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12-19-2002, 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by 350Zebra
The single turbo needs some N20 to help that lag. I hope the lag on the twins for the 350Z arent that bad.
The single turbo needs some N20 to help that lag. I hope the lag on the twins for the 350Z arent that bad.
I am assuming the TT Supras do not suffer the same lag problems
12-19-2002, 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Slareau02
Ahh. I didn't know that the VQ35DE was open deck! That sucks! If only it was closed deck....mmmmm
Ahh. I didn't know that the VQ35DE was open deck! That sucks! If only it was closed deck....mmmmm
12-19-2002, 05:35 PM
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Originally posted by Loaded_Pistol
Can you explain the difference performance wise?
Can you explain the difference performance wise?
PE labels it as a TT set up, but the Turbos are not seqential. There is one turbo per bank. So it is kinda like a single turbo set up. They probably used a turbo that isn't to large so it will spool quiker, but since there is two it should make decent power. F'n cool look'n set up.
12-19-2002, 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by '03Z
It is more of a strength issue than a preformance one. It realy isn't that big of a deal though, people will just have to get their blocks sleaved.
It is more of a strength issue than a preformance one. It realy isn't that big of a deal though, people will just have to get their blocks sleaved.
BTW..the engine is open deck AND aluminum....I will probably be boosting 8psi MAX. But HA! Thatll be good for like 70hp, and then have the amuse system, CAI, ECU, underdrives... were talking 400 flywheel here. YUMMY!
12-19-2002, 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by roberto350z
I think it IS a big deal for most people. People are always talking about stock internals....I for one could not justify the engine work ABOVE the cost for the turbos.
BTW..the engine is open deck AND aluminum....I will probably be boosting 8psi MAX. But HA! Thatll be good for like 70hp, and then have the amuse system, CAI, ECU, underdrives... were talking 400 flywheel here. YUMMY!
I think it IS a big deal for most people. People are always talking about stock internals....I for one could not justify the engine work ABOVE the cost for the turbos.
BTW..the engine is open deck AND aluminum....I will probably be boosting 8psi MAX. But HA! Thatll be good for like 70hp, and then have the amuse system, CAI, ECU, underdrives... were talking 400 flywheel here. YUMMY!
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12-19-2002, 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by Loaded_Pistol
Will there be options for TT and "single T" available???
Major Price difference. Single Turbo Supras go up to 600- 700hp, which I've personally seen myself.
Will there be options for TT and "single T" available???
Major Price difference. Single Turbo Supras go up to 600- 700hp, which I've personally seen myself.
12-19-2002, 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Monkey Man
Just for reference. I had a Greddy 18G kit on my Civic, which had higher compression than our 350Z engine, and was also an open deck engine. I was able to add about 100whp on a conservative tune @ 10psi on a single 18G. So, I would think that 2 18G's (or similarly sized turbos) at 7-8 psi would definitely put the Z close to 400rwhp. As long as it is getting enough fuel, and we have a way to control the timing, there should not be any problems. I just hope the rest of the car can hold the power.
Just for reference. I had a Greddy 18G kit on my Civic, which had higher compression than our 350Z engine, and was also an open deck engine. I was able to add about 100whp on a conservative tune @ 10psi on a single 18G. So, I would think that 2 18G's (or similarly sized turbos) at 7-8 psi would definitely put the Z close to 400rwhp. As long as it is getting enough fuel, and we have a way to control the timing, there should not be any problems. I just hope the rest of the car can hold the power.
Serious, I made added 100whp on a stock b16 at just 8psi, and it wasn't even tuned. This thing should make very good power.
"I think it IS a big deal for most people. People are always talking about stock internals....I for one could not justify the engine work ABOVE the cost for the turbos."
Hey this sh*t cost money, those who are not willing to spend it either end up with a car that is not as great as they like or not working. In my experence you either do it right or don't bother. You may not be able to justify it, but I don't have a problem spending 800 for sleeves. It is a lot cheaper than a new block.
12-19-2002, 11:52 PM
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Originally posted by TeamRedline808
Actually the fastest Supras in the world are single turbo.
Actually the fastest Supras in the world are single turbo.
12-20-2002, 12:26 AM
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I think you will find it similar to the Maxima, 7 psi without a I/C max, and 10-11 with an intercooler. Obviously fuel and timing are an issue. I would hope that whoever comes out with a kit will address those issues. I do not think you will need sleeves at 11 psi, and if you are going to go through the trouble to add sleeves, then you might as well add lower comp. piston and new rods.
I personally will stay in the 10psi range with a big FMIC....
I personally will stay in the 10psi range with a big FMIC....
12-20-2002, 05:43 AM
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I think you will find it similar to the Maxima, 7 psi without a I/C max, and 10-11 with an intercooler.
I think you will find it similar to the Maxima, 7 psi without a I/C max, and 10-11 with an intercooler.
12-20-2002, 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by MardiGrasMax
Their are numerous Maxima VQ30's running in the 10-11psi with out an intercooler using SC kits that have not had any internal engine issues. I run 13.5 with out an intercooler, I pull ~1 degree of timing per psi of boost starting at ~10psi using a J&S Ultra Safeguard, I never see knock on my J&S knock monitor with it set like that. With an intercooler the timing retard may not be necessary, but for $600 the J&S Ultra Safeguard is allot cheeper than an intercooler and will save the motor if the knock where to get out of control by using the knock sensor readings to retard timing. The Maxima factory timing is VERY conservative, I bet the 350Z is MUCH more agressive. On a turbo I'd say ineter cooler for sure though
Their are numerous Maxima VQ30's running in the 10-11psi with out an intercooler using SC kits that have not had any internal engine issues. I run 13.5 with out an intercooler, I pull ~1 degree of timing per psi of boost starting at ~10psi using a J&S Ultra Safeguard, I never see knock on my J&S knock monitor with it set like that. With an intercooler the timing retard may not be necessary, but for $600 the J&S Ultra Safeguard is allot cheeper than an intercooler and will save the motor if the knock where to get out of control by using the knock sensor readings to retard timing. The Maxima factory timing is VERY conservative, I bet the 350Z is MUCH more agressive. On a turbo I'd say ineter cooler for sure though
To the the guy ranting about "do it right or dont do it all", I think you missed what I was saying. I said most people would like to go the turbo route with stock internals. The whole conversation that I was responding to was "how much without opening the engine?" I want to see how much....I dont care that putting sleeves in will allow 18psi of boost or whatever, that wasnt the point.
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Originally posted by '03Z
It is more of a strength issue than a preformance one. It realy isn't that big of a deal though, people will just have to get their blocks sleaved.
PE labels it as a TT set up, but the Turbos are not seqential. There is one turbo per bank. So it is kinda like a single turbo set up. They probably used a turbo that isn't to large so it will spool quiker, but since there is two it should make decent power. F'n cool look'n set up.
It is more of a strength issue than a preformance one. It realy isn't that big of a deal though, people will just have to get their blocks sleaved.
PE labels it as a TT set up, but the Turbos are not seqential. There is one turbo per bank. So it is kinda like a single turbo set up. They probably used a turbo that isn't to large so it will spool quiker, but since there is two it should make decent power. F'n cool look'n set up.
01-01-2003, 09:36 AM
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A single turbo on a 350Z and a single on a Supra are packaged entirely different! A supra has an Inline 6 cylinder whereas the Z is a V6. To do a single on a Z you would have to put the turbo off of one manifold and run a crossover tube to the other manifold. I am not sure if there is sufficent room to run the piping. I would MUCH rather have a well packaged twin turbo setup on a Z. The supra is different, just one manifold for all 6 cylinders hence much easier to package.
I think a complete TT setup ( turbos,piping,clamps, wastegate, BOV, tuning, fuel supply etc ) for the Z should cost in the 5K range.
Justin
I think a complete TT setup ( turbos,piping,clamps, wastegate, BOV, tuning, fuel supply etc ) for the Z should cost in the 5K range.
Justin
01-01-2003, 03:03 PM
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But what would be more reliable a twin turbo or a super?
But what would be more reliable a twin turbo or a super?
01-01-2003, 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Jsears8
I think a complete TT setup ( turbos,piping,clamps, wastegate, BOV, tuning, fuel supply etc ) for the Z should cost in the 5K range.
Justin
I think a complete TT setup ( turbos,piping,clamps, wastegate, BOV, tuning, fuel supply etc ) for the Z should cost in the 5K range.
Justin
only 5k
i think ur dreamin again
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