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Old 09-30-2008, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by PBLRacing
Looking for some quick help related to the topic covered in this thread. I am sure my answer is in here somewhere but with all the wheel sizes and offsets bouncing around I'm a bit dizzy.

I've got a track event this Saturday that I wasn't planning to take the Z (06 Touring - no suspension/brake mods) and I want to pick a set of track wheels/tires. Since Edgeracing is in Miami (I'm in West Palm Beach) I plan to order from them TODAY so I can get the wheels in time.

My preference is to stay with a 17" wheel setup for all the normal reasons mentioned previously. I need help with the following.

I'm looking at 17x9 wheels to run a 275/40. I used to run that tire/wheel width all the time with my Trans Am but have noted here the preference to run 10" wheels with that tire size. Do you have a pervasive reason why I shouldn't run 275s on the 9" wheel?

Second, with my unmodified suspension what are you thoughts on wheel offset (this is where I get real confused)? My two favorite wheels are 22 and 27.

I am not fundamentally opposed to running a narrower tire to make things fit but currently edgeracing is out of stock on the 255 Toyo RA1s.

Thanks for your help.
It would be cool if a company made a 17x9.5 wheel- i have the 17x9 in
front and think it would look a little puny in the rear, 17x10 looks good
but i keep wondering how the handling is in tight corners or auto-x.
I like the look of the 18x9.5 all around in the enkei rpf-1 but i like the
reduced rotating mass the 17 gives and improved acceleration with
smaller diameter-helps a lot with my 5AT on the racetrack.
Old 09-30-2008, 08:03 AM
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It would be cool if a company made a 17x9.5 wheel
Kodiak, Bogart, CCW, BBS, Jonbloed, Circle, Momo, Campangolo, Hayashi, and a few other will all happily make a 17 x 9.5" wheel for you.
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Originally Posted by betamotorsports
Kodiak, Bogart, CCW, BBS, Jonbloed, Circle, Momo, Campangolo, Hayashi, and a few other will all happily make a 17 x 9.5" wheel for you.
are these wheels all designed to fit the Z, or are they custom made on
demand?- i am sure that is a fortune to have done- i know i just have
not come accross a production wheel in that size in the varioius sites
i have looked in. I have browsed in the CCW website briefly because
a couple of my customers have those wheels and one of my friends does
as well but did not pay attention.
Old 09-30-2008, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 2fast4ya
It would be cool if a company made a 17x9.5 wheel- i have the 17x9 in
front and think it would look a little puny in the rear, 17x10 looks good
but i keep wondering how the handling is in tight corners or auto-x.
I like the look of the 18x9.5 all around in the enkei rpf-1 but i like the
reduced rotating mass the 17 gives and improved acceleration with
smaller diameter-helps a lot with my 5AT on the racetrack.
Enkei RPF1's can be had in 17x9.5 and 17x10's although you'd likely want a small spacer for a 9.5 with a +38 offset. 5Zigen ProRacer GN+'s come in 17x9.5 also(I own a set of these). Enkei also makes the GTC01 and RP03 in that size. GramLight 57F and 57S come in 17x9.5. These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

I've run 275's on 9 inch wheels and 9.5's and no problems with either.

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Old 09-30-2008, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PBLRacing
I'm looking at 17x9 wheels to run a 275/40. I used to run that tire/wheel width all the time with my Trans Am but have noted here the preference to run 10" wheels with that tire size. Do you have a pervasive reason why I shouldn't run 275s on the 9" wheel?
I have a great track setup with 275/40/17 road course tires mounted on 17x9 lightweight rims (16 lbs) on all four corners. Very neutral handling, and best of all, I'm able to rotate tires easily. During my last HPDE a couple of months ago, I was able to run down a GT3 at a very technical road course with this setup.

BTW, my track setup is currently for sale since I want to move up to a wider, more aggressive 18" setup (RPF1s). I know . . . shameless plug.

https://my350z.com/forum/competition...rse-setup.html
Old 09-30-2008, 01:53 PM
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Default Air pressures for AX street tires..

Doing my 1st AX with the 350Z. My Boxster required very high pressures up front 46-48 lbs. with rears at 38-39 lbs. This helped Turn in and allowed throttle steering with the rear.

Any input from you 350 autocrossers will be appreciated...Remember I do NOT have R tires, I need street tire info.

Thanks
Old 09-30-2008, 03:08 PM
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I started with 40 front and 30 rear, but it was too little bite in the front and too much traction in the rear and I didn't feel I could get the car to rotate.

I've been pretty happy with 38 front and 37 rear. AVON Tech M500s. Rich
Old 09-30-2008, 03:12 PM
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If you have the stock RE040 Bridgestones, the sweet spot for me was 36F, 34R.
Old 09-30-2008, 03:50 PM
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Default Nitrogen Cold Pressures

What is a good starting point for nitrogen for lapping a road coarse. I was thinking 40PSI?

I just switched to nitrogen.
Old 09-30-2008, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
What is a good starting point for nitrogen for lapping a road coarse. I was thinking 40PSI?

I just switched to nitrogen.
It depends on what size and model of tire you are on. Keep in mind that the use of nitrogen only reduces the rate of expansion. Since there will still be some increase in tire pressure when the tire gets hot, you don't want to start at 40 PSI!

As an example, my T2 350Z is on 285/30-18 Toyo R888s using nitrogen. Depending on the track and setup, cold tire pressures can vary from 28-32 lbs.
Old 09-30-2008, 05:20 PM
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If you don't have Brembo brakes...most any wheel will fit..(within reason)

But with Brembos you must be careful. But Edge Racing is good, they can tell you what fits...that is where I buy my wheels & tires whenever possible.


Originally Posted by PBLRacing
Looking for some quick help related to the topic covered in this thread. I am sure my answer is in here somewhere but with all the wheel sizes and offsets bouncing around I'm a bit dizzy.

I've got a track event this Saturday that I wasn't planning to take the Z (06 Touring - no suspension/brake mods) and I want to pick a set of track wheels/tires. Since Edgeracing is in Miami (I'm in West Palm Beach) I plan to order from them TODAY so I can get the wheels in time.

My preference is to stay with a 17" wheel setup for all the normal reasons mentioned previously. I need help with the following.

I'm looking at 17x9 wheels to run a 275/40. I used to run that tire/wheel width all the time with my Trans Am but have noted here the preference to run 10" wheels with that tire size. Do you have a pervasive reason why I shouldn't run 275s on the 9" wheel?

Second, with my unmodified suspension what are you thoughts on wheel offset (this is where I get real confused)? My two favorite wheels are 22 and 27.

I am not fundamentally opposed to running a narrower tire to make things fit but currently edgeracing is out of stock on the 255 Toyo RA1s.

Thanks for your help.
Old 09-30-2008, 06:17 PM
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Jet, the problem with nitrogen, is that you wont be able to add pressure and make adjustments at the track. You can obviously reduce pressure, but not add any pressure unless you bring your own source of nitro.

I havent used Nitrogen fills at the track, so can't really give you any useful feedback on it's rate of expansion, other than it will be less. With my regular air fills, I usually start around 31psi with Hoosiers, and that jumps to about 38psi after some hot laps.
Old 09-30-2008, 07:03 PM
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Since you're experienced experiment to see what works for you. Set up depends on how you want to drive the car. BTW, R's are addictive with a Z.
Old 09-30-2008, 08:44 PM
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When I'm running street tires in dry, I use 44F/40R on my Kumho ASXs.

However, I agree that DOT-R tires are addictive, but I can still have a good time on street tires (just not for as long).
Old 09-30-2008, 08:50 PM
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The biggest advantage will be that the nitrogen will be "dry," e.g. no water vapor.

Water vapor is the biggest problem -- it has a very high expansion rate.
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hummm...with street tires, I use the shoe polish method on the sidewalls to find the right pressures (which should provide the optimal grip), then I adjust from there to augment handling characteristics (to a limited extent).

on 615's, I ran them at 40 PSI all around...but my Z was BSP, so the suspension was considerably different than OE.
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Originally Posted by PDX_Racer
The biggest advantage will be that the nitrogen will be "dry," e.g. no water vapor.

Water vapor is the biggest problem -- it has a very high expansion rate.
A simple and cheap solution for that is a water seperator. You can even fill a 5 gallon air tank to take to the track.

As far as nitrogen pressures i would start off 3psi highter than your normal air pressures .

A couple cool things http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97061

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=94733

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Old 10-01-2008, 03:57 AM
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Guys thanks for input, just looking for a start point...and you've helped.
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Originally Posted by sfarrah
Enkei RPF1's can be had in 17x9.5 and 17x10's although you'd likely want a small spacer for a 9.5 with a +38 offset. 5Zigen ProRacer GN+'s come in 17x9.5 also(I own a set of these). Enkei also makes the GTC01 and RP03 in that size. GramLight 57F and 57S come in 17x9.5. These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head.

I've run 275's on 9 inch wheels and 9.5's and no problems with either.
2nd Sean's comment here w/r to the Enkei RPF1s. I have a full set of 17x9.5 +38s to keep rotatability. 275s fit easily, and I will see how well 295s fit all-around next. You can also run 17x10 all-around with 275s or possibly 295s. I just bought a set of 5Zigen FN01R-Cs in the +25 offset, but haven't mounted them up yet.

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Old 10-01-2008, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Jet, the problem with nitrogen, is that you wont be able to add pressure and make adjustments at the track. You can obviously reduce pressure, but not add any pressure unless you bring your own source of nitro.
you could just add air .... the 1-2 PSI worth wouldn't be adding so much water vapor along with it to ruin things.


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