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11-29-2003, 04:51 PM
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First off my problem with the car was the rough/harsh ride. First I installed Tein S-Tech springs. These helped but the jarring ride over anything but smooth roads took the pleasure out of long trips. I ordered the G35 coupe struts ($525 for front & back). The rears came in first and was able to install them a week ago, just before a 5 hour trip. It decreased the vertical G forces over rough pavement 24%. Today I installed the fronts while I haven't check with instruments the ride has improved more. I'd have to say the rears provided more improvement. If you read Road & Track they pulled higher lateral G's with the G35 than the 350Z. I just hated to spend money with nissan but I have places to go and things to do until the Konis are available.
11-29-2003, 11:04 PM
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Bud: thanks for the reply. did you know the specs were different before you order them? I imagine they are exact same mounting since you have already installed them... what about the springs, are you still using stock 350z springs?
11-30-2003, 02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Boomer
..... I feel reasonably confident the Konis, a premium part, will be better than ........what will come w/the upgraded stock suspension.....
..... I feel reasonably confident the Konis, a premium part, will be better than ........what will come w/the upgraded stock suspension.....
11-30-2003, 04:39 AM
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I'm thinking the same thing considering Koni's past history.
I'm thinking the same thing considering Koni's past history.
Now if Koni will take BJ's minor changes into account in their production shocks we are all set.
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11-30-2003, 12:21 PM
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OK, I have a question. If these use the same stock parts and you just replace the shocks, how is this a performance upgrade?? I see how they would improve a bit, but they are just dampeners. I really see this as a fix for the bouncy stock suspension and nothing else. If it increased cornering Gs, I would be more interested.
11-30-2003, 02:37 PM
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Originally posted by jmark
I believe the Michelins on the G35 accounted for a lot of the increased lateral G's.
I believe the Michelins on the G35 accounted for a lot of the increased lateral G's.
11-30-2003, 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Apexi350z
Bud: thanks for the reply. did you know the specs were different before you order them? I imagine they are exact same mounting since you have already installed them... what about the springs, are you still using stock 350z springs?
Bud: thanks for the reply. did you know the specs were different before you order them? I imagine they are exact same mounting since you have already installed them... what about the springs, are you still using stock 350z springs?
11-30-2003, 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by little_rod
OK, I have a question. If these use the same stock parts and you just replace the shocks, how is this a performance upgrade?? I see how they would improve a bit, but they are just dampeners. I really see this as a fix for the bouncy stock suspension and nothing else. If it increased cornering Gs, I would be more interested.
OK, I have a question. If these use the same stock parts and you just replace the shocks, how is this a performance upgrade?? I see how they would improve a bit, but they are just dampeners. I really see this as a fix for the bouncy stock suspension and nothing else. If it increased cornering Gs, I would be more interested.
11-30-2003, 05:10 PM
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Little_rod,
Dampers are the heart -- the most critical part -- of your suspension. Granted, on a smooth surface, the spring and swaybar combination will dictate the G-loads in steady-state mode but, for 'real-world' handling, which means controlling weight transfer during transitions (braking into turns, slaloms, etc.) on varying road surfaces, you really want the best dampers you can afford. If you talk to the guys who build Solo II mod cars, some of them will tell you that, in terms of components, the starting point for suspension tuning is a set of Penske (or equivalent) dampers.
Dampers are the heart -- the most critical part -- of your suspension. Granted, on a smooth surface, the spring and swaybar combination will dictate the G-loads in steady-state mode but, for 'real-world' handling, which means controlling weight transfer during transitions (braking into turns, slaloms, etc.) on varying road surfaces, you really want the best dampers you can afford. If you talk to the guys who build Solo II mod cars, some of them will tell you that, in terms of components, the starting point for suspension tuning is a set of Penske (or equivalent) dampers.
11-30-2003, 09:59 PM
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OK, I can see how it would help on rough road handling like the roads I drive. And unlike alot of people here, I will admit in what area I don't have specific knowledge in, and this maybe one of them. When I think of the word dampen, I think of just compression and rebound. That would be mainly for 'cushioning' on rough roads and such. With rebound, it is good to have it dampened right so that you can keep the tire on the pavement as much as possible in a rough turn. This is where I see the advantage of these dampeners. But in the real world, I am not going to challenge the limits of my car in a rough corner unless I just want to wreak my car, lol.
In reading what I just said, I can see how they can help cause they make sure that your tires are in contact with the road at all times. But at those prices, I don't see why you wouldn't buy a cheap coilover kit that improves your handling more. Maybe I am wrong, but I still see these as mostly a fix for the bounce and if I want a handling improvement, a coilover or even sways are a better choice.
In reading what I just said, I can see how they can help cause they make sure that your tires are in contact with the road at all times. But at those prices, I don't see why you wouldn't buy a cheap coilover kit that improves your handling more. Maybe I am wrong, but I still see these as mostly a fix for the bounce and if I want a handling improvement, a coilover or even sways are a better choice.
11-30-2003, 10:21 PM
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Well, my real world is pretty decent public highways, Solo II, and lapping days; which dictate, for me, upgrading to a set of premium-quality, adjustable dampers. The Konis are estimated to be around $700, my springs were $275 and my swaybars were $500 -- $1475 altogether. That's several hundred less than a coilover set-up w/adjustable dampers. Happily, we have several routes to go with these things but, personally, I wouldn't buy aftermarket dampers that weren't adjustable, except possibly Bilsteins.
BTW, I didn't read what the latest ETA on the Koni's is -- anyone know?
BTW, I didn't read what the latest ETA on the Koni's is -- anyone know?
12-01-2003, 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by little_rod
OK, I can see how it would help on rough road handling like the roads I drive. And unlike alot of people here, I will admit in what area I don't have specific knowledge in, and this maybe one of them. When I think of the word dampen, I think of just compression and rebound. That would be mainly for 'cushioning' on rough roads and such. With rebound, it is good to have it dampened right so that you can keep the tire on the pavement as much as possible in a rough turn. This is where I see the advantage of these dampeners. But in the real world, I am not going to challenge the limits of my car in a rough corner unless I just want to wreak my car, lol.
In reading what I just said, I can see how they can help cause they make sure that your tires are in contact with the road at all times. But at those prices, I don't see why you wouldn't buy a cheap coilover kit that improves your handling more. Maybe I am wrong, but I still see these as mostly a fix for the bounce and if I want a handling improvement, a coilover or even sways are a better choice.
OK, I can see how it would help on rough road handling like the roads I drive. And unlike alot of people here, I will admit in what area I don't have specific knowledge in, and this maybe one of them. When I think of the word dampen, I think of just compression and rebound. That would be mainly for 'cushioning' on rough roads and such. With rebound, it is good to have it dampened right so that you can keep the tire on the pavement as much as possible in a rough turn. This is where I see the advantage of these dampeners. But in the real world, I am not going to challenge the limits of my car in a rough corner unless I just want to wreak my car, lol.
In reading what I just said, I can see how they can help cause they make sure that your tires are in contact with the road at all times. But at those prices, I don't see why you wouldn't buy a cheap coilover kit that improves your handling more. Maybe I am wrong, but I still see these as mostly a fix for the bounce and if I want a handling improvement, a coilover or even sways are a better choice.
The Konis will fix the bounce and a whole lot more in over the road driving by controlling the rebound, which is one of the things wrong with the suspension and they can be adjusted to give you a rock-hard ride if you want to go racing. You underestimate what quality struts/shocks can do for any car, including the Z.
12-01-2003, 06:27 AM
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Well, my real world is pretty decent public highways, Solo II, and lapping days; which dictate, for me, upgrading to a set of premium-quality, adjustable dampers. The Konis are estimated to be around $700, my springs were $275 and my swaybars were $500 -- $1475 altogether. That's several hundred less than a coilover set-up w/adjustable dampers. Happily, we have several routes to go with these things but, personally, I wouldn't buy aftermarket dampers that weren't adjustable, except possibly Bilsteins.
BTW, I didn't read what the latest ETA on the Koni's is -- anyone know?
Well, my real world is pretty decent public highways, Solo II, and lapping days; which dictate, for me, upgrading to a set of premium-quality, adjustable dampers. The Konis are estimated to be around $700, my springs were $275 and my swaybars were $500 -- $1475 altogether. That's several hundred less than a coilover set-up w/adjustable dampers. Happily, we have several routes to go with these things but, personally, I wouldn't buy aftermarket dampers that weren't adjustable, except possibly Bilsteins.
BTW, I didn't read what the latest ETA on the Koni's is -- anyone know?
12-01-2003, 03:26 PM
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I hope they change the release date to Jan. 1st and ship to all of us first overnight insured and certified at a discount with free shipping and plenty of stickers.
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Originally posted by Mr. Potato Head
I hope they change the release date to Jan. 1st and ship to all of us first overnight insured and certified at a discount with free shipping and plenty of stickers.
I hope they change the release date to Jan. 1st and ship to all of us first overnight insured and certified at a discount with free shipping and plenty of stickers.
