RevUp Oil Consumption TSB and discussion
03-11-2008, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tamdihugs77
I'm new here and have a V2 that is consuming. I've been reading these stories for some time about what causes it. I never went over 5000 rpm on my V2 so I don't buy the therory that its our driving. Some are blind and won't listen to others - bla bla bla - like they know something but Nissan doesn't know. Call it like it is - this is a lemon the V1 and V2. I'm getting my money back.
'. It's all hush hush so who knows, maybe we'll stumble upon something the all mighty white glove engineers couldn't/can't figure out. Worth a shot in my book. And due to the fact that their ARE successful V1/V2's out there.....why is that? Can you tell me why....didn't think so.Not bashing your decision to go Buy-back, so don't get me wrong on that. Everyone is an adult here and can make their own decisions on what to do with this issue. No one is wrong in that respect. I just choose to hopefully get to the bottom of this, for I have a deep passion for what I drive and don't wish to get rid of it.
03-11-2008, 10:50 AM
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Okay...did a little more research on those pictures I posted with broken/cracked landings.
I stated 1600mi, when actually I found he stated 16K...my bad and I stand corrected.
And found out that owner was boosted with a Procharger SC, stock internals. But before his SC install, he had OC issues prior which started ~ 2mo after ownership and started his build at 20K. So sounds like SC install was at 16K and then started his build at 20K.
So those pictures really only show what happens to a V1 w/prior OC issues and the aftermath results when you boost it. Oh well, thought we had internal proof with a 05 NA oem revup. Drat!!
Again, wish we could get internal pictures of NA revup, V2 preferably, that has failed along with pictures of a non OC V2 revup for comparison.
I stated 1600mi, when actually I found he stated 16K...my bad and I stand corrected.
And found out that owner was boosted with a Procharger SC, stock internals. But before his SC install, he had OC issues prior which started ~ 2mo after ownership and started his build at 20K. So sounds like SC install was at 16K and then started his build at 20K.
So those pictures really only show what happens to a V1 w/prior OC issues and the aftermath results when you boost it. Oh well, thought we had internal proof with a 05 NA oem revup. Drat!!
Again, wish we could get internal pictures of NA revup, V2 preferably, that has failed along with pictures of a non OC V2 revup for comparison.
03-11-2008, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tamdihugs77
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Hello u 2? Your sources? Full of BS!
Hello u 2? Your sources? Full of BS!
Now if you'll excuse me, I have things to do that in reality, puts food on my family's table.
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03-11-2008, 11:50 AM
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Just got my V2 in...took em about a day and a half. we'll see how it goes, gonna keep track of the oil. when should I change it over to full synethic btw?
03-11-2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 06CPV35
If you have better, by all means please post them up and share your knowledge here for all of us to benefit from.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have things to do that in reality, puts food on my family's table.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have things to do that in reality, puts food on my family's table.
Why the big mystery? You claim to have reputable information from reputable sources. What makes that information reputable is sharing the source. If not it's no longer reputable.
This is what I've been getting at from day 1 when you through a hissy fit at me.
03-11-2008, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ke0ki2k
Just got my V2 in...took em about a day and a half. we'll see how it goes, gonna keep track of the oil. when should I change it over to full synethic btw?
However BOTH methods from every source I've ever seen including Motoman state not to run Synthetic during the break in period. It's one time when conventional oil beats it out.
So both sides of the argument seem to be against synthetic straight away.
03-11-2008, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 06CPV35
If you have better, by all means please post them up and share your knowledge here for all of us to benefit from.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have things to do that in reality, puts food on my family's table.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have things to do that in reality, puts food on my family's table.
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03-11-2008, 07:13 PM
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TSB NTB07-088b Revised/Amended 2/27/08
The technical service bulletin (TSB) NTB07-088 was amended on 2/27/08 with NTB07-088b
The new TSB can be found on the first page, the old one can still be found on the link to the original TSB post at the top of the page.
The oil consumption chart was amended by eliminating the first two columns on miles 0-500 & 501-1000 miles, where now the minimum oil consumption accepted in the No Good Range is 8mm in the 1001-1500 mile range.
The second amendment is the addition of “Caution” break-in notes, which was first seen on the Infiniti TSB.
IMO…. In the original TSB, all references are to 1000 mile mark, top it off and return in 1000 miles for another oil check. Customer may return up to three times for a 1000-3750 mile oil level check. Thanks to a buddy of mine on tech, with the heads up, on this updated TSB. Most if not all of what I have read here with owners since the first release of the TSB, is that the dealers were telling everyone to come back in 1000 miles. IMO… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
“NEW” No Good Range:
1,001-1,500 Miles -- 8mm thru 10mm
1,501-2,000 Miles -- 11mm thru 13mm
2,001-2,500 Miles -- 14mm thru 18mm
2,501-3,000 Miles -- 19mm thru 22mm
3,001-3,500 Miles -- 23mm thru 24mm
3,501-3,750 Miles -- > 24mm
I would imagine Infiniti’ TSB will not be far behind with an amendment and new TSB, if it has not already been amended.
Cheers
-Curtis
The new TSB can be found on the first page, the old one can still be found on the link to the original TSB post at the top of the page.
The oil consumption chart was amended by eliminating the first two columns on miles 0-500 & 501-1000 miles, where now the minimum oil consumption accepted in the No Good Range is 8mm in the 1001-1500 mile range.
The second amendment is the addition of “Caution” break-in notes, which was first seen on the Infiniti TSB.
IMO…. In the original TSB, all references are to 1000 mile mark, top it off and return in 1000 miles for another oil check. Customer may return up to three times for a 1000-3750 mile oil level check. Thanks to a buddy of mine on tech, with the heads up, on this updated TSB. Most if not all of what I have read here with owners since the first release of the TSB, is that the dealers were telling everyone to come back in 1000 miles. IMO… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
“NEW” No Good Range:
1,001-1,500 Miles -- 8mm thru 10mm
1,501-2,000 Miles -- 11mm thru 13mm
2,001-2,500 Miles -- 14mm thru 18mm
2,501-3,000 Miles -- 19mm thru 22mm
3,001-3,500 Miles -- 23mm thru 24mm
3,501-3,750 Miles -- > 24mm
I would imagine Infiniti’ TSB will not be far behind with an amendment and new TSB, if it has not already been amended.
Cheers
-Curtis
03-11-2008, 07:35 PM
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Received a call from NNA and they said that they will let me know of a buyback offer in 30 days but it normally takes no more than 2 weeks to decide. They already have all my dealer paperwork so that's good. He even said there are plenty of trips to the dealer even though I only had one 1000 mile consumption test on my V2.
Thanks ZPimp!
Thanks ZPimp!
03-11-2008, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeeForce
The technical service bulletin (TSB) NTB07-088 was amended on 2/27/08 with NTB07-088b
The new TSB can be found on the first page, the old one can still be found on the link to the original TSB post at the top of the page.
The oil consumption chart was amended by eliminating the first two columns on miles 0-500 & 501-1000 miles, where now the minimum oil consumption accepted in the No Good Range is 8mm in the 1001-1500 mile range.
The second amendment is the addition of “Caution” break-in notes, which was first seen on the Infiniti TSB.
IMO…. In the original TSB, all references are to 1000 mile mark, top it off and return in 1000 miles for another oil check. Customer may return up to three times for a 1000-3750 mile oil level check. Thanks to a buddy of mine on tech, with the heads up, on this updated TSB. Most if not all of what I have read here with owners since the first release of the TSB, is that the dealers were telling everyone to come back in 1000 miles. IMO… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
“NEW” No Good Range:
1,001-1,500 Miles -- 8mm thru 10mm
1,501-2,000 Miles -- 11mm thru 13mm
2,001-2,500 Miles -- 14mm thru 18mm
2,501-3,000 Miles -- 19mm thru 22mm
3,001-3,500 Miles -- 23mm thru 24mm
3,501-3,750 Miles -- > 24mm
I would imagine Infiniti’ TSB will not be far behind with an amendment and new TSB, if it has not already been amended.
Cheers
-Curtis
The new TSB can be found on the first page, the old one can still be found on the link to the original TSB post at the top of the page.
The oil consumption chart was amended by eliminating the first two columns on miles 0-500 & 501-1000 miles, where now the minimum oil consumption accepted in the No Good Range is 8mm in the 1001-1500 mile range.
The second amendment is the addition of “Caution” break-in notes, which was first seen on the Infiniti TSB.
IMO…. In the original TSB, all references are to 1000 mile mark, top it off and return in 1000 miles for another oil check. Customer may return up to three times for a 1000-3750 mile oil level check. Thanks to a buddy of mine on tech, with the heads up, on this updated TSB. Most if not all of what I have read here with owners since the first release of the TSB, is that the dealers were telling everyone to come back in 1000 miles. IMO… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
“NEW” No Good Range:
1,001-1,500 Miles -- 8mm thru 10mm
1,501-2,000 Miles -- 11mm thru 13mm
2,001-2,500 Miles -- 14mm thru 18mm
2,501-3,000 Miles -- 19mm thru 22mm
3,001-3,500 Miles -- 23mm thru 24mm
3,501-3,750 Miles -- > 24mm
I would imagine Infiniti’ TSB will not be far behind with an amendment and new TSB, if it has not already been amended.
Cheers
-Curtis
Sending .pdf to you if you want to add to first page for us G35 folks.
03-12-2008, 06:55 AM
#2712
Originally Posted by ZeeForce
The technical service bulletin (TSB) NTB07-088 was amended on 2/27/08 with NTB07-088b
… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
Cheers
-Curtis
… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
Cheers
-Curtis
03-12-2008, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by ZeeForce
IMO… It doesn’t sound like any owners where able to cash in on the 2mm OC in the 0-500 mile range. Not sure if any owners received engine replacements on the 6-7 mm in the 501-1000 mile range, I believe so but not sure as they may have fallen into the 8mm 1001 plus miles range. At any rate IMHO they should have kept the 6-7mm 501-1000 mile range on the chart.
03-12-2008, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 06CPV35
Didn't take long for dealer to get his V2 delivered. Wonder if there's a stock pile in a warehouse now on these. Last friend I knew who got his V2 end of last year, it took over 3+ weeks to get his. Was told his was on the next shipment from Japan and had to wait.
03-12-2008, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Z-Track
When I had mine ordered a month ago, the service manager told me that it should not be a problem getting a MZ b/c the East Coast Nissan Distribution Center in Greenville SC had about 70 MZ engines.... and my engine was at the dealership in 3 days after it was ordered. Now, my co-worker is having his replaced and he was told that it would take 3 - 5 business days so he should be getting his on Friday....Looks like the East Coast distribution center still has them in stock
03-12-2008, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BabyZiLLa
I'm up in the air over break in methods. Theres the break it in hard, and the baby method.
However BOTH methods from every source I've ever seen including Motoman state not to run Synthetic during the break in period. It's one time when conventional oil beats it out.
So both sides of the argument seem to be against synthetic straight away.
However BOTH methods from every source I've ever seen including Motoman state not to run Synthetic during the break in period. It's one time when conventional oil beats it out.
So both sides of the argument seem to be against synthetic straight away.
Oh boy, that's to funny you mention motoman, that site..... Ummm, yeah, I have huge problems with that, I'm pretty sure it's the biggest load of bull ever. Allthough I will state that I agree that a motor should not be broken in overly gently.
As for synthetic, talked to the guy who's engine I rebuilt with the Maxima rings. He has put almost 500 miles on it with zero consumption even during break-in. M1-0w40 was used and I performed an initial break in procedure. Many car manafacturers use synth for break in, I'll take mercedes engineers knowledge any day of the week over internet info that is imho just a continuation of a myth.
03-12-2008, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 06CPV35
Okay...did a little more research on those pictures I posted with broken/cracked landings.
I stated 1600mi, when actually I found he stated 16K...my bad and I stand corrected.
And found out that owner was boosted with a Procharger SC, stock internals. But before his SC install, he had OC issues prior which started ~ 2mo after ownership and started his build at 20K. So sounds like SC install was at 16K and then started his build at 20K.
So those pictures really only show what happens to a V1 w/prior OC issues and the aftermath results when you boost it. Oh well, thought we had internal proof with a 05 NA oem revup. Drat!!
Again, wish we could get internal pictures of NA revup, V2 preferably, that has failed along with pictures of a non OC V2 revup for comparison.
I stated 1600mi, when actually I found he stated 16K...my bad and I stand corrected.
And found out that owner was boosted with a Procharger SC, stock internals. But before his SC install, he had OC issues prior which started ~ 2mo after ownership and started his build at 20K. So sounds like SC install was at 16K and then started his build at 20K.
So those pictures really only show what happens to a V1 w/prior OC issues and the aftermath results when you boost it. Oh well, thought we had internal proof with a 05 NA oem revup. Drat!!
Again, wish we could get internal pictures of NA revup, V2 preferably, that has failed along with pictures of a non OC V2 revup for comparison.
Also, helps to confirm the ring theory, I could see detonation being caused by excessive oil consumption deposits in the combustion chamber, but I would still suspect his tune first.
As I know you are, I'm anxiously awaiting someone tearing into a V2 to see what's up with the rings, that will help pin-point to an extent, but I still remain fairly certain it is the rings and just that and they dropped the ball on whatever they did as a fix on the v2's. This also explains why some have it some don't, I could definitly see some failing if they don't seat because of issues with that 2nd compression ring.
03-12-2008, 11:06 AM
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Just picked up my Z from getting the v2 put in.
I'm going to follow Nissan's guidelines for break-in. I'm also going to get on the interstate for several hundred miles and keep the engine going at about 3k rpm (around 83mph) for quite a while, as highway driving will be the majority that this car will see.
Hopefully it won't start sucking down oil.
By the way, the total Nissan bill was 8600 bucks, little over 7k for just the motor (of course under warranty)
I'm going to follow Nissan's guidelines for break-in. I'm also going to get on the interstate for several hundred miles and keep the engine going at about 3k rpm (around 83mph) for quite a while, as highway driving will be the majority that this car will see.
Hopefully it won't start sucking down oil.
By the way, the total Nissan bill was 8600 bucks, little over 7k for just the motor (of course under warranty)
03-12-2008, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cheshirecat79
Just picked up my Z from getting the v2 put in.
I'm going to follow Nissan's guidelines for break-in. I'm also going to get on the interstate for several hundred miles and keep the engine going at about 3k rpm (around 83mph) for quite a while, as highway driving will be the majority that this car will see.
Hopefully it won't start sucking down oil.
By the way, the total Nissan bill was 8600 bucks, little over 7k for just the motor (of course under warranty)
I'm going to follow Nissan's guidelines for break-in. I'm also going to get on the interstate for several hundred miles and keep the engine going at about 3k rpm (around 83mph) for quite a while, as highway driving will be the majority that this car will see.
Hopefully it won't start sucking down oil.
By the way, the total Nissan bill was 8600 bucks, little over 7k for just the motor (of course under warranty)