So you ran 12.8 on a gtech? I have seen NUMEROUS sti's go 13.0-13.2 at the TRACK. However the trap is signifigantly lower obviously. The Z on the highway is a pretty solid car.

I just dont see the point in wasting all that money to prove a point to your friend. What you waste 7-10k to prove you can beat him stock, then he goes out with 3k and is beating you again.

A factory FI car is so much more modable. We have a dozen stock motor'd sti's running around with 500+whp. They are very capable cars, the tranny is bullet proof, the real weak link is the pistons(ie ringlands).

I have owned a 400whp 02 wrx, a 230whp 99 2.5rs with wrx swap(2700lbs ) and a 550whp 04 wrx, and they are great cars but i just sold my 04 for the g35 coupe and love it!

 

you cant beat an sti unless you are really a talented driver who can actually drive along the winding road at full throttle most of the times..

maybe there is a slight chance at a drag strip depending on how you launch your car but i'd rather call a car that can 'drive faster' a faster car than the car that can go 1/4 miles faster from dead stop without any steering work.. plus sti/evo's launch is just insane, you can drop the clutch near the redline and it will still rocket off from the starting line.

sti are quicker in corners and straights, its traction is just remarkable. And it gets even more scary when you start to mod that car, 3inch+ exhaust with minor boost up, it will become a totally different car.. just like any other turbo cars do.

they are just two different types of cars, i do like sti's performance but i can live with the ugly looks. personal taste maybe.

350z is more classy

 

It is not hard to beat a sti with a stock z, i have raced many modded sti's and the outcome has been ugly! They cant keep up with the Z from a roll, we have getter gearing and more torque. No racing a modded srt-4 is different, they give me a run for my money, 2000 in that car will make you a high 11 second car! My point is the sti is a rally car, it is not made for topspeed! The Z is built like an corvette, we make great high end gains, and solid gains through out the power band! There fore we are able to run good at high speed rolls.

 

What do you trap? You must have raced some weakly modded Sti's or had some bad drivers. On gtech if you are trapping 108, i would say in reality you are closer to 105-106. The top end is definetly better on the Z vs a stock STI but dont think for 2k i couldnt put that STI to the 110 traps.

What do you conisder High SPeeds? And to me it seemed this thread was about 1/4 racing, not 100+ roll ons. I just think it is an apples to oranges comparison, the STI is pretty easy to mod and very capable out of the factory.

 

At the track with out headers, i ran a 13.3, and trapped at 105.9! Plus it was really warm outside, like 85 degrees. Not even high speeds, i always race from 2nd gear and 40 mph around 4500 right at the heart of the powerband. The Z in that zone is unstopabble, i raced a Sti with a bc, exhaust, new manifold, and wastegate. With the headers i beat him by 2.5 cars! We are running again this weekend i will video tape it and post it.

 

So i was dead on with my 105-106 traps.

Listen turbo back exhaust 700, utec 800, mbc 50, fuel pump 80. I could make that car trap 108-110. It would be a mid 12 sec car easy.

Why would he have a new wastegate?

You are comparing a poorly modded STI, or a poor driver. 13.3 is what an sti will run stock with a good driver. As i said the Z does have an advantage upstairs but if the subaru owner knows how to mod, you would be in for an awakening. I am not arguing a modded z wont pull on a stock sti from a roll, or a modded Z wont pull on a poorly modded sti from a roll. I am just saying if you know what you are doing with a small sum of money you are pretty deep into the 12's with an sti.

My 99rs with 227whp pulled a Z all the way up to 130 when we shut it down. That car is pretty light though. An Sti with the mods i mentioned would be in the 300whp range on pump gas, 330+ whp on race gas.

Like i said i love my G, but it is what it is. I love how smooth it is, and how i dont have to work on it anymore.. But it isnt fast in any strech of the word.

Dave-

 

Those were my traps without headers though. With the headers there is a huge difference, i am going to the track this weekend and will post my times! I agree with you that with the money spent on bolt ons for the Z will give the Sti a huge advantage with that same money, i mean its F/I the torque on the Z can only hold up for so long. The Z does not have a linear power graph like the STI, the Z has a more curvey graph. But all i am saying that beating a bolt on sti, with a heavily bolt on Z is very possible, at that point it all depends on driver. The Z is rated at 1/4 14.1, i ran a 13.79 stock as well as many other people on this forum.
THE Z IS STILL A HOTTER CAR!!!!!!!!!!
Car-Stats.com Report for 2004 Subaru WRX Sti
Obtained from MT June, 2003
0-60: 4.9 Transmission: Manual
1/4 Mile: 13.2
1/4 Speed: 105

 

What do most heavily bolt on Z's run? As i said with a few mods i can put the sti into the mid 12's. But you are right, when the STI is poorly modded then it is a waste. You need engine Mgmt on an STI, you cant just slap on all those parts, and a boost controller and call it a day.

This is one of the higher stock turbo cars from our shop. Most do about 300whp on 91. This car was on race gas, i believe it had gone 12.2 with 30whp less, and 70lb ft , less.
mods: (headers, exhaust, utec, boost controller)
GTSpec header - HPC coated
Perrin Uppie - HPC coated
TXS DP cut halfway, 3 bolt 3.5" flange
Magnaflow 3.5" race series muffler
HPC no-blow 3.5" - 3 bolt gasket
ProfecB
UTEC
K&N drop in filter

 

Very nice, Yes i agree the engine managment is crutical to the STi. Without that the timing is off and car is either running to rich or lean with mods which isint fun!

 

I have both, 2003 G35 Coupe and 2006 STI - Stock, the STI is faster - no question. Simple bolt on's, 3k between both cars, and the STI is in the mid 12's and the G35 is at best mid 13's...

 

You can drive my car and beat one.

 

what?

 

My Z has a few good mods on it, there is a chance it could beat an sti if the driver was a little worse than me. I have run low to mid 13's at the track when I get a good launch.

 

What do you run 1/4 e.t. and trap speed and with what 60ft?

 

I don't have ant timeslips handy, the fastest I have managed is a 13.5 or so in the quarter mile. My main problem is the launch I am on stock tires. I honestlty don't think I could beat an sti in the quarter I was just joking b/c someone said that a car with my mods could do it. After rims and tires and a jwt fly and clutch, and maybe a nismo lsd with 350evo final drive we'll talk sti.

 

Man... F*ck the STI

 

With your mods, you should be able to kill a sti from a 1st gear roll, 20 mph that is if you can get traction ! Your mods are pretty similar to mine and i kill stock sti's from rolls. I raced a evo from a dig, he didn't launch hard core and i still beat him of the line. Launch at 2000 drop clutch, and wot shift!
Bfgoodrich T/A KD tires will help big time.

 

I know I can kill them from a roll, but I think it only counts from a dig, ditto on the t/a kd's. I plan on eventually getting 275's all around.

 

hahahaha yo for real that car is supa UGLY

=D

 

ok, i know this isn't the spot to post this but this has been bothering me. also i'm new to forums in general and i have made a few post here and there and i even did a search to answer this question but came up empty, wtf is "IMO"??