Thinking of a fully built motor w/o FI
yeah to me, these cars have a really close gear ratio transmission with hugely agressive gears which means it's setup for road coarses or autox and not so much drag racing.
These cars can be made lighter, but not THAT much lighter unless it becomes a flat out track car and the entire car is stripped of everything normal like side windows etc
So in a way, you just have to accept that this car is a good platform for performance, but not the best out there. It is what it is. When people want to throw 30k additional into their brand new Z to make it a 600hp monster, you kinda have to ask why you're doing it.
If it's for drag racing, then ok that's cool, but this car just isn't set up so well for it and you'll have to pay huge money to make it good at it.
If it's for road coarses, are you going to be able to use all 600hp? Does it make sense to have that much power on a road coarse on this platform? On other cars yeah maybe. IMO you better be a damn good driver cause high HP cars are not easy to control on a road coarse unless they're designed from the ground up to manage all that power - which the Z just isn't
What about autoX? You barely use 2nd gear
Street racing? it's mainly drag racing and highway racing. The Z is actually not too bad at highway racing since most people have traction in 4th gear and higher even with a lot of HP
With drag racing it's all about hp and traction
You can get a million HP - well if you can find a way to work around the cooling system on the engine above 600whp.
You can even get some traction if you use huge racing tires and an LSD
But the gearbox isn't setup for drag racing. Some of the heavy hitter drag racers don't use the Z transmission. They use Turbo 400 transmissions or whatever or I'd even guess they might redo the gearing to make taller gears. Maybe a really conservative final drive would is all you need with 600+whp, i dunno
The car doesn't have a rear engine layout, or AWD, or solid drive axel, or room for enormous 345mm tires, nor is the transmission mounted in the rear - or even any other engine bay parts like the battery.
The Z isn't known for a drag racing history - the 300TT is obviously, cause well look at it. Nissan offers a "track" model and has big brakes like those intended for road coarses. Drag racers don't want huge brakes
IMO I actually agree. I think small FI or NA is the better route for this car unless you get extremely serious with turning your Z into a hardcore track/drag racer and do want to dump some big money into it.
Whenever I go over to the LS1 or corvette forums and do a search to see what people there are saying about the 350Z, every time they always say how they're just not that fast in a straight line. Now some of those guys have raced some of our 500whp people probably from these boards and give respect to them - it's usually always highway race where the Z would have traction and have an advantage with strong gearing.
It gets depressing reading about how those guys dog the Z. It makes me want 500whp to crush them and justify that the Z is good car. They only talk about straight line speed. If someone brings up turning, most of those guys have never been on a road coarse or did and didn't like it cause their cars didn't turn so well or who knows maybe they drove off the track. They blow off any turning advantage the Z has as being unimportant.
I'm on the elise forums a lot too and none of them actually bash the Z too much. They like the car for the most part, but think it's numb feeling and heavy - and in comparison to the elise, what wouldn't be? Most of what those guys talk about is turning. They don't care so much about straight line speed and most don't drag race their cars - they go to a road coarse.
The Z is a well rounded car. Did you buy it to be an exotic car crusher cause it's never going to be without changing it almost beyond what the car originally was which was a nice looking well rounded car with good all round performance.
the great thing about the car is it can go in any direction and be decent at it be it drag racing or road coarses. A muslce car's greatest strength is it's straight line speed. The elise's strength is its turning. The Z is good at both, but not great. It gives you the total sports car experience. It's decently fast in a straight line, it's turns decently, it looks like a sports car, it's not that expensive compared to most sports cars, and there's huge aftermarket support for the car which is about a 50/50 rice/track people ratio
These cars can be made lighter, but not THAT much lighter unless it becomes a flat out track car and the entire car is stripped of everything normal like side windows etc
So in a way, you just have to accept that this car is a good platform for performance, but not the best out there. It is what it is. When people want to throw 30k additional into their brand new Z to make it a 600hp monster, you kinda have to ask why you're doing it.
If it's for drag racing, then ok that's cool, but this car just isn't set up so well for it and you'll have to pay huge money to make it good at it.
If it's for road coarses, are you going to be able to use all 600hp? Does it make sense to have that much power on a road coarse on this platform? On other cars yeah maybe. IMO you better be a damn good driver cause high HP cars are not easy to control on a road coarse unless they're designed from the ground up to manage all that power - which the Z just isn't
What about autoX? You barely use 2nd gear
Street racing? it's mainly drag racing and highway racing. The Z is actually not too bad at highway racing since most people have traction in 4th gear and higher even with a lot of HP
With drag racing it's all about hp and traction
You can get a million HP - well if you can find a way to work around the cooling system on the engine above 600whp.
You can even get some traction if you use huge racing tires and an LSD
But the gearbox isn't setup for drag racing. Some of the heavy hitter drag racers don't use the Z transmission. They use Turbo 400 transmissions or whatever or I'd even guess they might redo the gearing to make taller gears. Maybe a really conservative final drive would is all you need with 600+whp, i dunno
The car doesn't have a rear engine layout, or AWD, or solid drive axel, or room for enormous 345mm tires, nor is the transmission mounted in the rear - or even any other engine bay parts like the battery.
The Z isn't known for a drag racing history - the 300TT is obviously, cause well look at it. Nissan offers a "track" model and has big brakes like those intended for road coarses. Drag racers don't want huge brakes
IMO I actually agree. I think small FI or NA is the better route for this car unless you get extremely serious with turning your Z into a hardcore track/drag racer and do want to dump some big money into it.
Whenever I go over to the LS1 or corvette forums and do a search to see what people there are saying about the 350Z, every time they always say how they're just not that fast in a straight line. Now some of those guys have raced some of our 500whp people probably from these boards and give respect to them - it's usually always highway race where the Z would have traction and have an advantage with strong gearing.
It gets depressing reading about how those guys dog the Z. It makes me want 500whp to crush them and justify that the Z is good car. They only talk about straight line speed. If someone brings up turning, most of those guys have never been on a road coarse or did and didn't like it cause their cars didn't turn so well or who knows maybe they drove off the track. They blow off any turning advantage the Z has as being unimportant.
I'm on the elise forums a lot too and none of them actually bash the Z too much. They like the car for the most part, but think it's numb feeling and heavy - and in comparison to the elise, what wouldn't be? Most of what those guys talk about is turning. They don't care so much about straight line speed and most don't drag race their cars - they go to a road coarse.
The Z is a well rounded car. Did you buy it to be an exotic car crusher cause it's never going to be without changing it almost beyond what the car originally was which was a nice looking well rounded car with good all round performance.
the great thing about the car is it can go in any direction and be decent at it be it drag racing or road coarses. A muslce car's greatest strength is it's straight line speed. The elise's strength is its turning. The Z is good at both, but not great. It gives you the total sports car experience. It's decently fast in a straight line, it's turns decently, it looks like a sports car, it's not that expensive compared to most sports cars, and there's huge aftermarket support for the car which is about a 50/50 rice/track people ratio
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yeah to me, these cars have a really close gear ratio transmission with hugely agressive gears which means it's setup for road coarses or autox and not so much drag racing.
These cars can be made lighter, but not THAT much lighter unless it becomes a flat out track car and the entire car is stripped of everything normal like side windows etc
So in a way, you just have to accept that this car is a good platform for performance, but not the best out there. It is what it is. When people want to throw 30k additional into their brand new Z to make it a 600hp monster, you kinda have to ask why you're doing it.
If it's for drag racing, then ok that's cool, but this car just isn't set up so well for it and you'll have to pay huge money to make it good at it.
If it's for road coarses, are you going to be able to use all 600hp? Does it make sense to have that much power on a road coarse on this platform? On other cars yeah maybe. IMO you better be a damn good driver cause high HP cars are not easy to control on a road coarse unless they're designed from the ground up to manage all that power - which the Z just isn't
What about autoX? You barely use 2nd gear
Street racing? it's mainly drag racing and highway racing. The Z is actually not too bad at highway racing since most people have traction in 4th gear and higher even with a lot of HP
With drag racing it's all about hp and traction
Torque and traction..
You can get a million HP - well if you can find a way to work around the cooling system on the engine above 600whp.
You can even get some traction if you use huge racing tires and an LSD
And carbon clutch. However, parts can only do so much, 75+% of racing, IMO, is driver experience and skill.
But the gearbox isn't setup for drag racing. Some of the heavy hitter drag racers don't use the Z transmission. They use Turbo 400 transmissions or whatever or I'd even guess they might redo the gearing to make taller gears. Maybe a really conservative final drive would is all you need with 600+whp, i dunno
There is really only one team using that. We haven't had a chance to see what setups everyone will be using in the future. Heck, the highest street whp 350Z is in the shop getting worked on, as are the others right behind it (that, or the drivers just don't bother going to the track).
The car doesn't have a rear engine layout, or AWD, or solid drive axel, or room for enormous 345mm tires, nor is the transmission mounted in the rear - or even any other engine bay parts like the battery.
The Z isn't known for a drag racing history - the 300TT is obviously, cause well look at it. Nissan offers a "track" model and has big brakes like those intended for road coarses. Drag racers don't want huge brakes
IMO I actually agree. I think small FI or NA is the better route for this car unless you get extremely serious with turning your Z into a hardcore track/drag racer and do want to dump some big money into it.
Whenever I go over to the LS1 or corvette forums and do a search to see what people there are saying about the 350Z, every time they always say how they're just not that fast in a straight line. Now some of those guys have raced some of our 500whp people probably from these boards and give respect to them - it's usually always highway race where the Z would have traction and have an advantage with strong gearing.
It gets depressing reading about how those guys dog the Z. It makes me want 500whp to crush them and justify that the Z is good car. They only talk about straight line speed. If someone brings up turning, most of those guys have never been on a road coarse or did and didn't like it cause their cars didn't turn so well or who knows maybe they drove off the track. They blow off any turning advantage the Z has as being unimportant.
I'm on the elise forums a lot too and none of them actually bash the Z too much. They like the car for the most part, but think it's numb feeling and heavy - and in comparison to the elise, what wouldn't be? Most of what those guys talk about is turning. They don't care so much about straight line speed and most don't drag race their cars - they go to a road coarse.
The Z is a well rounded car. Did you buy it to be an exotic car crusher cause it's never going to be without changing it almost beyond what the car originally was which was a nice looking well rounded car with good all round performance.
the great thing about the car is it can go in any direction and be decent at it be it drag racing or road coarses. A muslce car's greatest strength is it's straight line speed. The elise's strength is its turning. The Z is good at both, but not great. It gives you the total sports car experience. It's decently fast in a straight line, it's turns decently, it looks like a sports car, it's not that expensive compared to most sports cars, and there's huge aftermarket support for the car which is about a 50/50 rice/track people ratio
These cars can be made lighter, but not THAT much lighter unless it becomes a flat out track car and the entire car is stripped of everything normal like side windows etc
So in a way, you just have to accept that this car is a good platform for performance, but not the best out there. It is what it is. When people want to throw 30k additional into their brand new Z to make it a 600hp monster, you kinda have to ask why you're doing it.
If it's for drag racing, then ok that's cool, but this car just isn't set up so well for it and you'll have to pay huge money to make it good at it.
If it's for road coarses, are you going to be able to use all 600hp? Does it make sense to have that much power on a road coarse on this platform? On other cars yeah maybe. IMO you better be a damn good driver cause high HP cars are not easy to control on a road coarse unless they're designed from the ground up to manage all that power - which the Z just isn't
What about autoX? You barely use 2nd gear
Street racing? it's mainly drag racing and highway racing. The Z is actually not too bad at highway racing since most people have traction in 4th gear and higher even with a lot of HP
With drag racing it's all about hp and traction
Torque and traction..
You can get a million HP - well if you can find a way to work around the cooling system on the engine above 600whp.
You can even get some traction if you use huge racing tires and an LSD
And carbon clutch. However, parts can only do so much, 75+% of racing, IMO, is driver experience and skill.
But the gearbox isn't setup for drag racing. Some of the heavy hitter drag racers don't use the Z transmission. They use Turbo 400 transmissions or whatever or I'd even guess they might redo the gearing to make taller gears. Maybe a really conservative final drive would is all you need with 600+whp, i dunno
There is really only one team using that. We haven't had a chance to see what setups everyone will be using in the future. Heck, the highest street whp 350Z is in the shop getting worked on, as are the others right behind it (that, or the drivers just don't bother going to the track).
The car doesn't have a rear engine layout, or AWD, or solid drive axel, or room for enormous 345mm tires, nor is the transmission mounted in the rear - or even any other engine bay parts like the battery.
The Z isn't known for a drag racing history - the 300TT is obviously, cause well look at it. Nissan offers a "track" model and has big brakes like those intended for road coarses. Drag racers don't want huge brakes
IMO I actually agree. I think small FI or NA is the better route for this car unless you get extremely serious with turning your Z into a hardcore track/drag racer and do want to dump some big money into it.
Whenever I go over to the LS1 or corvette forums and do a search to see what people there are saying about the 350Z, every time they always say how they're just not that fast in a straight line. Now some of those guys have raced some of our 500whp people probably from these boards and give respect to them - it's usually always highway race where the Z would have traction and have an advantage with strong gearing.
It gets depressing reading about how those guys dog the Z. It makes me want 500whp to crush them and justify that the Z is good car. They only talk about straight line speed. If someone brings up turning, most of those guys have never been on a road coarse or did and didn't like it cause their cars didn't turn so well or who knows maybe they drove off the track. They blow off any turning advantage the Z has as being unimportant.
I'm on the elise forums a lot too and none of them actually bash the Z too much. They like the car for the most part, but think it's numb feeling and heavy - and in comparison to the elise, what wouldn't be? Most of what those guys talk about is turning. They don't care so much about straight line speed and most don't drag race their cars - they go to a road coarse.
The Z is a well rounded car. Did you buy it to be an exotic car crusher cause it's never going to be without changing it almost beyond what the car originally was which was a nice looking well rounded car with good all round performance.
the great thing about the car is it can go in any direction and be decent at it be it drag racing or road coarses. A muslce car's greatest strength is it's straight line speed. The elise's strength is its turning. The Z is good at both, but not great. It gives you the total sports car experience. It's decently fast in a straight line, it's turns decently, it looks like a sports car, it's not that expensive compared to most sports cars, and there's huge aftermarket support for the car which is about a 50/50 rice/track people ratio
Just to clarify, the LS1 in the F-Body is not a muscle car, it is a pony car.
Also, I think you're making judgments that can't be made at this time. Only time will tell if the stock rods will actually hold 500rwhp for a sustained period of time, if there really are cooling issues, how fast 500+rwhp setups will run in the hands of a driver that prefers the drag track, whether 300rwhp can be obtained while N/A for less money, etc.
It's just probability. Over time the combinations of parts and people that will dyno those combinations increases as well as those that will try to reach 500+ on stock block and how many have cooling issues.
Maybe we should convince a billionaire to buy 3 350Z's, and combine every performance part, and dyno each combo to end these speculations.
To me, if I were to pick a car that the Z should use as a role model, it'd be a ferrari or porsche.
neither of those are usually faster than 12's in the 1/4 mile. They're known for speed and handling, not just speed alone like a 10 sec dragster supra or whatever
neither of those are usually faster than 12's in the 1/4 mile. They're known for speed and handling, not just speed alone like a 10 sec dragster supra or whatever
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To me, if I were to pick a car that the Z should use as a role model, it'd be a ferrari or porsche.
neither of those are usually faster than 12's in the 1/4 mile. They're known for speed and handling, not just speed alone like a 10 sec dragster supra or whatever
neither of those are usually faster than 12's in the 1/4 mile. They're known for speed and handling, not just speed alone like a 10 sec dragster supra or whatever
I agree. Just the NEW Skyline is going to be the beast to that
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Originally Posted by sentry65
To me, if I were to pick a car that the Z should use as a role model, it'd be a ferrari or porsche.
neither of those are usually faster than 12's in the 1/4 mile. They're known for speed and handling, not just speed alone like a 10 sec dragster supra or whatever
neither of those are usually faster than 12's in the 1/4 mile. They're known for speed and handling, not just speed alone like a 10 sec dragster supra or whatever
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I'm close to 345 crank hp by my estimates.
I'm going to lighten up the car some and a few more hp and see how it feels.
If I'm still not happy, I might do a vortech kit
I'm going to lighten up the car some and a few more hp and see how it feels.
If I'm still not happy, I might do a vortech kit
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Supra's have a worse setup than the Z.
Argue that with this guy
https://my350z.com/forum/street/131425-what-have-you-guys-raced-2.html
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Originally Posted by ihatethatbobbarker
stop calling the gtr the skyline, its wrong and its confusing, the g35=skyline, uhg
There identical from the test pictures. Easily confused. And the GTR is going to be a "Replacement" for the old Nissan skyline. SO TAKE IT EASY!!!!!
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There identical from the test pictures. Easily confused. And the GTR is going to be a "Replacement" for the old Nissan skyline. SO TAKE IT EASY!!!!!
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There identical from the test pictures. Easily confused. And the GTR is going to be a "Replacement" for the old Nissan skyline. SO TAKE IT EASY!!!!!
and now i am going to be mean
the skyline has been a mid level sedan thats slightly sporty since almost its creation, think maxima with rwd. they offer a coupe option and a turbo more recently. GTR is just the top trim level like an m3. nissan has said for YEARS now that the GTR is going to be its own car seperate from the skyline. YEARS!
the g35 in those pictures everywhere is just a test bed for the technology.
make sure your right before you tell someone they are wrong
http://www2.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE/top.html theres your damn skyline.
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What happened to going with APS TT?
adding 100 lbs to the front of the car
having way more power than the car can get traction for. Just sitting there spinning tires seems counter productive and I'm not going to be using race tires. Everyone I've talked to with TT kits say they can't get good traction. Even in video games when you give the Z a ton of HP and wide tires etc, it still just spins out the tires.
Reading the article in SPEED magazine it was interesting that on street tires, the supercharger kits were just as fast as the TT kits for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. I'm sure if the TT kits had racing tires, they'd eat the supercharger cars, but for the 98% of the time when I'm daily driving my car, I'm not goign to be running race tires.
I could still go TT later if I want.
I think if I go TT it'll be the JWT kit
I'm more interested in supercharging at this point because they weigh less, cost a lot less, install easier, and I don't have to sell off my headers and go thru all that labor. The vortech is the kit I have my eye on.
That said, I'm probably going to stay NA for a bit longer. Get my car tuned with the Emanage ultimate. Go ahead and buy a return fuel system, I got a killer deal on some 440 injectors, fuel pump etc. So my Fuel system will be overkill for NA, but it for sure will have consistent fuel delivery and in no way be close to be maxed out.
Who knows, I might decide to go with ITB's and long tube headers. Combined with my 3.9 gearing and tilton clutch, my car should still be a pretty good performer considering how close to 300whp I'll already be. If I go that route, I'm not adding 70-100lbs of FI to the front of the car.
So I'm going to focus on NA for now. Get a rollcage, some racing seats, 5pt harness, and cut as much weight as I can. Then I'm hoping to have a car that I can beat the crap out of and be reletivly bomb proof vs a delicate high maintenance FI car where if I were to blow the engine, I might not have $7000-8000 lying around to replace the engine.
I'd like to do internals on the engine when I do FI and right now handling is way too much of a priority to me. I'm not going to be one of the guys who does a built engine with a TT kit doint 500whp with no LSD, small crappy tires, stock suspension etc where the car might go fast if it had traction but won't hook up until 4th gear. Meanwhile the car won't handle well at all either because all the money was spent on hp and not cornering or traction.
I haven't counted FI out yet, but if I do go for it, I'm going to work my way up to it and make sure my car has no real weakness while doing it
When I did my NA power mods, I did them all at the same time cause I wanted to get everything tuned right with techonosquare, now which I'm really disappointed I used their flash cause it does nothing but cause a SES light. I did all the power mods at the same time in the name of saving install money and getting it all tuned in one shot. I didn't have enough money to address handling or more traction and that was something that totally sucked. I would spin out my tires after 5000rpm on the stock tires.
I tracked the car and was really wishing my car had a better suspension and better tires. So now I'm going to make my setup right and work on my driving. Once I'm comfortable and have more money, I'll think about going FI.
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Originally Posted by ihatethatbobbarker
WRONG
and now i am going to be mean
the skyline has been a mid level sedan thats slightly sporty since almost its creation, think maxima with rwd. they offer a coupe option and a turbo more recently. GTR is just the top trim level like an m3. nissan has said for YEARS now that the GTR is going to be its own car seperate from the skyline. YEARS!
the g35 in those pictures everywhere is just a test bed for the technology.
make sure your right before you tell someone they are wrong
http://www2.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE/top.html theres your damn skyline.
and now i am going to be mean
the skyline has been a mid level sedan thats slightly sporty since almost its creation, think maxima with rwd. they offer a coupe option and a turbo more recently. GTR is just the top trim level like an m3. nissan has said for YEARS now that the GTR is going to be its own car seperate from the skyline. YEARS!
the g35 in those pictures everywhere is just a test bed for the technology.
make sure your right before you tell someone they are wrong
http://www2.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE/top.html theres your damn skyline.
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adding 100 lbs to the front of the car
having way more power than the car can get traction for. Just sitting there spinning tires seems counter productive and I'm not going to be using race tires. Everyone I've talked to with TT kits say they can't get good traction. Even in video games when you give the Z a ton of HP and wide tires etc, it still just spins out the tires.
How many of them have done a LSD and/or clutch + tried to improve their driving skills though?
Reading the article in SPEED magazine it was interesting that on street tires, the supercharger kits were just as fast as the TT kits for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. I'm sure if the TT kits had racing tires, they'd eat the supercharger cars, but for the 98% of the time when I'm daily driving my car, I'm not goign to be running race tires.
Wouldn't base your choice off of a magazine such as Speed.
I could still go TT later if I want.
I think if I go TT it'll be the JWT kit
I'm more interested in supercharging at this point because they weigh less, cost a lot less, install easier, and I don't have to sell off my headers and go thru all that labor. The vortech is the kit I have my eye on.
That said, I'm probably going to stay NA for a bit longer. Get my car tuned with the Emanage ultimate. Go ahead and buy a return fuel system, I got a killer deal on some 440 injectors, fuel pump etc. So my Fuel system will be overkill for NA, but it for sure will have consistent fuel delivery and in no way be close to be maxed out.
Who knows, I might decide to go with ITB's and long tube headers. Combined with my 3.9 gearing and tilton clutch, my car should still be a pretty good performer considering how close to 300whp I'll already be. If I go that route, I'm not adding 70-100lbs of FI to the front of the car.
So I'm going to focus on NA for now. Get a rollcage, some racing seats, 5pt harness, and cut as much weight as I can. Then I'm hoping to have a car that I can beat the crap out of and be reletivly bomb proof vs a delicate high maintenance FI car where if I were to blow the engine, I might not have $7000-8000 lying around to replace the engine.
This is why I don't like it when people trash kits in their blown motor thread. Even Peter agrees that 380rwhp can be achieved reliably with the right setup and PROPER tuning.
BTW, it'd only be around $5k or less to replace the engine.
I'd like to do internals on the engine when I do FI and right now handling is way too much of a priority to me. I'm not going to be one of the guys who does a built engine with a TT kit doint 500whp with no LSD, small crappy tires, stock suspension etc where the car might go fast if it had traction but won't hook up until 4th gear. Meanwhile the car won't handle well at all either because all the money was spent on hp and not cornering or traction.
Great idea, I definitely suggest doing suspension mods and handling mods first. It will change the whole feeling of the car and only makes F/I more insane!
I haven't counted FI out yet, but if I do go for it, I'm going to work my way up to it and make sure my car has no real weakness while doing it
When I did my NA power mods, I did them all at the same time cause I wanted to get everything tuned right with techonosquare, now which I'm really disappointed I used their flash cause it does nothing but cause a SES light. I did all the power mods at the same time in the name of saving install money and getting it all tuned in one shot. I didn't have enough money to address handling or more traction and that was something that totally sucked. I would spin out my tires after 5000rpm on the stock tires.
I tracked the car and was really wishing my car had a better suspension and better tires. So now I'm going to make my setup right and work on my driving. Once I'm comfortable and have more money, I'll think about going FI.
having way more power than the car can get traction for. Just sitting there spinning tires seems counter productive and I'm not going to be using race tires. Everyone I've talked to with TT kits say they can't get good traction. Even in video games when you give the Z a ton of HP and wide tires etc, it still just spins out the tires.
How many of them have done a LSD and/or clutch + tried to improve their driving skills though?
Reading the article in SPEED magazine it was interesting that on street tires, the supercharger kits were just as fast as the TT kits for 0-60 and 1/4 mile times. I'm sure if the TT kits had racing tires, they'd eat the supercharger cars, but for the 98% of the time when I'm daily driving my car, I'm not goign to be running race tires.
Wouldn't base your choice off of a magazine such as Speed.
I could still go TT later if I want.
I think if I go TT it'll be the JWT kit
I'm more interested in supercharging at this point because they weigh less, cost a lot less, install easier, and I don't have to sell off my headers and go thru all that labor. The vortech is the kit I have my eye on.
That said, I'm probably going to stay NA for a bit longer. Get my car tuned with the Emanage ultimate. Go ahead and buy a return fuel system, I got a killer deal on some 440 injectors, fuel pump etc. So my Fuel system will be overkill for NA, but it for sure will have consistent fuel delivery and in no way be close to be maxed out.
Who knows, I might decide to go with ITB's and long tube headers. Combined with my 3.9 gearing and tilton clutch, my car should still be a pretty good performer considering how close to 300whp I'll already be. If I go that route, I'm not adding 70-100lbs of FI to the front of the car.
So I'm going to focus on NA for now. Get a rollcage, some racing seats, 5pt harness, and cut as much weight as I can. Then I'm hoping to have a car that I can beat the crap out of and be reletivly bomb proof vs a delicate high maintenance FI car where if I were to blow the engine, I might not have $7000-8000 lying around to replace the engine.
This is why I don't like it when people trash kits in their blown motor thread. Even Peter agrees that 380rwhp can be achieved reliably with the right setup and PROPER tuning.
BTW, it'd only be around $5k or less to replace the engine.
I'd like to do internals on the engine when I do FI and right now handling is way too much of a priority to me. I'm not going to be one of the guys who does a built engine with a TT kit doint 500whp with no LSD, small crappy tires, stock suspension etc where the car might go fast if it had traction but won't hook up until 4th gear. Meanwhile the car won't handle well at all either because all the money was spent on hp and not cornering or traction.
Great idea, I definitely suggest doing suspension mods and handling mods first. It will change the whole feeling of the car and only makes F/I more insane!
I haven't counted FI out yet, but if I do go for it, I'm going to work my way up to it and make sure my car has no real weakness while doing it
When I did my NA power mods, I did them all at the same time cause I wanted to get everything tuned right with techonosquare, now which I'm really disappointed I used their flash cause it does nothing but cause a SES light. I did all the power mods at the same time in the name of saving install money and getting it all tuned in one shot. I didn't have enough money to address handling or more traction and that was something that totally sucked. I would spin out my tires after 5000rpm on the stock tires.
I tracked the car and was really wishing my car had a better suspension and better tires. So now I'm going to make my setup right and work on my driving. Once I'm comfortable and have more money, I'll think about going FI.
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