All you guys who better understand imaging than I... I have read that kicks are probably the best 2-way solution in the Z, but I like keeping fabrication and irreversible modification to a minimum..
I am considering the eD 6000v.2 set which allows the option of coaxially mounting the tweeter with the midrange. Assuming I dremel out the stock speaker grill, would this be a better solution to mounting the tweeter in the stock sail panel?

Thanks!

 

Here is a picture of my 3-way set up. Youll want to have the tweeter mounted close to the mid range speaker as you can.

 

I had door pods in my last setup (different car), I got irritated with them. The sound was very nice, but they kind of got in the way of where I like to rest my leg. That is why I would prefer to mount in the stock location... thus the question of the coaxially mounted tweeters. Any idea on how that would come out?

 

Not to sound like a hater but ...

Silk purse, sow's ear.

Ain't gonna happen inside of a car. There's way too many factors - the +80 dB/300 horsepower noise maker under the hood, the massive amounts of acoustic signal distorting early reflections from things like the seats, the legs, glass, doors ... the "room" is way too small by several factors of magnitude, the speakers are in the wrong locations and the driver sits way too close to one side of them.

No sane acoustic engineer would pretend that a car is anything even halfway reasonable to put music into.

I still cling to my sanity and say that the best efforts in imaging in a car sound like the poorest in a home. With that I said to myself why even bother? I put some stuff in there that sounds a bit like music but doesn't come even come to within 2% of what my home system sounds like which can bring out every nuance that the recording artist and engineer intended in all of its detail.

 

This is true.. I suppose its probably not worrying too much over then, is what you're saying =)

I know bing has mentioned that aftermarket tweeters in the stock sails might be too harsh.. that would be a tangible thing to avoid though. I hope this might avoid that situation?

 

get them in the kicks or tweeters in the a pillers glassed and facing the windshield is optimal in our cars.

 

I'm not 100% sure anyone actually reads the OP aside from the title.

 

LOL, some people skim the post.

What's the rest of your system? What kind of SQ are you realistically looking for? As Paul350z said, you can NOT expect audiophile home setup sound in a car's environment.

 

Since you mentioned not messing with the interior too much, I'd vote for putting them in the sail panel. If you have to dremel out the speaker grill of the door panel, I think that would be less of a hassle to fix/ replace.

Either way would be fine for what you are trying to do though.

 

Not really looking for audiophile sound, just something good.. I'm not too new to car audio, this will be my 5th system, however the first in this car (which has only been in my possession a couple of weeks).

How many of you have the tweets in the sail panels? Are you happy with them there?

Right now I am just planning... I likely will not even start the process until the new kenwood navs come out in a couple of months. I may spring for an LOC if i get tired of waiting though...

Tentatively I am planning on an all eD setup with a set of 6000v.2 components, an 11ov.2, and a pair of nine.2s for power, possibly swapping out one of them for a nine.2x on the sub stage.

My previous setup in my Honda Del Sol was a pair of eD 11kv.2s and some Boston Acoustics components powered with Zapco amps. That install involved a lot more fiberglass... this time around I would like a much more factory look.

 

i read the thread just didnt figure it was too much work to swap out the a pillers if something happened and he didnt want them anymore. Ill leave this to everybody else then.

 

Do the speaker grill mod and mount the woofer in the stock location. Mount the tweeter in the sail panel, in the OE location (if it fits) or on the outside of the sail panel finisher. This will be the easiest and least modified look. I personally wouldn't mount the tweets biaxially in the stock woofer location......legs get in the way too easily in the Z.

 

Your idea isn't bad at all, I just think the OP wanted the least modified look for this install.

 

got ya

 

+1, I acknowledge your thoughts and appreciate your efforts. You have a good heart.

Now lets all hug

 

**** now im turned on off to the AG section fap fap fap

 

I don’t think I would mount coaxials in the stock door position (and for the reasons that Paul mentions… it would be very difficult to stage the sound properly).

I don’t like kicks or door pods for the reason you mention (“I had door pods in my last setup (different car), I got irritated with them. The sound was very nice, but they kind of got in the way of where I like to rest my leg.”).

So, I initially did this: Mounted the midrange in the stock door mount and put the tweeters in the stock sail panel. The midrange position was OK (not great, but it did deliver decent sound), but the sail panel location for the tweeters was pretty bad (difficult to stage, too close, and too harsh).

So I finally did this: Kept the midrange in the stock door mount, but mounted the tweeters in the A-Pillar. That setup still suffers from a somewhat “muffled” midrange, but provides great staging and sound from the tweeters.

This is picture of my tweeter mount (in the A-Pillar).



Sail Panel is the stock tweeter mount which I chose not to use since this position is difficult to stage and delivers harsh sound.

Actual Tweeter is where I mounted the tweeter.

Tweeter Reflection is where the directional sound from the tweeter (in the A-Pillar) bounces off the windshield and back towards the center of the car for the best sound staging.


--Spike

 

So what your saying is, neither coaxial mounting nor stock sail panels will give me good results.
Crap.

I figured coaxial might be ok since bing seems to like putting his down by your feet.

 

A coaxial mounted in a door pod would be OK, but a better position (for a quality coaxial speaker in the Z) is a kick mount. Reading your thread and your comments, I’m under the impression you don’t like this physical mounting option since it interferes with foot-position (something I also agree with).

But, mounting a coaxial in the Z’s stock door position is not something you want to do. I say this because the stock door position has a concave grill that is somewhat dense, and isn’t anywhere near a good choice for directional/staged sound which is something you want when mounting tweeters.

--Spike

 

Spike,
Thanks for the insightful posts.. Do you think it would help to dremel out the stock grill and recover in grill cloth as others on here have done? Or am I doomed to either the sail panel, or fabricating some kind of a pillar mount, which I really do not want to do.