***electric Supercharger?***
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***electric Supercharger?***
Hello, I was recently browsing through an Import Tuner Mag and found an add for an electric supercharger. I know, very strange. Well I am curious about this product but also feel like it is a scam. There is a model for 1psi and one for 1.7psi. I know this isnt much but they are only about 300 dollars. Which also isnt much. So please check this out and give some feedback.
www.electricsupercharger.com
www.electricsupercharger.com
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Originally Posted by shifty711
Hello, I was recently browsing through an Import Tuner Mag and found an add for an electric supercharger. I know, very strange. Well I am curious about this product but also feel like it is a scam. There is a model for 1psi and one for 1.7psi. I know this isnt much but they are only about 300 dollars. Which also isnt much. So please check this out and give some feedback.
www.electricsupercharger.com
www.electricsupercharger.com
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Originally Posted by jnkirk1974
Can you say "T....U....R....B....O....N....A.....T....O.....R"?
It wierd. I dont know. They even have a Nopi 350z sponsered by them on the website. Just check out the website and tell me what you think.
first of all. 1psi=negligible. It's like throwing on a CAI, you'd almost never feel it.
For another thing, an electric supercharger doesn't flow enough cfm to give a fly a hard time. You could show me an electric supercharger that makes 20psi, but again I bet you it won't flow more than like 5cfm, which won't do squat and will probably lose power on you.
Common sense much anyways?
For another thing, an electric supercharger doesn't flow enough cfm to give a fly a hard time. You could show me an electric supercharger that makes 20psi, but again I bet you it won't flow more than like 5cfm, which won't do squat and will probably lose power on you.
Common sense much anyways?
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Originally Posted by jvanquish
its a good way to take stupid people's money
Damn this Performance game. If you want to win, Cut the bull**** and get a TT setup. and drop $6000
there was a thread about some guys who attached a leaf blower to his intake tube. he gained like 10-15 hp and it showed him on the dyno doing it. something like 1.5psi or something like that. i dont know anything about this product, but such ideas CAN produce power
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Originally Posted by chimmike
For another thing, an electric supercharger doesn't flow enough cfm to give a fly a hard time.
Witty remark in the context of even trying to explain why this is a piece of ****... Good Times... LOL
Think of it this way.
If I remember correctly, the Vortech draws somewhere around 60HP from the crank to drive its high efficency compressor to 8 psi. If you assume the turbonator has the same efficency as a vortech compressor you can estimate the power requirement of the electric turbonator at 1 psi.
HP requirement = (1psi/8psi)*60HP = 7.5HP
A 7.5 HP DC electric motor would be huge, heavy and require major electrical power! 1 HP = 750 watts. 7.5HP = 5625 watts
The electric turbonator requires 5625 watts of electrical power from your electrical system. 5625 W / 13.88V = 405 AMPS!
405 AMPS to generate 1PSI of boost and that is assuming Vortech like compressor efficency... If it is fused for 60 amps (832 watts or 1.1HP) the best it can do is ~0.148 psi.
What can 0.148 PSI do?
287HP/1 atmosphere at 14.7 psi = 19.5 HP/psi
0.148 psi = 2.88HP
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
And you can be sure its compressor efficency won't be anywhere close to the Vortechs. I looked at this same a electric supercharger when I was at the SEMA convention and asked for a charecteristic flowrate Vs pressure plot on the product. They had no clue what I was asking for. If they were knowledgeable on the product they would have tested the hell out of it to create such a plot and readily advertised the results. They gotta know there will be engineers out there ready to ask these types of questions.
They tried to show me how much air it would blow through a tube. 1psi delta through a 3 inch tube would have kicked azz. But this certaintly didn't. Unimpressed, I excused myself and walked away.
If I remember correctly, the Vortech draws somewhere around 60HP from the crank to drive its high efficency compressor to 8 psi. If you assume the turbonator has the same efficency as a vortech compressor you can estimate the power requirement of the electric turbonator at 1 psi.
HP requirement = (1psi/8psi)*60HP = 7.5HP
A 7.5 HP DC electric motor would be huge, heavy and require major electrical power! 1 HP = 750 watts. 7.5HP = 5625 watts
The electric turbonator requires 5625 watts of electrical power from your electrical system. 5625 W / 13.88V = 405 AMPS!
405 AMPS to generate 1PSI of boost and that is assuming Vortech like compressor efficency... If it is fused for 60 amps (832 watts or 1.1HP) the best it can do is ~0.148 psi.
What can 0.148 PSI do?
287HP/1 atmosphere at 14.7 psi = 19.5 HP/psi
0.148 psi = 2.88HP
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
And you can be sure its compressor efficency won't be anywhere close to the Vortechs. I looked at this same a electric supercharger when I was at the SEMA convention and asked for a charecteristic flowrate Vs pressure plot on the product. They had no clue what I was asking for. If they were knowledgeable on the product they would have tested the hell out of it to create such a plot and readily advertised the results. They gotta know there will be engineers out there ready to ask these types of questions.
They tried to show me how much air it would blow through a tube. 1psi delta through a 3 inch tube would have kicked azz. But this certaintly didn't. Unimpressed, I excused myself and walked away.
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
Think of it this way.
If I remember correctly, the Vortech draws somewhere around 60HP from the crank to drive its high efficency compressor to 8 psi. If you assume the turbonator has the same efficency as a vortech compressor you can estimate the power requirement of the electric turbonator at 1 psi.
HP requirement = (1psi/8psi)*60HP = 7.5HP
A 7.5 HP DC electric motor would be huge, heavy and require major electrical power! 1 HP = 750 watts. 7.5HP = 5625 watts
The electric turbonator requires 5625 watts of electrical power from your electrical system. 5625 W / 13.88V = 405 AMPS!
405 AMPS to generate 1PSI of boost and that is assuming Vortech like compressor efficency... If it is fused for 60 amps (832 watts or 1.1HP) the best it can do is ~0.148 psi.
What can 0.148 PSI do?
287HP/1 atmosphere at 14.7 psi = 19.5 HP/psi
0.148 psi = 2.88HP
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
If I remember correctly, the Vortech draws somewhere around 60HP from the crank to drive its high efficency compressor to 8 psi. If you assume the turbonator has the same efficency as a vortech compressor you can estimate the power requirement of the electric turbonator at 1 psi.
HP requirement = (1psi/8psi)*60HP = 7.5HP
A 7.5 HP DC electric motor would be huge, heavy and require major electrical power! 1 HP = 750 watts. 7.5HP = 5625 watts
The electric turbonator requires 5625 watts of electrical power from your electrical system. 5625 W / 13.88V = 405 AMPS!
405 AMPS to generate 1PSI of boost and that is assuming Vortech like compressor efficency... If it is fused for 60 amps (832 watts or 1.1HP) the best it can do is ~0.148 psi.
What can 0.148 PSI do?
287HP/1 atmosphere at 14.7 psi = 19.5 HP/psi
0.148 psi = 2.88HP
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
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Originally Posted by Hydrazine
Think of it this way.
If I remember correctly, the Vortech draws somewhere around 60HP from the crank to drive its high efficency compressor to 8 psi. If you assume the turbonator has the same efficency as a vortech compressor you can estimate the power requirement of the electric turbonator at 1 psi.
HP requirement = (1psi/8psi)*60HP = 7.5HP
A 7.5 HP DC electric motor would be huge, heavy and require major electrical power! 1 HP = 750 watts. 7.5HP = 5625 watts
The electric turbonator requires 5625 watts of electrical power from your electrical system. 5625 W / 13.88V = 405 AMPS!
405 AMPS to generate 1PSI of boost and that is assuming Vortech like compressor efficency... If it is fused for 60 amps (832 watts or 1.1HP) the best it can do is ~0.148 psi.
What can 0.148 PSI do?
287HP/1 atmosphere at 14.7 psi = 19.5 HP/psi
0.148 psi = 2.88HP
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
If I remember correctly, the Vortech draws somewhere around 60HP from the crank to drive its high efficency compressor to 8 psi. If you assume the turbonator has the same efficency as a vortech compressor you can estimate the power requirement of the electric turbonator at 1 psi.
HP requirement = (1psi/8psi)*60HP = 7.5HP
A 7.5 HP DC electric motor would be huge, heavy and require major electrical power! 1 HP = 750 watts. 7.5HP = 5625 watts
The electric turbonator requires 5625 watts of electrical power from your electrical system. 5625 W / 13.88V = 405 AMPS!
405 AMPS to generate 1PSI of boost and that is assuming Vortech like compressor efficency... If it is fused for 60 amps (832 watts or 1.1HP) the best it can do is ~0.148 psi.
What can 0.148 PSI do?
287HP/1 atmosphere at 14.7 psi = 19.5 HP/psi
0.148 psi = 2.88HP
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
I finally got out of school so I didn't have to do math and science! I think my eyes are starting to cross now......
Originally Posted by Hydrazine
So it appears to be good for 2.88HP assuming Vortech like efficency. If you subtract the 1.1 HP it needs to operate, the end result is 1.78 HP.
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The only electric supercharger I've read that seems to work is http://www.boosthead.com/home.php
However, it works more like Nitrous in that you get spurts of FI rather than continous.
However, it works more like Nitrous in that you get spurts of FI rather than continous.
Originally Posted by xswl0931
The only electric supercharger I've read that seems to work is http://www.boosthead.com/home.php
However, it works more like Nitrous in that you get spurts of FI rather than continous.
However, it works more like Nitrous in that you get spurts of FI rather than continous.
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