Originally Posted by chickdr

OK- lets first agree on the cars - a 2006 Boxster S and a 2006 350Z R.
Now you are trying to tell me the 300hp 3600lb 350ZR will out accellerate a 280hp 3000lb Boxster S?(BTW- "more power" is a great marketing term but how about power:weight- where the S has the ZR at 10.7lb/hp vs 12lb/hp- even a 2.7 Boxster(240hp) has a better power to weight ratio than that!) Then you want to talk handling(cornering in your terms). The Boxster S will spank a ZR in that dept as well with the weight difference alone. As another poster here said, some will discount the Boxster as the "cheap" Porsche but the smart ones know it is the best handling Porsche out there(except maybe the new Cayman S or Carerra GT). The Boxster is almost universally crowned one of the best handling cars on the road today. You can buy a Boxster S for $55K(or less with discounts) while the Z06 starts at $66K(with NO discounts-in fact you probably have "market adjustments" on top of the base price) and you still won't have the feel of a P-car. Sure the P-car is overpriced... Spoken just as someone who can't afford one would say!

Originally Posted by John@Victory

i may have been thinking bout the old boxters as mine was older as far as performance goes as was stated already. but you are comparing this years boxter (which you dont own) which as a fresh redesign, to this years zr which is going for a redesign shortly. i cant believe you made a comment about being insulted when the saleman compared it to the boxter. the boxter is what its most shopped against. hell even you are shopping it against the boxter! its definatly in the league of your boxter, and it looks better! Now on to pricing, i can definatly afford it, read several posts up about the 4 i have owned. including the real porsche, a 911 turbo. now as you say with the z06 you still wouldnt have the feel of the p car? the cars are nothing special. as a matter of fact they are lacking everywhere considering the price. porches arent known for "their feel" they a status symbol. and you dont get that status with a boxter. people look at it and say "oh yea, thats the CHEAP Porsche". you want the feel of a car then go to a BMW. much more superior in design and drives nicer, and a hell of alot nicer car!

but its ok, so you drive an under powerd over priced chick car. we have different opinions. so what, thats what the forums about. a bunch of people with different opinions about cars shooting the ****

Originally Posted by chickdr

Porsche's aren't know for their feel? What planet are you from- that is what makes a Porsche special- the whole package. A Boxster is a chick car? I guess you don't get out much . I did not compare my '02 to a ZR, but you were making generalizations about a Boxster S being inferior to the ZR... I can tell you I don't consider any of the cars I am looking at to be serious competition for the Boxster. I am looking to DOWNGRADE and cut my payments. That is the only reason I looked at anything else. Just because a car is a 2 seat roadster doesn't make it a Boxster competitor.

Oh, and I just noticed you work at a Nissan dealer? Nuff said....

Originally Posted by John@Victory

close cousin the toyota spider ....

as said before the porsche is a "status car" thats it, other than your high end ones, which are performers.

again BMW is the German car that offers a "drivers experiance".

i guess you are the only person in the country that isnt comparing the boxter to the z car. even Motor Trend, Car and Driver, Consumer Reports, Edmunds and every other publication out there considers it the z cars biggest competitor. guess everyone is wrong except for you?

the zr is not down grading from your 2001 boxter, its upgrading. you get more options and a fraction of the cost. you cant dispute the facts.

being a nissan dealer has nothing to do with it. im a car enthusisist, plain and simple.

i guess our little nissan gtr coming out shortly isnt good enough to be compared to your p cars either

get for real

Originally Posted by chickdr

To answer point by point:

Don't understand the repeated references to the Toyota MRS. The Toyota is an obvious copy of the Boxster. Which came out first BTW??? Not much of a comparison in any other aspect other than some similar styling cues and the fact it is a mid-engined two seater.


So you actually believe a Boxster is not a high performance car? And the 3600lb ZR is? Again, how many publications have rated the Boxster as one of the best handling cars in the world(hint: many). How many have said the same about the Z...

I guess you actually believe the "Ultimate Driving Machine" line. BMW is so much better than Porsche- that is why subframes on the vaunted Z3 and M roadster will literally tear apart under track use.... Check this thread if you don't believe me: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...d.php?t=402183

And how many of them place the Boxster second? Other makers try to beat it- look at the new Z4- and even the MZ4. The Boxster S still comes out on top in test after test due to its "feel" and overall package.

After driving both I sure can. The ZR is not a match even for my lowly 02 217hp Boxster as far as body structure and handling are concerned.

The GTR is a whole other ball of wax- competes in a different realm than the ZR. I seriously doubt it will have the feel of a Porsche GT3 however.

Originally Posted by Morningglorie

Ah-hem. As a woman, I'm insulted by your comment that "still see more women driving them" is meant as a slam.

Just sayin'.

(My money obviously is on the Z - hope it doesn't frost your shorts when you see a woman driving one!)

Originally Posted by Morningglorie

Apology accepted!

Just don't let me hear you say "that's a chick car" in a derogatory way again!!

Anyway, I think the Z could be considered very voluptuously feminine - it's rounded and curvey, as well as strong and powerful. Best of both worlds!

Originally Posted by DiamondFlyer

chickdr,

While pretty clear you understand the math behind the lease, I'm fearful you're renting your lifestyle. Bottom line - Leasing is a gentle stroll through a steaming pit of tremendous negative equity on your good credit.

As you seem to be aware whenever you lease a car you go in knowing you're going to pay more in virtually every angle, just not right now. Let's examine the details: Captial cost reduction - money out the window, unrecoverable, why would your EVER put money down on a car that you'll never see the title. You only get to use a set number of miles a year, but you get to pay 100% of the sales tax, 100% of tag and title, and in personal property states such as mine 100% of those taxes, again money gone, security deposit - hope you don't trade it in early, gone too...

Let's all keep in mind Nissan never gets the car back, the lender gets the car back, but we can all pretty much admit most people run the mileage up on the leases and trade them at 22, 34, or the 58th month with bald tires and 10k from the last oil change. Typically the dealer or bank over-inflated the residual, and the negative equity cycle deepens until about three leases down the road the buyer gives up on leasing, because it's too expensive.

Leases fall into two categories, good for a business, or predatory lending. Are there good deals on leases out there, no. Can a dealer or manufacturer bundle a cheap payment on a closed or opened ended lease, absolutely. I'm really shocked that you know how to calcluate an effective interest rate, understand residualization and yet you still choose to lease. Usually people who understand leasing keep away from it like the Bird-Flu.