First Look: KPtechnologies Push Button Start
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From: Hercules Ca.
Damn still nothing??? KP Tech have been cranking out some good stuff so I cannot see why this is so hard for them! check this video of a guy that did it in his supra! It looks like he is using a Nissan key fob or a toyota one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6F-owxgyY
or try this
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6F-owxgyY
or try this
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There is a difference between "doing it" and making a kit that we can put our name on, stand behind and be proud of. Our goal is always OEM implementation and we don't feel what we have now is close enough to OEM in terms of security and fail safes. You can buy other keyless systems that are out now but I have still yet to see a kit that matches the security OEM systems provide and offer a failsafe for if something were to go wrong. Some companies are actully encouraging people to completely remove their OEM ignition switch and install aftermarket pushbuttons in their place leaving you absolutely stuck if something were to ever happen the the control module or keyfob.
Also, the mechanical steering wheel lock is still a hang up. I've said it before and I will say it again that very few, if any, customers would actually have the ability / desire to install one of these full systems when they realize the extent of the installation.
Also, the mechanical steering wheel lock is still a hang up. I've said it before and I will say it again that very few, if any, customers would actually have the ability / desire to install one of these full systems when they realize the extent of the installation.
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From: Hercules Ca.
There is a difference between "doing it" and making a kit that we can put our name on, stand behind and be proud of. Our goal is always OEM implementation and we don't feel what we have now is close enough to OEM in terms of security and fail safes. You can buy other keyless systems that are out now but I have still yet to see a kit that matches the security OEM systems provide and offer a failsafe for if something were to go wrong. Some companies are actully encouraging people to completely remove their OEM ignition switch and install aftermarket pushbuttons in their place leaving you absolutely stuck if something were to ever happen the the control module or keyfob.
Also, the mechanical steering wheel lock is still a hang up. I've said it before and I will say it again that very few, if any, customers would actually have the ability / desire to install one of these full systems when they realize the extent of the installation.
Also, the mechanical steering wheel lock is still a hang up. I've said it before and I will say it again that very few, if any, customers would actually have the ability / desire to install one of these full systems when they realize the extent of the installation.
Defeating the steering wheel lock is easy. It does not take rocket science to figure that out. I did it and the method I used works just fine!
The kit I have ties in with your oem security system or if you already have an aftermarket system you can still use that along with the intelligent key feature! Or they will sell you a vehicle immobilizer along with everything else for an upgraded price. You can push the button on the transponder or walk away from the car and the lights flash, windows roll up, and my factory alarm system is activated. The key fob has a switch on it that can be switched off to save the battery too. I also have a fuel pump kill switch wired into my car so how much security do you truly need??? Bottom line is that is someone wants your car they will take it period. Who in their right mind is going to go around crying foul and suing a company that can never ever promise 100% foolproof from theft. If that were the case then I guess I should have sued DEI when my Z was stolen a few years back with their full alarm installed with battery back up and a secondary kill switch
The reason I have been waiting for your kit is that your kit "ACTUALLY" cranks the car over like in the video I posted above. The kit I currently have you have to hold down the button and there is no tach sensing which is the only thing I do not like about the kit.
My ignition switch is still in place with the lock defeated and works just fine in case the system decides it wants to take a dump on me, I just put in my key and off I go!
As far as failsafe goes the OEM security on most cars sucks at best! Most people upgrade to something from the aftermarket but still that is no guarantee that nothing will ever happen to your car. Nor is it a Guarantee that something will not go wrong with the keyless systems that cars are now being sold with today.
Fellas...I think you guys have what we are begging you for! I think that you are just maybe over thinking it! If you extend your antenna range and switch over to a battery powered key fob with an on/off switch(to save battery) (maybe look at using a nissan key fob?) then you will be spot on! I want what is in the video below with the upgrades I described above.
Oh and please don't get mad at me for liking your products and wanting to spend all my money with you! From what is out there right now I just cannot see why this would cost anything over $500.00
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Or if you guys are that worried about what you put out then just start selling the magnavolt security system!
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Our point from an OEM security point of perspective is that if you:
1. disable the wheel lock
2. provide an onboard (-) activated transponder bypass
3. Provide a simple digital link between the "passive keyless entry" and the ignition controller / pushbutton start system
Your car will effectively have zero security on it. Some people will understand this risk and be OK with it, but the average consumer will not. Very similar to the steering wheel lock - some will figure it out, most will not. The major thing about the steering wheel lock is if it is done incorrectly and it locks up driving it could easily cause fatalities - messing with the steering wheel lock is a HUGH liability in my eyes. I'm not sure how your 300Z is but on my G35 it would be very difficult to actually remove the lock so instead I pushed the locking plunger back and pinned it. If my pin were to break while driving my steering wheel will lock up and it's going to be disastrous.
When we first started out we were planning on developing our own RF link, but the cost associated with the development is simply too high for such a low volume product (which is why most of the other companies do not make their own and simply import from China). We have tried virtually every commercially available passive keyless entry system and haven't found one that will both work reliably and be adaptable to our specific needs.
We've watched this market closely over the past ~24 months and it is not a high volume market. You can do some simple Google searches to see how much buzz there is about any of the other products on the market and you'll find very little (such as the StarDrive system (which it sounds like you have, made in China), the AdvancedKeys system (made in China), the Digital GuardDawg system (Made in USA), or the DreSpec system (believe its from China but not near enough info out there to fully determine)).
Using an OEM style remote would actually be the best case scenario since they don't transmit all the time. The OEM remotes don't wake up until you push the button on the door. This is why there is such a drastic battery life difference between OEM and aftermarket. Aftermarket have motion sensors built in to them and they continuously transmit when away from the vehicle. However, retrofitting buttons at each entry point of the vehicle is not feasible.
I would agree that we are "over thinking" this. But, as a small company that is planning on being around for a long while we base all of our decisions on reputation. I'm not willing to sell 20 units / year that don't meet my personal standards just to make a few bucks.
All that being said, we do have a version of our system that simply requires a (-) input to activate. If you can figure out exactly how your keyless entry system authorizes the control unit this version of our module may fit right in with what you have (button and all). PM me if you would like more details.
1. disable the wheel lock
2. provide an onboard (-) activated transponder bypass
3. Provide a simple digital link between the "passive keyless entry" and the ignition controller / pushbutton start system
Your car will effectively have zero security on it. Some people will understand this risk and be OK with it, but the average consumer will not. Very similar to the steering wheel lock - some will figure it out, most will not. The major thing about the steering wheel lock is if it is done incorrectly and it locks up driving it could easily cause fatalities - messing with the steering wheel lock is a HUGH liability in my eyes. I'm not sure how your 300Z is but on my G35 it would be very difficult to actually remove the lock so instead I pushed the locking plunger back and pinned it. If my pin were to break while driving my steering wheel will lock up and it's going to be disastrous.
When we first started out we were planning on developing our own RF link, but the cost associated with the development is simply too high for such a low volume product (which is why most of the other companies do not make their own and simply import from China). We have tried virtually every commercially available passive keyless entry system and haven't found one that will both work reliably and be adaptable to our specific needs.
We've watched this market closely over the past ~24 months and it is not a high volume market. You can do some simple Google searches to see how much buzz there is about any of the other products on the market and you'll find very little (such as the StarDrive system (which it sounds like you have, made in China), the AdvancedKeys system (made in China), the Digital GuardDawg system (Made in USA), or the DreSpec system (believe its from China but not near enough info out there to fully determine)).
Using an OEM style remote would actually be the best case scenario since they don't transmit all the time. The OEM remotes don't wake up until you push the button on the door. This is why there is such a drastic battery life difference between OEM and aftermarket. Aftermarket have motion sensors built in to them and they continuously transmit when away from the vehicle. However, retrofitting buttons at each entry point of the vehicle is not feasible.
I would agree that we are "over thinking" this. But, as a small company that is planning on being around for a long while we base all of our decisions on reputation. I'm not willing to sell 20 units / year that don't meet my personal standards just to make a few bucks.
All that being said, we do have a version of our system that simply requires a (-) input to activate. If you can figure out exactly how your keyless entry system authorizes the control unit this version of our module may fit right in with what you have (button and all). PM me if you would like more details.
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From: Hercules Ca.
Our point from an OEM security point of perspective is that if you:
1. disable the wheel lock
2. provide an onboard (-) activated transponder bypass
3. Provide a simple digital link between the "passive keyless entry" and the ignition controller / pushbutton start system
Your car will effectively have zero security on it. Some people will understand this risk and be OK with it, but the average consumer will not. Very similar to the steering wheel lock - some will figure it out, most will not. The major thing about the steering wheel lock is if it is done incorrectly and it locks up driving it could easily cause fatalities - messing with the steering wheel lock is a HUGH liability in my eyes. I'm not sure how your 300Z is but on my G35 it would be very difficult to actually remove the lock so instead I pushed the locking plunger back and pinned it. If my pin were to break while driving my steering wheel will lock up and it's going to be disastrous.
When we first started out we were planning on developing our own RF link, but the cost associated with the development is simply too high for such a low volume product (which is why most of the other companies do not make their own and simply import from China). We have tried virtually every commercially available passive keyless entry system and haven't found one that will both work reliably and be adaptable to our specific needs.
We've watched this market closely over the past ~24 months and it is not a high volume market. You can do some simple Google searches to see how much buzz there is about any of the other products on the market and you'll find very little (such as the StarDrive system (which it sounds like you have, made in China), the AdvancedKeys system (made in China), the Digital GuardDawg system (Made in USA), or the DreSpec system (believe its from China but not near enough info out there to fully determine)).
Using an OEM style remote would actually be the best case scenario since they don't transmit all the time. The OEM remotes don't wake up until you push the button on the door. This is why there is such a drastic battery life difference between OEM and aftermarket. Aftermarket have motion sensors built in to them and they continuously transmit when away from the vehicle. However, retrofitting buttons at each entry point of the vehicle is not feasible.
I would agree that we are "over thinking" this. But, as a small company that is planning on being around for a long while we base all of our decisions on reputation. I'm not willing to sell 20 units / year that don't meet my personal standards just to make a few bucks.
All that being said, we do have a version of our system that simply requires a (-) input to activate. If you can figure out exactly how your keyless entry system authorizes the control unit this version of our module may fit right in with what you have (button and all). PM me if you would like more details.
1. disable the wheel lock
2. provide an onboard (-) activated transponder bypass
3. Provide a simple digital link between the "passive keyless entry" and the ignition controller / pushbutton start system
Your car will effectively have zero security on it. Some people will understand this risk and be OK with it, but the average consumer will not. Very similar to the steering wheel lock - some will figure it out, most will not. The major thing about the steering wheel lock is if it is done incorrectly and it locks up driving it could easily cause fatalities - messing with the steering wheel lock is a HUGH liability in my eyes. I'm not sure how your 300Z is but on my G35 it would be very difficult to actually remove the lock so instead I pushed the locking plunger back and pinned it. If my pin were to break while driving my steering wheel will lock up and it's going to be disastrous.
When we first started out we were planning on developing our own RF link, but the cost associated with the development is simply too high for such a low volume product (which is why most of the other companies do not make their own and simply import from China). We have tried virtually every commercially available passive keyless entry system and haven't found one that will both work reliably and be adaptable to our specific needs.
We've watched this market closely over the past ~24 months and it is not a high volume market. You can do some simple Google searches to see how much buzz there is about any of the other products on the market and you'll find very little (such as the StarDrive system (which it sounds like you have, made in China), the AdvancedKeys system (made in China), the Digital GuardDawg system (Made in USA), or the DreSpec system (believe its from China but not near enough info out there to fully determine)).
Using an OEM style remote would actually be the best case scenario since they don't transmit all the time. The OEM remotes don't wake up until you push the button on the door. This is why there is such a drastic battery life difference between OEM and aftermarket. Aftermarket have motion sensors built in to them and they continuously transmit when away from the vehicle. However, retrofitting buttons at each entry point of the vehicle is not feasible.
I would agree that we are "over thinking" this. But, as a small company that is planning on being around for a long while we base all of our decisions on reputation. I'm not willing to sell 20 units / year that don't meet my personal standards just to make a few bucks.
All that being said, we do have a version of our system that simply requires a (-) input to activate. If you can figure out exactly how your keyless entry system authorizes the control unit this version of our module may fit right in with what you have (button and all). PM me if you would like more details.
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