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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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i could scan all my documents and post them up, i didnt say anything, i went to the border with the title and proof of purchase, i declared the car @ 25k and paid something like 1400, the i paid about 1800 in canada for the other tax, take into consideration that canada valued my car at 25500 with the exchange rate at that time..... i did nothing special ,

when i got to canada i faxed my recall letter to riv, installed drl cost me 5$ (i posted a diy) and went to canadian tire for my free inspection, then i was told i needed to pass a security inspection at CAA, i passed it, went to plate my car paid 1800+plate

so here it is
2007 350z 25,000
border tax 25500 @ 5% i think 1275 + other fees i dont have the paper with me but about 1450
then drl 5$
then canadian tire free
CAA 95$
the gst on 25500 @ 7.something % i think aprox 1800-1900 +plate i paid 120 (half year or something


so 25000 + 1450+ 5 +95+ 1850 + 120 = 28520 us car + Canadian plate

i have all supporting documents and i dont see why you could not do it the same way!!!! maybe its a combination of the state and the border? i know diff states have diff rules!!! OH YEAH and i paid 10$ at the secretary of state to get a 14 day transit so i could cross the border, then at the border they give you a form 1
So the "free" inspection by CDN Tire is actually payed for via your RIV fees, correct?

What about the e-test and safety? Can you choose who does those tests? The safety test is different than the RIV Form 2 inspection, correct?
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kingrukus
So the "free" inspection by CDN Tire is actually payed for via your RIV fees, correct?

What about the e-test and safety? Can you choose who does those tests? The safety test is different than the RIV Form 2 inspection, correct?
100% correct you pay a fee at the RIV that covers the canadian tire fee,

the safety test is the caa thing (i didnt know about that until the last min since its a quebec law ), YOU MUST GO to CAA to do the inspection,,,,95$ (thats for Quebec)

whats the e-test? drl? if so thats canadian tire
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:40 AM
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PM me your emails, i dont know how to pm you a pic...
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 11:58 AM
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as far as safety and E test go, you can go anywhere that does both those places.. not sure if CT does safety.. im sure they do though, so you might as well get everything done in 1 shot... i always did my E test there
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 12:29 PM
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y'a the warranty is void if the car is not registered in the USA for 6 months by the first owner. After that, it must be good.

Avandss got really lucky it seems or maybe it's because he bought a used car so they didn't look at the number of months it was in USA.

Right now my Z is at the boarder and I'm gona pick it up this monday.

And btw, don't buy extended warranty of the USA dealer, they are invalid in both country lol!!!. I have to back to Oneonta Nissan to get my money back for it and to make them change my bills (or I will pay the duties). GRRRRRR

Avandss I want the pics too Ty ! : jonjonkesketudeviens@hotmail.com
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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well i mean he has to be right.... my car was not reg for 6 months prior... nissan hq

THANK GOD MY TRANSACTION WENT smoothly
btw here is another twister, i did not pay any duty at the border since my car was 2 months old
You must have really lucked out in the paper processing, because the duty should have applied in your circumstance. I have confirmed with the CBSA that there are absolutely no conditions under which a non-North American vehicle would not be charged duties. By the way, does the VIN number of your car in your paperwork start with a "J"?

Also, one thing everyone should remember is that avandss is in Quebec. From a legal perspective, Quebec is an entirely different country, and they may have different laws with respect to car warranties and how they are honoured. I will call some friends in Quebec to see if there are any consumer protection laws that allow the warranty to be honoured there without a 'grace' period.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 12:41 PM
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there is no such thing as lucked out!!! they are not that stupid to forget, from what i can conclude, some states you don't pay duty on used cars, my car was 7 weeks old! and Michigan must be one of them! and my car was build in japan, my friend got a 2003 from Michigan, i cant reach him now but im 100% sure he didn't pay duty because he would of bitched about it,
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 01:02 PM
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I dont see what state you purchase the car from has to do with paying duty on any car built outside of the states when importing into Canada.

on the Gov. page its all written and I dont remember saying .. excluding these states.
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 02:26 PM
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i just spoke to my friend that also got the 350 from Michigan, and he did not pay duty

i dont see where on that page it says you don't pay duty either, obviously they are not to clear about it! its not like they forgot to charge me and my friend duty!

i will call my self and ask about the warranty and duty to get to the bottom of this, but as i said, my car was 2 months old i did not pay duty and i have the warranty, i also have all documentation to back me up so its not bs
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by avandss
i just spoke to my friend that also got the 350 from Michigan, and he did not pay duty

i dont see where on that page it says you don't pay duty either, obviously they are not to clear about it! its not like they forgot to charge me and my friend duty!

i will call my self and ask about the warranty and duty to get to the bottom of this, but as i said, my car was 2 months old i did not pay duty and i have the warranty, i also have all documentation to back me up so its not bs
Are you talking about Canadian import duty of 6.1%
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Are you talking about Mich. State taxes?
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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canadian import duty of 6.1% go to the previous page, i wrote exactly all the fees i paid
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 04:04 PM
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you dont pay any state tax
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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by avandss
you dont pay any state tax
I agree, you can easily get away with not paying state taxes, since in most cases the purchase is made out of state. However, the 6.1% duty on Canadian cars is collected on the Canadian side of the border (it is a Canadian fee). And basically, if a car is made outside of North America, the duty is applicable, and there are no exceptions. So if you didn't pay the duty, you are very lucky.

Also, unless I misunderstood how you explained the fee, the 5% border fee you paid would have been the GST, while the 7% you paid when you picked up your plates would have been the QST.

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Old Jul 3, 2008 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by g35koupe
I agree, you can easily get away with not paying state taxes, since in most cases the purchase is made out of state. However, the 6.1% duty on Canadian cars is collected on the Canadian side of the border (it is a Canadian fee). And basically, if a car is made outside of North America, the duty is applicable, and there are no exceptions. So if you didn't pay the duty, you are very lucky.

Also, unless I misunderstood how you explained the fee, the 5% border fee you paid would have been the GST, while the 7% you paid when you picked up your plates would have been the QST.
really? do you work at the border? have you imported hundreds of cars? because that is a very bold statement, obviously there is something that we dont know, there is a law or a rule or something since me and my friend DID NOT PAY, and there is no such thing as OH HE FORGOT or HE GOT LUCKY Also When you go get your plate you have to hand in you form 1 and also the riv gets a copy so im sure it was not forgotten, i think i will just scan my sheet and post it up .,,, and you can clearly see it says DUTY 0.00

im not arguing with anyone here, i am talking about what actually happened
at the end of the day, i have a 2 month old 2007 with warranty and i didnt pay duty, i am not that lucky trust me
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by avandss
really? do you work at the border? have you imported hundreds of cars? because that is a very bold statement, obviously there is something that we dont know, there is a law or a rule or something since me and my friend DID NOT PAY, and there is no such thing as OH HE FORGOT or HE GOT LUCKY Also When you go get your plate you have to hand in you form 1 and also the riv gets a copy so im sure it was not forgotten, i think i will just scan my sheet and post it up .,,, and you can clearly see it says DUTY 0.00

im not arguing with anyone here, i am talking about what actually happened
at the end of the day, i have a 2 month old 2007 with warranty and i didnt pay duty, i am not that lucky trust me
Actually, I have imported dozens of cars, and have never had a situation where I did not pay duties on a Japanese car. In addition, I did speak to the CBSA to find out about the rules given your experience, and they stated that there are no exceptions. So I personally don't work there, but I have directly asked them to clarify. If they don't end up paying duties, they can consider themselves lucky - unless of course there is an obscure law that only certain members of the CBSA are aware of.

I don't dispute what you or anyone else paid, but the intention of this particular thread is to define what someone should expect to pay at the border. Anyone who intends to bring in a Japanese car should expect to pay duties at the Canadian side of the border (among the other fees as noted by RIV). Now, I could see a case where if the 350Z has a VIN number starting with something other than "J" it could be mistakenly excluded.

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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 05:54 AM
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Actually, I have imported dozens of cars, and have never had a situation where I did not pay duties on a Japanese car. In addition, I did speak to the CBSA to find out about the rules given your experience, and they stated that there are no exceptions. So I personally don't work there, but I have directly asked them to clarify. If they don't end up paying duties, they can consider themselves lucky - unless of course there is an obscure law that only certain members of the CBSA are aware of.

I don't dispute what you or anyone else paid, but the intention of this particular thread is to define what someone should expect to pay at the border. Anyone who intends to bring in a Japanese car should expect to pay duties at the Canadian side of the border (among the other fees as noted by RIV). Now, I could see a case where if the 350Z has a VIN number starting with something other than "J" it could be mistakenly excluded.
And we know that all 350z's are made in Japan, so they would all have "J"vin's. This is the first I have heard of someone not paying the 6.1% duty.
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And we know that all 350z's are made in Japan, so they would all have "J"vin's. This is the first I have heard of someone not paying the 6.1% duty.
Yes, but I have heard of some scams where people change the VIN numbers and replace the "J" in the paperwork at the border. Thus, when the border guards process the vehicle, they set the duties to 0. Due to the sheer volume of cars being imported now, it is very rare to have a vehicle inspected by the CBSA, particularly when using a customs broker.

I guess the easiest thing to do to settle this issue would be for advandss to call the CBSA, give them his VIN, ask them why no duties were applicable. I am more happy to be proven wrong! Using that loophole would definitely win me some more clients

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I have read a few times on various forums that folks have gotten away without paying duties on their vehicles that were produced outside of North America. It is rare, but it happens. I am thinking this may because of sloppy work on behalf of the customs officer. Eitherway, when it comes my time to import, I hope I get lucky too.

What are you guys doing about insurance? Do you simply call your insurance co. and give them the Vin # of the car you plan on buying, and getting it temporarlily covered so that you can drive it back?
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Old Jul 4, 2008 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by kingrukus

What are you guys doing about insurance? Do you simply call your insurance co. and give them the Vin # of the car you plan on buying, and getting it temporarlily covered so that you can drive it back?
If you call your insurance company, and give them the VIN, they'll cover it. Sometimes they'll ask you to fax the title to confirm, but generally its a quick call. Usually they'll just fully insure the car from the date you buy it, so it doesn't have to be temporary if that works better for you.
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Originally Posted by g35koupe
Yes, but I have heard of some scams where people change the VIN numbers and replace the "J" in the paperwork at the border. Thus, when the border guards process the vehicle, they set the duties to 0. Due to the sheer volume of cars being imported now, it is very rare to have a vehicle inspected by the CBSA, particularly when using a customs broker.

I guess the easiest thing to do to settle this issue would be for advandss to call the CBSA, give them his VIN, ask them why no duties were applicable. I am more happy to be proven wrong! Using that loophole would definitely win me some more clients
ok i see your point, but not I’m not sure i want to call... .... but think of it this way,
1- i had to park the car for a quick inspection, the guy asked me all sorts of questions, where did you buy, how much, is it vga, .....
2- when i was paying the border guy had the paper verified, then i had to pay at the cash where this lady went over everything,
now after all this they send a copy to riv for them to approve the car.

all this plus it happened twice !!! look man if you import that many cars maybe its worth for you to take the time and call them , also i would me more then happy to send you a copy of my form 1, (of course i would white out lots of it....)i don’t want to pay duty if it is a fluke as u say...

i got the car from Michigan state and left using Blue water bridge,
u should call them and ask them, if i buy a USED car that is made in Japan, do i pay duty?

again i see you point if u have imported dozens of cars but i mean 2 350z in the span of one year and both don’t pay duty...I doubt they are that stupid
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