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Old May 22, 2007 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by gothchick
Who the heck are you? You show up to this forum with 6 posts all posted in this thread claiming to be from Unorthodox... Yeah right... Maybe a Mod could do an IP check...
And what would an IP check accomplish? Wow... Let me see... if I do an IP check on myself, I find that I'm homed to Memphis, but I actually live in Birmingham.
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Old May 22, 2007 | 06:53 PM
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Just for the record. The picture of the damaged pulley was not a UR Pulley. 3rd post down by Trijicon on page 4 of this thread:

http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...ulley&start=45

http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...t=2036&start=0

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Old May 22, 2007 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
And what would an IP check accomplish? Wow... Let me see... if I do an IP check on myself, I find that I'm homed to Memphis, but I actually live in Birmingham.
Internet 101. An IP check goes back to the ISP that's being used, that in turn can pull a company name (if it is a company account), user name, and address. All public info if you have the IP address. Sort of like skip-tracing, but much easier.

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Old May 23, 2007 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 03BlkSETE
Just for the record. The picture of the damaged pulley was not a UR Pulley. 3rd post down by Trijicon on page for of this thread:

http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...ulley&start=45

http://www.az350z.com/forum/viewtopi...t=2036&start=0

thank you - I was wondering when someone would point that out
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Old May 23, 2007 | 07:12 AM
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Maybe the explanation might sound odd, but he is on the right track. I cannot explain it fully how it was explained to me, but it makes a ton of sense and trying from stock to lightweight in some other cars, it proved to be true.
As for the Z, it wasnt really related, but kind of similar topic while on lightweight pullies. Sorry I got OT a bit.
If you're talking about 1st gear and 2nd gear, then yes, torque is sustained a little longer; however, when factor in the gears that are used in 1/4 mile race or road race, you'll see that the only real advantage of the flywheel is far easier rev matching.

Here is a great article that highlights the advantages and disadvantages of a lightended flywheel (12lbs vs the 26lb dual mass stocker) on a 95 M3.

http://www.europeancarweb.com/projec...utch_flywheel/

But, another noticeable difference was the loss of some low-end torque. The car seemed to rev more quickly but not until higher up in the rev range. Off the line, the car wouldn't pull like it used to when I dumped the clutch at 3500 rpm. The inertia generated from the heavier stock flywheel couldn't be reproduced with this lightweight unit for an out-of-the-hole launch. But, once the revs climbed, the needle was noticeably quicker, at least in the first few gears.
There's a rule of thumb recited by many M3 owners: The acceleration gains from a lightweight flywheel are equivalent to the acceleration gains an M3 will get from a 250 to 350-lb vehicular weight reduction in 1st gear, 100 lb in second and minimal gains in acceleration from third gear on up.
So, which would you choose--an upgrade that makes your car quicker above or below 5500 rpm? Before we answer this, let's take a look at second gear. Surprisingly, up until 4700 rpm, the lightened flywheel maintained torque with only a maximum loss of 2.4 lb-ft and 1.9 bhp at 4000 rpm to the stock flywheel. After 4700 rpm, the flywheel showed its advantage with a constant gain to redline, revealing a maximum gain of 4.4 lb-ft of torque at 5500 rpm and 4.7 bhp at 6500 rpm. Third gear runs were tested but yielded no significant gains or losses.
Second, you will lose some low-end torque--especially off the line--as our dyno charts have shown. And last, the boys in Munich chose a heavier, dual-mass flywheel also to make it a bit easier to drive smoothly around town.
Consider in round one (first gear) that we have somewhat of a tie, assuming we want both low- and high-end torque--we win some and we lose some. But, that 10.8-bhp gain at 6700 rpm does sound appealing,
This article furthers what I've been saying all along. The lightened flywheel/pulley will make upper rpms gains in the lower gears; however, there is a loss in power in the lower rpms. Also, the reduction of inertial mass hurts off the line acceleration. Finally, the gains of the lightened components are basically nill in 3rd+ gears. If you do the calculations, you'll see that a slight gain in 1st and 2nd will do nothing for performance in the 1/4 mile because 4 gears are utilized through run and you spend most of the time accelerating in gears 3 and 4, not 1 or 2.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gothchick
Internet 101. An IP check goes back to the ISP that's being used, that in turn can pull a company name (if it is a company account), user name, and address. All public info if you have the IP address. Sort of like skip-tracing, but much easier.
I understand the mechanics behind IP. But an IP check is worthless if his IP comes from a DHCP pool, which is likely the case. Like I said in my previous post, when I was posting from home, a reverse IP lookup suggested I was posting from Memphis, when in fact I was living in Birmingham. An IP check would not prove his identity.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
I understand the mechanics behind IP. But an IP check is worthless if his IP comes from a DHCP pool, which is likely the case. Like I said in my previous post, when I was posting from home, a reverse IP lookup suggested I was posting from Memphis, when in fact I was living in Birmingham. An IP check would not prove his identity.
Well technically the ISP should have logs of who was assigned a given IP address at a given time. Though getting that information from them without a warrant might be difficult (privacy and such). If you are really concerned that the guy is not who he says he is (though I see no reason for him to lie) then call UR and ask for him.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 08:09 AM
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yeah because someone is going to take the time to impersonate the owner of Unorthodox...

Having known Shawn for 10 years now, I can personally vouch for it being him who posted
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Old May 23, 2007 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
yeah because someone is going to take the time to impersonate the owner of Unorthodox...

Having known Shawn for 10 years now, I can personally vouch for it being him who posted

No one from UR is posting on here, you can rest assure from that....

Back to discussion -

I find it interesting that someone is claiming that by having a lightened flywheel there is no power gain from 1st and 2nd gear and nothing from 3rd and 4th...

Unless I'm reading it incorrectly...

I would agree that though a power gain would be nill in any gear, the mere fact that you can now spin the crank faster due to less weight on it and less resistance against it, you in return get more power faster...for what it's worth I think a lightened flywheel is always a good idea unless the crank is balanced with the flywheel on it, which is highly doubtful....
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Old May 23, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by spratocaster
Well technically the ISP should have logs of who was assigned a given IP address at a given time. Though getting that information from them without a warrant might be difficult (privacy and such). If you are really concerned that the guy is not who he says he is (though I see no reason for him to lie) then call UR and ask for him.
I agree. That's why I questioned the use of an IP check in the first place. I really didn't mean to derail this thread so far, but an IP check would be completely useless. That's all I was pointing out to gothchick.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by wperdigon
No one from UR is posting on here, you can rest assure from that....

Back to discussion -

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you are completely, utterly, absolutely wrong

Shawn posted here because I called him yesterday and mentioned the thread - don't believe me? Call him yourself and ask him

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Old May 23, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wperdigon
I find it interesting that someone is claiming that by having a lightened flywheel there is no power gain from 1st and 2nd gear and nothing from 3rd and 4th...

Unless I'm reading it incorrectly...

I would agree that though a power gain would be nill in any gear, the mere fact that you can now spin the crank faster due to less weight on it and less resistance against it, you in return get more power faster...for what it's worth I think a lightened flywheel is always a good idea unless the crank is balanced with the flywheel on it, which is highly doubtful....
Moment of inertia and gear multiplication. That is why there is no measured power gain in the higher gears. There is an elaborate physics equation you can use to calculate it which takes into consideration the mass and size of the object (flywheel/pulley) and gear ratios for each gear. Apparantly this is equation and physics fact is way above Shawn's head at UR because he still preaches that the car will be faster in the 1/4 mile with his product.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
you are completely, utterly, absolutely wrong

Shawn posted here because I called him yesterday and mentioned the thread - don't believe me? Call him yourself and ask him

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why would I call him? I have Brian's number and if I needed to speak with anyone from U/R I would talk with the Marketing guy as we know each other...

also, somewhat abrasive don't you think, just calling out a potential customer and telling them they are..how you say...
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you are completely, utterly, absolutely wrong
not something a little more pc like, i disagree with you.. or something along those lines? yikes, don't get all up in defense mode
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Old May 23, 2007 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave B
Moment of inertia and gear multiplication. That is why there is no measured power gain in the higher gears. There is an elaborate physics equation you can use to calculate it which takes into consideration the mass and size of the object (flywheel/pulley) and gear ratios for each gear. Apparantly this is equation and physics fact is way above Shawn's head at UR because he still preaches that the car will be faster in the 1/4 mile with his product.

That's interesting... I have a JWT flywheel and I certainly did notice a tenth faster consistantly at the track, but nothing to the point that I wouldn't sit here and preach it's the end of all being....

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Old May 23, 2007 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
I agree. That's why I questioned the use of an IP check in the first place. I really didn't mean to derail this thread so far, but an IP check would be completely useless. That's all I was pointing out to gothchick.
What's so useless about tracing a company name, user name, and address from any given IP? It's public info. The ISP WILL give it to anyone who asks. I've done it. It's nowhere near as useless as the reverse lookup Trey is pointing out. Please go back to Internet 101, Trey.

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Old May 23, 2007 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by gothchick
What's so useless about tracing a company name, user name, and address from any given IP? It's public info. The ISP WILL give it to anyone who asks. I've done it. It's nowhere near as useless as the reverse lookup Trey is pointing out.
Have you considered that the guy might not be posting from his business? Possibly from home, or an airport, or a Starbucks hotspot? ing.

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Please go back to Internet 101, Trey.
Wriiiite. I guess you're the expert. Maybe I should evaluate my career and my experience. I guess in my 11 years of professional employment I haven't learned anything.


And tell me something: how many of these so-called IP checks have you performed? How many requests to ISP's have you sent? How many have responded? Giving away IP addresses of customers without a court order, or even the threat of a court order, is a big privacy issue, and something unlikely to be done by an ISP lightly.

I think you may need to revisit Internet 101, as you call it. Domain registrations are public information, user/ip mappings are not.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wperdigon
why would I call him? I have Brian's number and if I needed to speak with anyone from U/R I would talk with the Marketing guy as we know each other...

also, somewhat abrasive don't you think, just calling out a potential customer and telling them they are..how you say...

not something a little more pc like, i disagree with you.. or something along those lines? yikes, don't get all up in defense mode
No sorry, you won't get "PC" from me. You stated that I was lying about Shawn being the one who posted...as if you knew actually knew. Being that I do know that he was the one who posted (as if it even matters!), I felt it necessary to correct you in your incorrect assumption.

Again, I know it was he who posted because I am the one who called and spoke with Shawn yesterday, and suggested he participate in the thread. He obliged by replying to this thread yesterday afternoon.

If you, or anyone else is that overwhelmingly concerned that it somehow was someone else pretending to be Shawn, again, call him and ask him yourselves

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Old May 23, 2007 | 04:41 PM
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Another one on lightweight pullies. My God this is a dead horse, and I can't believe Z1 got sucked into yet another argument about this.
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/215297-dampners-and-reducing-harmonics.html
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/213325-crank-pully.html
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/122448-fluidampr.html

I don't like them, and I think for sustained rpm use, like road racing your daily driver, they are stupid. There are SAE papers to buy and download if you want to see the math. However, most street driven vehicles won't see any extended wear that will come about before some other critical piece fails in the engine, and race engine's get rebuilt every weekend, or at least every season, anyways. The posts above cover my feelings in detail and every other opinion a person could have on this. I'm just amazed at how this mod maybe frees up 2-3 hp but is the most controversial thing on this forum after the Dreamwerkes supercharger.
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Old May 23, 2007 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
Have you considered that the guy might not be posting from his business? Possibly from home, or an airport, or a Starbucks hotspot? ing.
Doesn't matter. He still has to authenticate against his ISP to get to the internet from where ever he is. ANY IP he uses will always log back to his ISP.

The only reliable way to mask an IP is by using a Proxy server to bounce around to different country's before popping back to your own locale. And those tend to be s-l-o-w as ****.

Didn't you mention you've been an IT professional for years & years? You should know this stuff then. You're not as Anonymous online as you think.

Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
And tell me something: how many of these so-called IP checks have you performed? .
about 12- 15 since 2003.

Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
How many requests to ISP's have you sent? .
about 12- 15 since 2003.

Originally Posted by trey.hutcheson
How many have responded? .
100%

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Giving away IP addresses of customers without a court order, or even the threat of a court order, is a big privacy issue, and something unlikely to be done by an ISP lightly.
Totally not true. It's public domain. Nothing private about it. Like an "IP Phonebook" with addresses & names. Think about that next time you show your @ss online. The only thing saving you here is the Mod only has access to IPs.

Here - give me ANY valid IP that YOU used to log to the Internet (non-proxied, scrubbed, or spoofed) and I'll mail you an Internet 101 manual. And don't worry, I'm too busy with my own life to stalk someone else's. Hehehee! :-)

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I suggest everyone read this because Resolute really knows what's he's talking about and it's always good to get a second opinion, especially when that first opinion is coming from the maker of said part.
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