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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 06:12 AM
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no thats not what he posted at all....if you free up rotational weight, be it driveline components, clutch, pistons, rods, wheels, axles, and anything else that needs to spin in order for the power to get to the ground, you improve efficiency. By improving efficiency, you are using less joules (ie work) to do the same job, meaning that you waste less power. So, the motor is cranking out the same power as it did before...but now, for arguments sake, if you had a 20% drivetrain loss previously, you are now at, let's say, 15%. Again, not finite numbers, just an example.

Now...any other weight you free up from stationary parts (suspension components, body panels, sound deadening, etc) will also make the car quicker in a spring, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc etc. Again, simple physics. If you have 300 hp moving a 3500 lb object, and 300 hp moving a 3100 lb object (assuming gearing and final drive are the same), the 3100 lb object will move easier and stop easier.

How much does it improve things? Well, it's in the eye of the beholder. last year Sport Compact Car had an article about lightening the Z. In order to remove 400 lbs, they had to resort to heavily drastic measures. Yes the car became quicker, but it also lost all sense of being a car at that point. How crazy you elect to go is totally up to you. For a street car, I personally do not see the point
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Old Oct 12, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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I cant wait to see who buys that car and see how dissapointed they are when they race another stock Z and only beat it by a car leangth. Oh well im glad im not buying it
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by jvanquish
Well...
I think he added the hp he freed up by saving weight off the body, crank and rotational...
ie, flywheel and pulley kits free up hp, lighter components free up hp, rims free up hp compared to heavier non-forged ones... etc etc... but it still wont add up to that amount though...
from a 10lb/hp freed up..

you are a ****ing moron! less weight doesnt mean more horsepower! the more weight you lose, the better throttle responce and accellaration you get but not more horses.the theory is that for every 130lbs you drop, you gain the EQUIVALENT of 1 horsepower! this is where weight to power ratio comes in, because you are not gaining more power,just eccelaration. do your research dummy!
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
no thats not what he posted at all....if you free up rotational weight, be it driveline components, clutch, pistons, rods, wheels, axles, and anything else that needs to spin in order for the power to get to the ground, you improve efficiency. By improving efficiency, you are using less joules (ie work) to do the same job, meaning that you waste less power. So, the motor is cranking out the same power as it did before...but now, for arguments sake, if you had a 20% drivetrain loss previously, you are now at, let's say, 15%. Again, not finite numbers, just an example.

Now...any other weight you free up from stationary parts (suspension components, body panels, sound deadening, etc) will also make the car quicker in a spring, 0-60, 1/4 mile, etc etc. Again, simple physics. If you have 300 hp moving a 3500 lb object, and 300 hp moving a 3100 lb object (assuming gearing and final drive are the same), the 3100 lb object will move easier and stop easier.

How much does it improve things? Well, it's in the eye of the beholder. last year Sport Compact Car had an article about lightening the Z. In order to remove 400 lbs, they had to resort to heavily drastic measures. Yes the car became quicker, but it also lost all sense of being a car at that point. How crazy you elect to go is totally up to you. For a street car, I personally do not see the point
I agree with using more of your power by lightining up drivetrain components, but he said suspension and lighter wheels creat "horsepower" when it only helps use that power better just like the drivetrain lightining but not as effectivly.but I completely agree with you.I am not the normal user on this username on the Z forums. I actually dont even own one but was getting on a friends username to see if I can help him find out some more info on his car,so please dont bash him tommorow thinkin it was me.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by babbagandu
i thought this was cool. NA z making 380hp. he said 400+ at the flywheel, so im assuming the 380 is at the wheels

here

Why is everyone still reading this guy's posts? He's the "cya ***s" guy.> https://my350z.com/forum/the-lounge-off-topic/148128-cya-fags.html
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 05:15 PM
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Forget him guys. He'll get banned soon enough.
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Old Oct 19, 2005 | 05:58 PM
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He's also the "where's the spare tire guy" and the "is this(with out a doubt a scam) a good deal guy". Check his threads.
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Old Oct 20, 2005 | 03:59 PM
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Easily over 400 what a laugh.

Chromed Nismo Wheels??? They are factory Nisssan wheels. I dont trust this guy as far as I can throw my Z.
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 07:48 AM
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OMG.. LOL.. funniest thing ive ever seen....

check this out... this cant be true either..

www.ultimatez.com

go to that site and go to performance.. see the chart.. it says with the vortech if u go stage 5 or whatever u can get over 500hp??

see if thats true.. i doubt it

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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 1fastz4sure
OMG.. LOL.. funniest thing ive ever seen....

check this out... this cant be true either..

www.ultimatez.com

go to that site and go to performance.. see the chart.. it says with the vortech if u go stage 5 or whatever u can get over 500hp??

see if thats true.. i doubt it

Actually i believe it. There is a guy on the site that has over 457HP with the vortech setup with all stock bottom end. https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....hlight=vortech And you never know they might be measuring that at the flywheel also. I would not doubt it for one second that they can get 500HP outta that kit. What they fail to mention is all the upgrades you have to do to get 500HP. lol But yes i do believe that.

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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 1FlyZ
Actually i believe it. There is a guy on the site that has over 457HP with the vortech setup with all stock bottom end. https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....hlight=vortech And you never know they might be measuring that at the flywheel also. I would not doubt it for one second that they can get 500HP outta that kit. What they fail to mention is all the upgrades you have to do to get 500HP. lol But yes i do believe that.
is that at the crank ?

has to be right?
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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whoops.. i just read it.. thats at the wheels?

holy..$#$%^
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Old Oct 26, 2005 | 07:38 PM
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hm....could it be possible to et 400whp with N/A? well im sure it would be but how much would it cost?
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Old Oct 28, 2005 | 03:29 AM
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It would cost more than just doing F/I. lol Def. not worth it
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