RevUp Oil Consumption TSB and discussion
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almost but not quite, the most important part to remember is the # of miles driven UNTIL YOUR FIRST VISIT TO THE DEALER for the "nonconformity that led to repurchase"
So if you had 2,500 miles on your ODO when you first visited your dealer for oil consumption testing, you would have to pay 2,500 miles worth of driving back, 21,000 miles on your car for your first oil consumption visit, then 21,000 miles youd pay back because they assume those were 21,000 happy trouble-free miles
I'd like to contribute having just gone through the repurchase settlement, and can provide to save time for anyone who is about to read, read, read..lol
here is what I was offered:
Purchase Price
+
Interest Paid
+
Sales Tax
+
License Fees
+
Registration/Title Fees
+
CA Tire Fee
+
Dealer Doc Fee
-
Usage Fee = (x miles on car on first visit/100,000) X Purchase Price
-
Payoff (if you have a lienholder)
=
Settlement Total
So if you had 2,500 miles on your ODO when you first visited your dealer for oil consumption testing, you would have to pay 2,500 miles worth of driving back, 21,000 miles on your car for your first oil consumption visit, then 21,000 miles youd pay back because they assume those were 21,000 happy trouble-free miles
I'd like to contribute having just gone through the repurchase settlement, and can provide to save time for anyone who is about to read, read, read..lol
here is what I was offered:
Purchase Price
+
Interest Paid
+
Sales Tax
+
License Fees
+
Registration/Title Fees
+
CA Tire Fee
+
Dealer Doc Fee
-
Usage Fee = (x miles on car on first visit/100,000) X Purchase Price
-
Payoff (if you have a lienholder)
=
Settlement Total
Wonder if documentation that indicates 'customer states' about OC is a legal start point for that formula and not just when official OC testing started. Though I read it does, but maybe depends if Attorney was retained by customer assisting on buy-back...can't remember...
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^ The laws vary between states; hence it would be mis leading information to post on the first page. The link on the first page to the BBB Lemon Law, per state is the best source. http://us.bbb.org/WWWRoot/SitePage.a...d-7a3e16e8da33
The above post can be bookmarked, although like I said, its better to look at the BBB website for your state laws.
Yes it is....at least in CA, it’s when you first report the oil consumption on a dealer service order. For example: “Customer states oil excessive oil consumption" something to that effect. This is when its recorded and the mileage is calculated from this. There are in addition other criteria to take in effect. I do not remember word for word it’s been awhile since I visited the LL for CA. Something like it needs to be recorded of the OC within the first 18 months or 18k miles whichever comes first. Don’t quote me on this, research it on the BBB.
OT....John, when are we and the wife going out to dinner? I am aching for some ribs. Do you want to caravan over to the Delta this Sunday for the ZONC club holiday banquet?
The above post can be bookmarked, although like I said, its better to look at the BBB website for your state laws.
Yes it is....at least in CA, it’s when you first report the oil consumption on a dealer service order. For example: “Customer states oil excessive oil consumption" something to that effect. This is when its recorded and the mileage is calculated from this. There are in addition other criteria to take in effect. I do not remember word for word it’s been awhile since I visited the LL for CA. Something like it needs to be recorded of the OC within the first 18 months or 18k miles whichever comes first. Don’t quote me on this, research it on the BBB.
OT....John, when are we and the wife going out to dinner? I am aching for some ribs. Do you want to caravan over to the Delta this Sunday for the ZONC club holiday banquet?
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I have read more of this thread than I wanted to.. I feel really sorry for all of you going through this.. I am looking for a Z and see a ton of great deals on 06 models. I am scared to get one. I have gone back in this thread to look for some definitive manufactures dates to stay away from but having issues finding any. I recall early 05 - 5/06 dates? And even at that I assume they just changed to the V2 that also seems to have hit or miss issues? Has anyone in this thread done a detailed summary like the first post... THIS IS FANTASTIC INFORMATION!! Thanks
If someone was in the market and just had to have a 06 for the rev-up, price or whatever, my suggestion would be to have a compression check done prior to any purchase of a 06 model or 05 anniversary model. Of course we are talking about manual transmissions only. As the automatics have the DE motor (287hp same as in the 03-05 models) The 06 MT is a rev-up engine and is a different engine than the DE. Just to clarify what engine is what, from a previous post.
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^ The laws vary between states; hence it would be mis leading information to post on the first page. The link on the first page to the BBB Lemon Law, per state is the best source. http://us.bbb.org/WWWRoot/SitePage.a...d-7a3e16e8da33
The above post can be bookmarked, although like I said, its better to look at the BBB website for your state laws.
Yes it is....at least in CA, it’s when you first report the oil consumption on a dealer service order. For example: “Customer states oil excessive oil consumption" something to that effect. This is when its recorded and the mileage is calculated from this. There are in addition other criteria to take in effect. I do not remember word for word it’s been awhile since I visited the LL for CA. Something like it needs to be recorded of the OC within the first 18 months or 18k miles whichever comes first. Don’t quote me on this, research it on the BBB.
The above post can be bookmarked, although like I said, its better to look at the BBB website for your state laws.
Yes it is....at least in CA, it’s when you first report the oil consumption on a dealer service order. For example: “Customer states oil excessive oil consumption" something to that effect. This is when its recorded and the mileage is calculated from this. There are in addition other criteria to take in effect. I do not remember word for word it’s been awhile since I visited the LL for CA. Something like it needs to be recorded of the OC within the first 18 months or 18k miles whichever comes first. Don’t quote me on this, research it on the BBB.
Chomping at the bit for my 2nd UOA report. Any day soon I should be getting.
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sheeezz....and I planned on washing at least one Z tomorrow for Sundays banquet. Rain or shine I am going; I gave up the parade this Sat, so I am going for a cruise on Sunday.
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The wait is always the toughest, I hope the data looks just as good as your first one if not better.
sheeezz....and I planned on washing at least one Z tomorrow for Sundays banquet. Rain or shine I am going; I gave up the parade this Sat, so I am going for a cruise on Sunday.
sheeezz....and I planned on washing at least one Z tomorrow for Sundays banquet. Rain or shine I am going; I gave up the parade this Sat, so I am going for a cruise on Sunday.
UOA came in...it's better than last one
Working on posting in UOA thread now...keep your eyes peeled...DuraBlend 10w-30 has proven an excellent oil for my V2.
-edit- UOA is posted:
https://my350z.com/forum/6676285-post712.html
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^ Cool beans....indeed it is better than the last one and better than mine.
Lets see what Resolute has to comment on.
The DuraBlend 10w-30 appears to be working better than the Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 that I have been running on the last two oil change intervals. It is much better for an oil during the engine break in period, than conventional Castrol GTX.
I am going to post up my UOA on his thread for commentary. My oil was changed back on 11/10/08.
I still cannot believe how well your engine is doing in the short run (as in 6.5k mi on your engine) compared to mine in the long run (as in 15k mi on engine).
Lets see what Resolute has to comment on.
The DuraBlend 10w-30 appears to be working better than the Pennzoil Platinum 5w-30 that I have been running on the last two oil change intervals. It is much better for an oil during the engine break in period, than conventional Castrol GTX.
I am going to post up my UOA on his thread for commentary. My oil was changed back on 11/10/08.
I still cannot believe how well your engine is doing in the short run (as in 6.5k mi on your engine) compared to mine in the long run (as in 15k mi on engine).
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UOA: 4th on the freshly built 06 Rev-up
Just posted my UOA, it can be found here on Resolute' Oil thread.
https://my350z.com/forum/6676554-post714.html
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https://my350z.com/forum/6676554-post714.html
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Thanks for all of your info John & Curtis!
I will be monitering what Will (Resolute) have to say and making my choice of oil for my next interval accordinly. I have finish the factory recomended break-in period. However, I will take your advice and continue to breaking it in a little longer, I may just go to 2000 miles on the break in and the start open her up.
I must say though, that I was burning 12MM in 1000 miles on the V1 and as of last week when I checked the oil level, I have burn maybe 7 drops on the V2. I will be checking my levels again after I finish making my coffee and I'll report back.
I am thinking on PP 5-30 or DB 10-30 depending on what Will says about your UOA's!
I will be monitering what Will (Resolute) have to say and making my choice of oil for my next interval accordinly. I have finish the factory recomended break-in period. However, I will take your advice and continue to breaking it in a little longer, I may just go to 2000 miles on the break in and the start open her up.
I must say though, that I was burning 12MM in 1000 miles on the V1 and as of last week when I checked the oil level, I have burn maybe 7 drops on the V2. I will be checking my levels again after I finish making my coffee and I'll report back.
I am thinking on PP 5-30 or DB 10-30 depending on what Will says about your UOA's!
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^Every V2 is different when it comes to what's going on inside and how it's breaking in.
Mine and Curtis's is a classic example of the differences in break-in on the same V2 replacement used.
Won't comment on you starting to romp at 2K miles.
Without a UOA, you have no idea if that's the right thing to do or not on yours yet.
G/L
Mine and Curtis's is a classic example of the differences in break-in on the same V2 replacement used.
Won't comment on you starting to romp at 2K miles.
Without a UOA, you have no idea if that's the right thing to do or not on yours yet.
G/L
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^ +1
We (John and I) have been advocating used oil analysis (UOA) for some time now. But don’t take our word for it, just read Resolute’ thread for proof. With our regimental tune that Terry Dyson has us on, by someone else just using the same brand and weight oil that we are using, should NOT expect the same results. They maybe close for awhile, but will slip into the engine wear sooner or later, What we are doing is getting the correct tune to ensure the pistons and rings seal, increasing the longevity of the engine, with the least amount of fuel dilution and other elements that come about when just using particular type of oil. There are several other factors to look at and adjust. Only a UOA from Terry Dyson is going to give you peace of mind. My question to all is: What’s it worth to you? The time here spent reading, (what’s’ the old saying time is money) or just shell out the 60.00 bucks and have Terry analyze the oil.
Keep this in mind; by just switching to the oil that John and I have had success with is not going mean you are going to have the same success. There is more to our success than just getting the correct oil.
I strongly encourage everyone on this thread to get a UOA.
Cheers
Curtis
We (John and I) have been advocating used oil analysis (UOA) for some time now. But don’t take our word for it, just read Resolute’ thread for proof. With our regimental tune that Terry Dyson has us on, by someone else just using the same brand and weight oil that we are using, should NOT expect the same results. They maybe close for awhile, but will slip into the engine wear sooner or later, What we are doing is getting the correct tune to ensure the pistons and rings seal, increasing the longevity of the engine, with the least amount of fuel dilution and other elements that come about when just using particular type of oil. There are several other factors to look at and adjust. Only a UOA from Terry Dyson is going to give you peace of mind. My question to all is: What’s it worth to you? The time here spent reading, (what’s’ the old saying time is money) or just shell out the 60.00 bucks and have Terry analyze the oil.
Keep this in mind; by just switching to the oil that John and I have had success with is not going mean you are going to have the same success. There is more to our success than just getting the correct oil.
I strongly encourage everyone on this thread to get a UOA.
Cheers
Curtis
^^ I would definitly keep that in mind. Do I have to request the UOA kit from Dyson? Also, since I do have oil changes done by the dealer, how would they need to go about fetching me a sample. The reason why I ask is because I believe that Blackstone recomends fetching the used oil in the mid of the drainage as opposed to at the start. I also took your advise and got rid of my oil air filter and switched to a sylicone based air filter instead.
In other news... I just checked my dipstick after 1,455 Miles since the swap and it has burn only 3 MM. This is great news! Also, it seems to pull ever so strong up to 4,000 RPM than before on the V1. As a matter of fact, the other day my tire broke traction and my traction control kicked in and I was not even driving it hard yet. 
(I am not complaining) 
(I am not complaining)
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^Yes order and pay for kit and will be mailed to you.
Just tell dealer you need them to take a sample while changing oil.
Blackstones recommendations on sample procedures are the industry standard.
Drive minimum 20min prior to servicing (like driving to shop for the service)
Tell dealer those standard sample procedures.
Make sure oil is hot when sample taken.
Sample mid drain duration.
Terry Dyson will take good care of you...
Just tell dealer you need them to take a sample while changing oil.
Blackstones recommendations on sample procedures are the industry standard.
Drive minimum 20min prior to servicing (like driving to shop for the service)
Tell dealer those standard sample procedures.
Make sure oil is hot when sample taken.
Sample mid drain duration.
Terry Dyson will take good care of you...
^Yes order and pay for kit and will be mailed to you.
Just tell dealer you need them to take a sample while changing oil.
Blackstones recommendations on sample procedures are the industry standard.
Drive minimum 20min prior to servicing (like driving to shop for the service)
Tell dealer those standard sample procedures.
Make sure oil is hot when sample taken.
Sample mid drain duration.
Terry Dyson will take good care of you...
Just tell dealer you need them to take a sample while changing oil.
Blackstones recommendations on sample procedures are the industry standard.
Drive minimum 20min prior to servicing (like driving to shop for the service)
Tell dealer those standard sample procedures.
Make sure oil is hot when sample taken.
Sample mid drain duration.
Terry Dyson will take good care of you...
Blackstone send you the kit for free.
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Price of his kit already includes lab analysis and his interpretation of raw numbers. If still confused, Email him....
Blackstone will still require a payment when you send in your sample for analysis from their free kit.
You still pay regardless how it's set-up.
Blackstone will still require a payment when you send in your sample for analysis from their free kit.
You still pay regardless how it's set-up.
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Looking back at History: TSB finally released
I was researching the dipstick hash marks for someone on the G35 OC thread and noticed this post.
Funny how times flys!
Over a year ago on 11/27/07
https://my350z.com/forum/4763125-post2083.html
https://my350z.com/forum/4764001-post2084.html
https://my350z.com/forum/4764020-post2085.html
Cheers
Curtis
Funny how times flys!
Over a year ago on 11/27/07
https://my350z.com/forum/4763125-post2083.html
https://my350z.com/forum/4764001-post2084.html
https://my350z.com/forum/4764020-post2085.html
Cheers
Curtis