probably blow a transmission all over the road if you sit there and drop clutch launch them from stop light to stop light 10 times without any chance to cool down. That was another point I was making. Using launch control 30 times in 30 minutes... yeah that is going to blow up any transmission.
I cant speak for what your exact experience with the Z06 was, but the GTR has consistently pulled around 1.7 sec 60' launch times, so if it felt any quicker in the GTR then you should try it again in a Z06 with someone who knows how to launch one properly
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan--GT-R-Drag-Racing.html
regardless, my point wasnt to compare Z06s to GTRs, it was to compare a car thats drivetrain was engineered and OVER engineered to its power output under all extremes, like the Z06, like the STI, vs. one that isnt, the GTR. Thats all.
To say that youre just happy knowing your car can launch just once without breaking is basically saying, "Im happy knowing that my drivetrain cant even handle the stock power level of my motor and I'll just have to adjust my driving style around that" And that is simply BS.
And yes I agree with you, Im not trying to say you should use launch control 30 times in 30 minutes, but thats obviously not how this guy blew his transmission, so Im not sure what point you were trying to make with that kind of exaggeration. There is a middle ground between "30 times in 30 minutes" and "hope it launches once without breaking", and thats at least what a GTR should be engineered too.
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I'll bet those transmissions were replaced under warranty. And if not, they certainly don't cost $20k to replace. So far so good, but they need to do better for the GTR... Once the aftermarket picks up, it will be a moot point really. Nissan is screwing themselves charging so much for service. Good for shops that get into it though because they'll turn a good profit charging half as much.
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And yes I agree with you, Im not trying to say you should use launch control 30 times in 30 minutes, but thats obviously not how this guy blew his transmission, so Im not sure what point you were trying to make with that kind of exaggeration. There is a middle ground between "30 times in 30 minutes" and "hope it launches once without breaking", and thats at least what a GTR should be engineered too.
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As for the 30 in 30 minutes. I was under the impression that the car in question had in fact used launch control several times in a short span of time. That is why the techs said it was driver error not mechanical failure. At least that's what I've somewhat distilled in the OT.
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I've read most of this post and I'll echo a few of the replys:
What is wrong with Nissan saying to the GTR owners that they want the VDC on 99% of the time and only turning it off for slowly getting out of a stuck in the snow situation. But if you want to race or run it like a jackass doing burnouts or launches with the VDC off then no problem but youre not covered under a warranty if the car gets destroyed. Makes sense to me that with the VDC on the computers are protecting the drivetrain and with it off youre on your own. If my Z's tranny blew from doing drag launches or track racing would I expect Nissan to pay for it? NO!!! A warranty should be to fix items on the car that were defective or that broke under normal use such as if your windows stopped rolling down or if your horn stopped working. Not if I blew out the rear-end trying to do donuts outside the bar for my friends...Thats on my dime.
I think its pretty good that Nissan even allows racing with the VDC on!!! Just let the computer protect the car and do the proper servicing and youre safe.
I find this to be so simple to understand that I'm kinda shocked its even being discussed. Just because a car can do something doesnt mean that it should be warrantied. Maybe Launches with the VDC off are slightly faster...But I'm guessing that the safeguards arent protecting the car's drive-train if you get into a wheel hopping burnout that breaks parts. Trust me the computers are better than 99.9% of drivers on the road....Just leave them on. Stop trying to live in the 60s LOL!!!
What is wrong with Nissan saying to the GTR owners that they want the VDC on 99% of the time and only turning it off for slowly getting out of a stuck in the snow situation. But if you want to race or run it like a jackass doing burnouts or launches with the VDC off then no problem but youre not covered under a warranty if the car gets destroyed. Makes sense to me that with the VDC on the computers are protecting the drivetrain and with it off youre on your own. If my Z's tranny blew from doing drag launches or track racing would I expect Nissan to pay for it? NO!!! A warranty should be to fix items on the car that were defective or that broke under normal use such as if your windows stopped rolling down or if your horn stopped working. Not if I blew out the rear-end trying to do donuts outside the bar for my friends...Thats on my dime.
I think its pretty good that Nissan even allows racing with the VDC on!!! Just let the computer protect the car and do the proper servicing and youre safe.
I find this to be so simple to understand that I'm kinda shocked its even being discussed. Just because a car can do something doesnt mean that it should be warrantied. Maybe Launches with the VDC off are slightly faster...But I'm guessing that the safeguards arent protecting the car's drive-train if you get into a wheel hopping burnout that breaks parts. Trust me the computers are better than 99.9% of drivers on the road....Just leave them on. Stop trying to live in the 60s LOL!!!
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It has ground gear ONE time EVER. and it was my fault. if it doesn't slide perfectly into a gear, i try it again, no problem.
Sounds like a driver problem
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http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21
1 GT-R with a better 60 ft then me?????
I'm shocked...
But then again with that "soft" tranny...
LOL!!!
1 GT-R with a better 60 ft then me?????
I'm shocked...
But then again with that "soft" tranny...
LOL!!!
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They're only cutting 1.7s? I would have thought they'd be lower than that. Especially considering how aggressive the GT-R's launch control is. Good thing is that its repeatable...up to a point.
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1 GT-R with a better 60 ft then me?????
I'm shocked...
But then again with that "soft" tranny...
LOL!!!
1 GT-R with a better 60 ft then me?????
I'm shocked...
But then again with that "soft" tranny...
LOL!!!
i dont know whats to laugh about? your car is pretty modded and im pretty sure you didnt cut better than a 1.7 with stock tires. the 1.7 0-60 is cut pretty much anytime any day on stock tires. you are sitting around and are like ooo maybe ill go to the track, lalalala show up cut 1.7 go home. nothign else needed.
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I've read most of this post and I'll echo a few of the replys:
What is wrong with Nissan saying to the GTR owners that they want the VDC on 99% of the time and only turning it off for slowly getting out of a stuck in the snow situation. But if you want to race or run it like a jackass doing burnouts or launches with the VDC off then no problem but youre not covered under a warranty if the car gets destroyed. Makes sense to me that with the VDC on the computers are protecting the drivetrain and with it off youre on your own. If my Z's tranny blew from doing drag launches or track racing would I expect Nissan to pay for it? NO!!! A warranty should be to fix items on the car that were defective or that broke under normal use such as if your windows stopped rolling down or if your horn stopped working. Not if I blew out the rear-end trying to do donuts outside the bar for my friends...Thats on my dime.
I think its pretty good that Nissan even allows racing with the VDC on!!! Just let the computer protect the car and do the proper servicing and youre safe.
I find this to be so simple to understand that I'm kinda shocked its even being discussed. Just because a car can do something doesnt mean that it should be warrantied. Maybe Launches with the VDC off are slightly faster...But I'm guessing that the safeguards arent protecting the car's drive-train if you get into a wheel hopping burnout that breaks parts. Trust me the computers are better than 99.9% of drivers on the road....Just leave them on. Stop trying to live in the 60s LOL!!!
What is wrong with Nissan saying to the GTR owners that they want the VDC on 99% of the time and only turning it off for slowly getting out of a stuck in the snow situation. But if you want to race or run it like a jackass doing burnouts or launches with the VDC off then no problem but youre not covered under a warranty if the car gets destroyed. Makes sense to me that with the VDC on the computers are protecting the drivetrain and with it off youre on your own. If my Z's tranny blew from doing drag launches or track racing would I expect Nissan to pay for it? NO!!! A warranty should be to fix items on the car that were defective or that broke under normal use such as if your windows stopped rolling down or if your horn stopped working. Not if I blew out the rear-end trying to do donuts outside the bar for my friends...Thats on my dime.
I think its pretty good that Nissan even allows racing with the VDC on!!! Just let the computer protect the car and do the proper servicing and youre safe.
I find this to be so simple to understand that I'm kinda shocked its even being discussed. Just because a car can do something doesnt mean that it should be warrantied. Maybe Launches with the VDC off are slightly faster...But I'm guessing that the safeguards arent protecting the car's drive-train if you get into a wheel hopping burnout that breaks parts. Trust me the computers are better than 99.9% of drivers on the road....Just leave them on. Stop trying to live in the 60s LOL!!!
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1 GT-R with a better 60 ft then me?????
I'm shocked...
But then again with that "soft" tranny...
LOL!!!
1 GT-R with a better 60 ft then me?????
I'm shocked...
But then again with that "soft" tranny...
LOL!!!
LOL, my evo, I ran 1.6@0-60ft.
its all about AWD + good launch + 6puck clutch = broken transfercase (in this case broken tranny.... hahahhaha)
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WOW! Another one bites the dust...
I knew that the GTR was going to have trans problems, it was almost a gimme. This is just the begining...wait until the thin plasma coating on the cylinder walls wears...hehe, a very fast bomb....or, when the the axles snap because of the power. If you can't warranty 0-60 in 3.5 seconds...then the car shouldn't do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds! PERIOD!
As far as the service and warranty issues...This is why I will never ever ever buy a $70k+ Nissan!...heck, $45k is still too much for a Nissan. Come on people, think about where your $90k GTR's are being serviced and who is determining the problem...the same guy who just finished changing the oil on a Sentra. Get a certified Porsche 911 Turbo...Fast, Bulletproof, LOOKS HAWT, and get PIMP service at dealerships. The only "sorry" you get from Porsche is for leaving paper mats in your car after service.
Loved what the GTR was....Admired what the GTR has become....Dread what the GTR will be!
I knew that the GTR was going to have trans problems, it was almost a gimme. This is just the begining...wait until the thin plasma coating on the cylinder walls wears...hehe, a very fast bomb....or, when the the axles snap because of the power. If you can't warranty 0-60 in 3.5 seconds...then the car shouldn't do 0-60 in 3.5 seconds! PERIOD!
As far as the service and warranty issues...This is why I will never ever ever buy a $70k+ Nissan!...heck, $45k is still too much for a Nissan. Come on people, think about where your $90k GTR's are being serviced and who is determining the problem...the same guy who just finished changing the oil on a Sentra. Get a certified Porsche 911 Turbo...Fast, Bulletproof, LOOKS HAWT, and get PIMP service at dealerships. The only "sorry" you get from Porsche is for leaving paper mats in your car after service.
Loved what the GTR was....Admired what the GTR has become....Dread what the GTR will be!