WyattH

Hey guys,
I searched but couldn't find and thought this would be a sticky somewhere.
But what are the OEM speaker sizes/types?

Looking to do a full speaker upgrade along with a new NAV/HU. Nothing wild and expensive, just some mainstream affordable but quality speakers. Something like Pioneer D-Series.
But I can't find the size of all speakers.

I saw the discussion on even replacing the rear speakers... I'm torn. Oh well.

Thanks! And sorry for the noob Q.

*Edit - This is for an 07 Enthusiast: 6 speakers, no sub. I'd love to put in a 10'' but don't want to lose my trunk space. Are there any good speakers for the cabin that offer adequate bass?

StreetOC192

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Anyway, OEM non-Bose speaker sizes:
Tweeters, i believe they are 3/4" in the sail panels
Front woofers, 6.5" in the doors
Rear speakers, 6.5" behind headrests

There is a TON of info in this sub-forum. Just poke around and you will see what is a common install around these parts. It doesn't mean you have to do what everyone else is doing, but to get an idea of what might sound best. picking speakers is a very personal subject. What I think sounds NICE you may think sounds like POO POO!!!! I recommend you audition as many component sets as possible. Find out what kind of sound you like.

As for adding some low end grunt without losing ANY hatch space:
The Wicked CAS glove box enclosure goes where the OEM Bose sub would go and fits a 10" sub. This is the ONLY way I would recommend putting a sub in this location.
There is a thread in here where someone installed the Elemental Designs 7" subwoofers in the OEM rear speaker locations. There are other 6.5"-7" subwoofers that could be tried here, but these locations would need to be sealed up and provide a rough 'apparent'* volume of around .25-.50 cubic foot of volume depending on the specific speaker specs to sound proper.

*I say 'apparent' volume because you could get away with a slightly smaller enclosure volume if you stuff or AP vent the enclosure.

WyattH

Thanks!

I think I'll go with some these MB Quart Reference for the front (6.5'' with .75'' components):
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...t+RVF+216.html

And these 6.5'' mid-bass MBQ Reference for the rear:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...t+RCE+164.html

Should sound okay. Nice quality, good balance, good price, powered by standard 200w HU (Kenwood or Pioneer NAV).

geomark

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Wyatt, if you are going to install the front ones you may want to check the mounting depth, they may not clear the windows. I read that the max depth for the doors is 2.5" if you dont want to use spacers. These are 2.65. But good find, they may just fit.

WyattH

AH! Crap! I never would have thought about that. Thanks... I will look into that element now as well.

Also, since a 200w head unit may not properly power speakers like this, what kind of amp do I need (not brand) - I assume 300w is more than enough (most of these speakers say max watt around 150-200), but how many channels? Just 2 components + tweaters and 2 mid-bass behind the seat. Extra channel for every speaker? So lost..

What is the difference between top mount and bottom mount depths? I see a good selection under 2.5'' for top mount, but not bottom mount..

StreetOC192

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Don't ever look at "max power handling" It is a useless statistic when planning a system. Look at RMS power handling of speakers and RMS rating of amplifiers. Match them as best you can. For that components set, look for a 2 channel amp that puts out as close to 140x2 RMS as possible. If you get a 100x2 RMS amp it won't be the end of the world and it will still be loud enough.

EDIT:
To run all the speakers (front comps and rear mid bass) get a 4 channel amp....i forgot you are installing those speakers in the rear. Since the rears only need 60 RMS you will just have to keep the gains down a bit.

WyattH

thanks so much.
4channel amp, RMS 4x150 or so...(found some others with higher RMS)

2 or 4 ohm??

geomark

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+1 on the RMS rating. What speakers/amp combo did you decide on?

doug

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MB Quartz.. *shrug*

StreetOC192

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4 ohm

WyattH

Im looking for a few. Not many 6.5'' components have .75'' tweeters, and even fewer are less than 2.5'' deep.

Front components:

JL Audio:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...VR650-CSi.html
60RMS

MB Quart, not quite shallow enough maybe:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...t+RVF+216.html
RMS 70-140?

What else are you guys using?

Rear mid-bass:
MB Quart:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...t+RCE+164.html
Only 60RMS, but $50!!!

MTX:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...io+TXC6.0.html
150RMS

Beyma:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...a+PRO+6MI.html
125 RMS

Haven't heard of MTX or Beyma. I'd like the brand of speakers to match front and back (not sure why) but I guess that wont happen.

Now looking for 4x125@4 amp...

Alpine:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...PDX-4.150.html
150x4@4

Alpine:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...PDX-4.100.html
100x4@4

Rockford:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...er+T600-4.html
100x4@4

Eclipse:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...se+XA4000.html
125x4@4

Power Acoustik:
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...PDX-4.100.html
150x4@4
CHEAP!!! Is this one just as good??

StreetOC192

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Well the tweets (no matter what size) are most likely not going to fit behind the sail panel like the OE tweet is. So don't go by tweet size, get a 1" if that's what your preferred set comes with. You will find a way to mount it.

As for the depth, if you MUST mount in the OE door location, then for $20 or less you can buy or make 3/4 or 1" spacers. This is essentially a plastic or MDF ring that mounts to the door, then you mount the speaker to that ring. It adds mounting depth.

StreetOC192

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How about a set of CDT Audio classics in the front:
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?...roduct_ID=4596

And for the rear woofers:
CDT M6
http://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?...roduct_ID=4848

WyattH

Maybe I'll get the 60RMS JL fronts, the MB Quart 60RMS midbass rears, and just a 60x4@4 amp. That'd save a few bucks, all work well together, and I hate loud music so I'm not sure I "need" the extra power (if that's even what more watts does).

WyattH

Damn, those CDT's look nice...

Ah, cool. Opens up possibilities. Thanks a lot guys!!!

StreetOC192

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What's your budget for speakers and amp? what type of music do you listen to? Maybe I'll see if I can put together something in your budget range for you.


Looking at that MBQ midbass you picked out, it is for use as an add on to a component set, so in all reality if that's what you really wanted you would only need a 2 channel amp to run the whole show. Of course then you lose the adjustability of the rears, so never mind, you will still want a 4-channel to run fronts and rears separately.

WyattH

Well I'm not a music-junkie but I do appreciate clean quality. If I had a car like the 335i with it's Logic 7, or an IS350 with whatever they have, I wouldn't upgrade. Those are well rounded clean systems. My FX35 had an okay system too.

I listen to pretty much all music. I don't like HEAVY bass, but I do listen to a little rap that needs some. Some hip hop, alternative, etc.. Whatever is new, basically. Anything but HARD ROCK and Country pretty much.

Budget - well, as cheap as possible. But if a system for a little more is a lot better, I'd do it right the first time. Just want to make sure it's all a good value. So no budget - but it should be under $600-700 I think (pre-labor)? And I don't turn the music up very loud. Pretty low/average. And there will be a NAV/Hu 200w piece if that changes anything.
Thanks so much.

StreetOC192

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OK, as cheap as possible, providing good clean sound (trying to keep it neutral timbre), not too loud, installed in stock locations.

Front Components:
Elemental Designs eDi 6000s v.2 (I've read these sets are rebadged CDT)
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...products_id=49

Rear Subwoofers:
Elemental Designs 7Kv.2 dual 4ohms each
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...products_id=33

Amplifier:
Elemental Designs NINe.4
http://www.edesignaudio.com/edv2/pro...products_id=46
run front comps at 4ohms
run rear subs at 2ohms

Sound Damping:
Elemental Designs eDead v1² - 30 sf

1" speaker spacers
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Nissa...spagenameZWDVW

Looking around $567 total for everything listed. Add another ~$50 for wiring/fuses/misc. I believe Bing is a Elemental Designs dealer and might be able to get you some good pricing.

doug

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this thread has me losing my mind

Spike100

Glad to hear someone else say this… I thought that it might be only me.

I think we need more links on this thread.

--Spike