Notices
Autocross/Road SCCA Solo II, SCCA Club Racing, Redline Track Events, Speed Trial, Speed Ventures, Grand-Am Cup, JGTC, Procar Australia

Road Race VQ35DE Power Expectations?

Old Dec 5, 2020 | 05:29 PM
  #1  
260DET's Avatar
260DET
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 279
Likes: 39
From: Australia
Default Road Race VQ35DE Power Expectations?

Not sure what's been done to the heads but the engine does have the usual mods, including headers, minimum muffled exhaust, cams, Haltech ECU, independent throttle bodies. The ATW dyno sheet says 379 hp @ 6,700 rpm and 275 ft/lbs @ up to 6,000 rpm with a nice flat curve, Only have the paper print out.

Do these power figures sound about right?
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2020 | 07:15 PM
  #2  
dkmura's Avatar
dkmura
General & DIY Moderator
MY350Z.COM
Premier Member
20 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (64)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 8,624
Likes: 1,393
From: Aurora, Colorado
Default

Really de[ends on what kind of dyno was being run. What kind of pistons are you running? What's the compression ratio and what type of fuel is being used?
Reply
Old Dec 5, 2020 | 11:24 PM
  #3  
260DET's Avatar
260DET
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 279
Likes: 39
From: Australia
Default

Fuel is our premium 98 which i think is 96 US, it's the highest octane pump fuel available anyway. Dyno Dynamics dyno, rest I don't know but appropriate for a built engine.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 01:10 AM
  #4  
DarkZ03's Avatar
DarkZ03
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,813
Likes: 549
From: Des Plaines
Default

I feel like that's crank HP? Reason why is at 379hp the peak of 6700 is LOW for a NA VQ. A cammed and supercharged car will make max power there. You have a dyno graph?
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 05:37 AM
  #5  
i8acobra's Avatar
i8acobra
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,035
Likes: 1,340
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by 260DET
Fuel is our premium 98 which i think is 96 US, it's the highest octane pump fuel available anyway. Dyno Dynamics dyno, rest I don't know but appropriate for a built engine.
98 is about 93 US. Dyno Dynamics will read higher than a Dynojet with forced induction and lower on an NA car. DD dyno's also have a feature that calculates crank HP. So it's possible that's a crank HP number.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 08:08 AM
  #6  
bealljk's Avatar
bealljk
350Z-holic
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 6,504
Likes: 1,325
From: North Denver
Default

To confirm this engine is supercharged?

do you know how much boost youre pushing?

379hp seems around 6 to 8psi of boost but your torque is wayyyyyyy low for that HP mark...

either ignition timing is dialed down or your VTC isnt working (which is common for Haltech).
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 08:11 AM
  #7  
i8acobra's Avatar
i8acobra
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,035
Likes: 1,340
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by bealljk
To confirm this engine is supercharged?
With ITB's, it's probably NA.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 09:41 AM
  #8  
dnash's Avatar
dnash
New Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 131
Likes: 13
From: Ontario, Canada
Default

What are the cam specs?
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 10:53 AM
  #9  
DarkZ03's Avatar
DarkZ03
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,813
Likes: 549
From: Des Plaines
Default

Most likely NA, 379hp if whp is higher than the last DE results Sasha had and his peak power was very close to whatever redline he had back then. That's why I think its crank power, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't know of any engine this size that makes that kind of power at such a low rpm without FI. Unless he has a 4+ liter stroker in there?
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 01:42 PM
  #10  
260DET's Avatar
260DET
Thread Starter
New Member
 
Joined: Apr 2019
Posts: 279
Likes: 39
From: Australia
Default

Took a pic of the dyno sheet, engine is na.

VQ35DE
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 04:30 PM
  #11  
DarkZ03's Avatar
DarkZ03
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,813
Likes: 549
From: Des Plaines
Default

Ok sheet looks like something I'd expect, either the written RPM is wrong or they are lying. Also 445 crank is super optimistic, normally hp and tq cross over around 5k is not slightly passed 3k. That peak power HAS to be significantly closer to 8k RPM.
for context the VQ37 in the Z34N makes it's peak 350chp at 7400 RPM.

Last edited by DarkZ03; Dec 6, 2020 at 04:32 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 05:07 PM
  #12  
i8acobra's Avatar
i8acobra
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,035
Likes: 1,340
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

HP and torque are mathematically required to cross at 5252rpm. This chart is either fabricated or something is wrong with the dyno.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 05:08 PM
  #13  
dnash's Avatar
dnash
New Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 131
Likes: 13
From: Ontario, Canada
Default

Originally Posted by i8acobra
HP and torque are mathematically required to cross at 5252rpm. This chart is either fabricated or something is wrong with the dyno.
The chart is fine. The horsepower and torque readings are on different scales.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 05:10 PM
  #14  
dnash's Avatar
dnash
New Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 131
Likes: 13
From: Ontario, Canada
Default

As long as the tune is solid, do the numbers really matter? Any chance you’ve been able to make it to a drag strip?

That said, I am curious why your curve is nosing over before 7k when you are running ITBs.

Last edited by dnash; Dec 6, 2020 at 05:13 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 05:21 PM
  #15  
i8acobra's Avatar
i8acobra
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 8,035
Likes: 1,340
From: Phoenix, AZ
Default

Originally Posted by dnash
The chart is fine. The horsepower and torque readings are on different scales.
LOL... I see that now. Who's the dummy operator that did that? Only time I do that is when you can't physically get them both on the same page, like a diesel with 400HP and 1200Tq.
Reply
Old Dec 6, 2020 | 05:54 PM
  #16  
DarkZ03's Avatar
DarkZ03
New Member
15 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
iTrader: (11)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,813
Likes: 549
From: Des Plaines
Default

Originally Posted by dnash
As long as the tune is solid, do the numbers really matter? Any chance you’ve been able to make it to a drag strip?

That said, I am curious why your curve is nosing over before 7k when you are running ITBs.
Kinda why I was saying his peak power RPM makes no sense, I did notice the scaling too, the crossover is around 165 kph in that graph.

Last edited by DarkZ03; Dec 6, 2020 at 05:56 PM.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
JETPILOT
Forced Induction
48
Feb 10, 2008 08:34 PM
Cannysage
Engine & Drivetrain
32
Feb 9, 2008 06:02 PM
Z350Lover
Engine & Drivetrain
14
Jun 4, 2005 10:57 AM
BRS0903
Engine & Drivetrain
45
Jun 15, 2004 03:37 PM
??????
2003-2009 Nissan 350Z
35
Sep 20, 2002 09:10 AM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:58 AM.