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Old 03-05-2008, 02:59 AM
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Hey guys i have the 221Kw engine. The latest one here in Australia has the 230Kw engine. Being only 9Kw is there much differene?

From what I have heard its meant to perform a lot better since it has twin air intakes and most parts have been rebuilt?
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Here is a link to some quarter mile times. Scroll down to 100% Stock Down to the Tire:
https://my350z.com/forum/drag/233840-top-25-1-4-mile-times-for-tt-st-supercharger-nitrous-bolt-ons-stock.html


From the results, can you see the advantage of the HR motors?
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DE rules all!! Lol :-)

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Old 03-05-2008, 06:22 AM
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DE FTMF.....lose....yeahhh lol HR is a far superior engine. I love my DE all the same though.
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Here is a overlay of a 03 VQ35DE ( mine ) and a 07 VQ35HR ( Gooey's )

My car has everything in my sig, his had exhaust, test pipes and gears.

The VQ35HR engine keeps on reving past that of the VQ35DE. It has a much nicer HP curve. Some cams would help the DE engine create HP past the 6200rpm range.

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Looks like your DE made more power than the HR clear up to 6k... By then you'd be far enough ahead of him, it wouldn't matter if he made 'slightly' more whp up top because he probably wouldn't be able to catch up by that point... :-)

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Originally Posted by aceman
Here is a overlay of a 03 VQ35DE ( mine ) and a 07 VQ35HR ( Gooey's )

My car has everything in my sig, his had exhaust, test pipes and gears.

The VQ35HR engine keeps on reving past that of the VQ35DE. It has a much nicer HP curve. Some cams would help the DE engine create HP past the 6200rpm range.

Later
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wow nice i've never seen that graph. would be cool to see a stock hr vs rev up de overlayed like that from the same shop, same day
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Originally Posted by gothchick
Looks like your DE made more power than the HR clear up to 6k... By then you'd be far enough ahead of him, it wouldn't matter if he made 'slightly' more whp up top because he probably wouldn't be able to catch up by that point... :-)
Look at the difference in their mods though
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Originally Posted by jerzefigga
Look at the difference in their mods though
Good point, and I'm glad you brought that up. The DE is currently way more mod friendly than the HR. That's just another reason to keep your DE and build it. There simply isn't much for the HR except minor bolt-ons, and it's been out for almost 1 1/2 years.

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Originally Posted by gothchick
Good point, and I'm glad you brought that up. The DE is currently way more mod friendly than the HR. That's just another reason to keep your DE and build it. There simply isn't much for the HR except minor bolt-ons, and it's been out for almost 1 1/2 years.
true, but who wants to spend a couple thousand to get the DE where the HR is stock?
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Originally Posted by blazed54
true, but who wants to spend a couple thousand to get the DE where the HR is stock?
+1.

Gothchick is really setting herself up for FAIL. It is silly to say that their isn't much for the HR. The HR comes with a spacious power band out of the box, no need to waste money on bolt-ons trying to be quick as us.
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Originally Posted by gsingh350Z
+1.

Gothchick is really setting herself up for FAIL. It is silly to say that their isn't much for the HR. The HR comes with a spacious power band out of the box, no need to waste money on bolt-ons trying to be quick as us.
FAIL?? Bring it on~ How many HR's do you see in this list. NONE.
Who's failing now? Take your HR and go home. Lol~ :-)

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED


1. InjectedPerf-------04 Glide Enth 75 shot ( IP 4.2L ) IP ST _9.111@152.32mph 1.365 60ft Slicks
2. Bldrz ------------04 TH350 Base 50 shot (Built) Greddy TT 10.375@132.41mph 1.567 60ft Slicks
3. AudibleMayhem ----03 TH400 Tour 100 shot(Built) Greddy TT 10.404@134.00mph 1.729 60ft Slicks
4. AJ_350z ----------03 6spd -Perf --------------------TN ST 11.036@122.24mph 1.612 60ft Slicks
5. Alberto ----------03 6spd -Trak --------(Built) Greddy TT 11.190@126.18mph 1.670 60ft ET Str
6. ForceFedZ --------03 6spd -Trak ----------------Greddy TT 11.205@129.98mph 1.908 60ft ET Str
7. One350zfan -------03 6spd -Base 50 shot ------------TN ST 11.238@120.06mph 1.598 60ft DR's
8. CoachK -----------03 Auto -Enth 35 shot------------APS TT 11.302@124.06mph 1.790 60ft DR's
9. MRCMortorsports --03 6spd -Tour -----------(Built) APS TT 11.304@124.30mph 1.606 60ft DR's
10. Sharif@Forged ---04 6spd -Enth --------(Built) Greddy TT 11.470@131.96mph 1.981 60ft DR's
11. 03_ppw350z ------03 6spd -Enth --------(Built) Greddy TT 11.497@125.23mph 1.759 60ft ET Str
12. BriGuymax -------03 6spd -Tour -------------------APS TT 11.536@120.80mph 1.701 60ft Slicks
13. Gators2001 ------05 6spd -Enth -----------(Built) APS TT 11.618@124.82mph 1.782 60ft Slicks
14. Eagletanggreen --05 6spd -35th -----(Built) 850bb JWT TT 11.633@123.63mph 1.882 60ft DR's
15. kevinapex -------03 6spd -Tour -----------Speed Force TT 11.659@122.85mph 1.929 60ft DR's
16. BRING IT --------03 6spd -Tour 35 shot --------Greddy TT 11.707@117.83mph 1.742 60ft DR's
17. One350zfan ------03 6spd -Base 150 shot ---------Nitrous 11.832@113.32mph 1.653 60ft DR's
18. AudibleMayhem ---03 6spd -Tour 150 shot ---------Nitrous 11.833@115.53mph 1.639 60ft Slicks
19. 500HPZ ----------03 6spd -Base ----------------Greddy TT 11.838@118.60mph ????? 60ft DR's
20. Kim--------------03 Auto -???? -----------(Built) APS TT 11.905@116.56mph 1.849 60ft Slicks
21. Alberto ---------03 6spd -Trak --------------------TN ST 11.985@114.32mph 1.761 60ft Slicks
22. Integrity -------03 6spd -Tour 100 shot ---------Nitrous 12.052@113.67mph 1.739 60ft Slicks
23. 04TreeFiddy------04 6spd -Enth ---------------Vortech SC 12.171@113.55mph 1.790 60ft DR's
24. BWicked ---------03 6spd -???? ---------------Vortech SC 12.242@115.46mph 1.853 60ft DR's
25. 98Intrigue ------04 6spd -G35----------------------TN ST 12.252@114.70mph 1.909 60ft DR's
26. nosurf2day ------03 6spd -Tour --------------------TN ST 12.255@112.91mph 2.002 60ft DRs
27. InfinitiGT-R ----04 6spd -G35- -------------------APS TT 12.315@116.67mph 1.894 60ft DR's
28. AudibleMayhem ---03 6spd -Tour--Built Block--------- N/A 12.338@110.18mph 1.700 60ft Slicks
29. Taurran ---------03 6spd -Trak --------------------TN ST 12.345@113.37mph 1.914 60ft Street
30. D350Z10 ---------04 6spd -Tour ----------- (Built) TN ST 12.348@112.78mph 2.129 60ft Street

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Twin Turbo

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED


1. Bldrz ------------04 TH350 Base 50 shot- Built Greddy TT 10.375@132.41mph 1.567 60ft Slicks
2. AudibleMayhem ----03 TH400 Tour 100 shot Built Greddy TT 10.404@134.00mph 1.729 60ft Slicks
3. Alberto ----------03 6spd Track ---------Built Greddy TT 11.190@126.18mph 1.670 60ft ET Str
4. ForceFedZ --------03 6spd Track--------------- Greddy TT 11.205@129.98mph 1.908 60ft ET Str
5. Silver Nismo -----04 6spd Track -------- Built Greddy TT 11.275@129.87mph 1.599 60ft DR's
6. CoachK -----------03 Auto -Enth 35 shot-----------APS TT 11.302@124.06mph 1.790 60ft DR's
7. MRCMortorsports --03 6spd Tour -------------Built APS TT 11.304@124.30mph 1.606 60ft DR's
8. Sharif@Forged ----04 6spd Enth---------- Built Greddy TT 11.470@131.96mph 1.981 60ft DR's
9. 03_ppw350z -------03 6spd Enth ----------Built Greddy TT 11.497@125.23mph 1.759 60ft ET Str
10. BriGuymax -------03 6spd Tour -------------------APS TT 11.536@120.80mph 1.701 60ft Slicks
11. Gators2001 ------05 6spd Enth -----------(Built) APS TT 11.618@124.82mph 1.782 60ft Slicks
12. Eagletanggreen --05 6spd 35th--------Built 850bb JWT TT 11.633@123.63mph 1.882 60ft DR's
13. kevinapex -------03 6spd Tour -----------Speed Force TT 11.659@122.85mph 1.929 60ft DRs
14. BRING IT --------03 6spd Tour 35 shot --------Greddy TT 11.707@117.83mph 1.742 60ft DR's
15. 500HPZ ----------03 6spd Base --------------- Greddy TT 11.838@118.60mph ----- 60ft
16. Kim--------------03 Auto 350z -------------Built APS TT 11.905@116.56mph 1.849 60ft Slicks
17. Eagletanggreen --05 6spd 35th --------------------PE TT 11.939@116.73mph 1.740 60ft DR's
18. InfinitiGT-R ----04 6spd G35 ------------------- APS TT 12.315@116.67mph 1.894 60ft DR's
19. Priscilla LS1 ---04 6spd Enth ------------- Built PE TT 12.357@110.62mph 1.903 60ft Slicks
20. SoundPerformance ---6spd------------------------- SP TT 12.363@123.40mph 2.250 60ft Street
21. Philthy ---------03 6spd G35 ---------------Built PE TT 12.374@119.82mph 2.184 60ft Street
22. 002-M-P ---------03 6spd Perf --------------- Greddy TT 12.384@116.49mph 2.123 60ft
23. Supra Crazy -----03 6spd Trak --------------- Greddy TT 12.393@118.89mph 2.077 60ft Street
24. 350z_2NR --------04 6spd Perf------------------- APS TT 12.399@113.77mph 2.012 60ft DR's
25. TheCajunstyle ---05 6spd Enth ------------------ JWT TT 12.431@111.17mph 1.777 60ft

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SuperCharger


1. 04TreeFiddy -------------04 Enth 6spd ----Vortech 12.171@113.55mph 1.790 60ft Verified DR's
2. BWicked -----------------03 350z 6spd---- Vortech 12.242@115.46mph 1.853 60ft Verified
3. Eltness350 --------------03 350z 6spd -Procharged 12.375@112.62mph 1.939 60ft Verified DR's
4. CJ350 -------------------05 Enth Auto --- Vortech 12.481@111.94mph 2.013 60ft Verified Street
5. Blackbird CPV35 ---------03 G35- 6spd ----Vortech 12.483@113.31mph 1.817 60ft Verified ET Str
6. OldManZ350 --------------03 Tour 6spd ----Vortech 12.510@112.19mph 1.901 60ft Verified DR's
7. Timrod1011 --------------03 Tour 6spd ----Vortech 12.676@111.80mph 1.900 60ft Verified DR's
8. Jouvert00 ---------------04 G35- 6spd ----Vortech 12.743@113.25mph 2.130 60ft Verified Street
9. Zachcrosen --------------04 350z Auto --- Vortech 12.851@108.56mph 2.039 60ft Street
10. Daddy_Z ----------------03 Trac 6spd -Procharged 12.877@109.26mph 1.859 60ft Verified DR's
11. Bigslim350z ------------04 Base 6spd -Procharged 12.946@111.47mph 1.923 60ft Verified Street
12. mudd -------------------05 Trac 6spd --- Vortech 12.996@112.73mph 2.133 60ft Verified street
13. ma_sha1 --------AWD-----05 G35- Auto ------- HKS 13.213@102.88mph 1.970 60ft Verified street
14. zzerotwosixty--Roadster-05 GT --6spd ----Vortech 13.313@107.35mph 2.149 60ft Verified street
15. Barzten1----------------03 350z 6spd ----Vortech 13.338@106.79mph 1.974 60ft Verified street
16. Gargoylez --------------04 Enth 6spd --------HKS 13.385@104.87mph 2.017 60ft Verified DR's
17.

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Single Turbo



1.InjectedPerf -04 Enth Glide 75 shot ( IP 4.2L ) IP ST _9.111@152.32mph 1.365 60ft Verified Slicks
2. AJ_350z ----03 Perf 6spd -------------------- TN ST 11.036@122.24mph 1.612 60ft Verified Slicks
3. One350zfan -03 Base 6spd 50 shot ------------ TN ST 11.238@120.06mph 1.598 60ft Verified DR's
4. Alberto ----03 Trac 6spd -------------------- TN ST 11.985@114.32mph 1.761 60ft Verified Slicks
5. 98Intrigue -04 G35- 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.252@114.70mph 1.909 60ft Verified DR's
6. nosurf2day -04 Tour 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.255@112.91mph 2.002 60ft Verified DRs
7. Taurran ----03 Trac 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.345@113.37mph 1.914 60ft Verified Street
8. D350Z10 ----04 Tour 6spd ------------ (Built) TN ST 12.348@112.78mph 2.129 60ft Verified Street
9. Diwun67 ----05 Enth 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.361@112.71mph 1.843 60ft Verified DR's
10. Zridder19 -03 Tour 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.487@110.42mph 1.821 60ft Verified DR's
11. Ipcheck ---03 Tour 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.583@116.56mph 2.090 60ft Verified Street
12. boostintt--03 Tour 6spd -------------------- TN ST 12.623@115.14mph 1.913 60ft Verified Street

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Nitrous Oxide Systems



1. one350zfan ----------03 Base 6spd 150 shot 11.832@113.32mph 1.653 60ft Verified DRs
2. AudibleMayhem -------03 Tour 6spd 150 shot 11.833@115.53mph 1.639 60ft Verified Slicks
3. 350z0827 ------------03 Tour 6spd 125 shot 11.896@117.12mph 1.639 60ft slicks
4. Integrity -----------03 Tour 6spd 100 shot 12.052@113.67mph 1.739 60ft Verified Slicks
5. Mysunset 350z -------03 Tour Auto 100 shot 12.621@108.46mph 1.742 60ft Verified Slicks
6. Faster than U -------05 Base 6spd 100 shot 12.662@110.84mph
7. VicPham -------------03 Tour 6spd 100 shot 12.804@111.55mph 2.090 60ft Verified Street
8. Blububble -----------04 Base 6spd 100 shot 13.120@108.58mph 1.994 60ft Verified Street

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Now compare the bolton DE to the bolton HR. Hmmm, where is the HR any stronger?? Yeah, that's what I thought. LOL! :-)



Not Stock/Bolt-Ons 03-06 VQ35DE

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED



1. AudibleMayhem ---Built Block -03 Tour 6spd 12.338@110.18mph 1.700 60ft Slicks
2. Sfarrah ----------------------03 Enth 6spd 12.876@107.81mph 1.750 60ft DR's
3. Veetec -----------------------04 Base 6spd 13.010@105.69mph 1.804 60ft DR's
4. Aceman------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.064@105.50mph 1.809 60ft Et Str
5. Alberto ----------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.131@107.15mph 1.895 60ft Slicks
6. DayBlueZ ---------------------04 Tour Auto 13.170@103.19mph 1.922 60ft Street
7. 3hree5ive0ero ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.212@104.75mph 1.896 60ft Slicks
8. Zridder19 --------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.226@104.29mph 1.893 60ft DR's
9. Trey.Hutcheson ----- SEDAN ---05 G35- 6spd 13.264@103.96mph 1.895 60ft DR's
10. Davidv ----------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.331@105.24mph 1.947 60ft Street
11. Mojo Powered ----------------04 Tour 6spd 13.349@103.32mph 1.919 60ft DR's
12. Corsair ---------------------03 Perf 6spd 13.377@103.08mph 1.913 60ft DR's
13. 04treefiddy------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.379@101.95mph 1.901 60ft DR's
14. Integrity -------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.396@103.82mph 1.899 60ft Slicks
15. JG 350z ---------------------05 Enth 6spd 13.454@102.92mph 1.965 60ft Street
16. 350z_Redline ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.488@103.92mph 1.992 60ft Street
17. DomZ ------------------------03 Tour Auto 13.494@101.89mph 1.956 60ft Street
18. Shifty711 -------------------05 35th 6spd 13.557@103.39mph 2.081 60ft Street
19. Supra Crazy -----------------03 Trac 6spd 13.572@107.10mph 2.175 60ft Street
20. abailey269 --------- SEDAN --04 G35_ 6spd 13.631@101.81mph 1.966 60ft DR's
21. Walkert ---------------------05 Base 6spd 13.640@101.57mph 2.048 60ft Street
22. VicPham ---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.653@103.15mph 2.195 60ft Street
23. TyWinter---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.664@102.91mph 1.953 60ft Slicks
24. Gotbooost--------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.669@101.52mph 2.029 60ft Street
25. keznevin --------------------05 Tour 6spd 13.691@_99.73mph 1.987 60ft Street

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Not Stock/Bolt-ons 07+ VQ35HR

1. Gooey -------------------------- 07 Enth 6spd 12.947@107.11mph 1.796 60ft Verified DR's
2. WalkerT------------------------- 07 Base 6spd 13.424@105.14mph 2.145 60ft Verified Street
3. Seb-Specialty-Z----------------- 07 Enth Auto 13.556@104.17mph 2.045 60ft Verified DR's
4. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.605@104.52mph 2.080 60ft Verified Street
5. rkemp1 --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.735@104.07mph 2.107 60ft Verified Street
6. Skorch --------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.792@102.79mph 2.098 60ft Verified Street
7. Faithmassive-------------------- 07 Base 6spd 13.979@102.66mph 2.321 60ft Verified Street

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Old 03-06-2008, 03:33 AM
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^ That is a joke right? You have to look at the time and understand what you are looking at. Look at 60' times and trap speeds.

Here is an overlay of my 07 stock vrs my moded 05 Enjoy Aceman has one of the strongest DE's out there.
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Lol, here we go again.

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Your really cant take anything away from the VQ35HR engine.. There are a bunch of mods yet to come out or that are already out that will benefit them even more.

Gooeys car has exhaust, test pipes and gears. If things such as

Pullies
Flywheel
CAMS
Reflash or Tune
Maybe even a better Header design
And with the Tune, i believe the intakes will perform better.

It can only get better for the VQ35HR from here on.

Later
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Yea we don't need another "who is better" thread.
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You have no clue wtf your talking about Gotchick.

The HR is a much strong engine, it runs stock faster than bolt on DE's.

And Gooey just ran a 12.8-12.9 again at 108 mph with his few bolt ons.

100% stock down to the tire

ALL TIMES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED


1. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.198@105.71mph 1.971 60ft
2. Peak350 -------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.465@106.86mph 2.227 60ft
5. 2007-Z --------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.540@102.20mph 2.068 60ft
6. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
7. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
8. DomZ ----------------------------03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
9. pistols07Z ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.675@102.31mph 2.150 60ft
10. BriGuyMax ----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
11. Specv_USMC ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
12. 1.8T ---------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
13. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
14. Alberto ------------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.779@101.40mph 2.052 60ft
15. gsingh350Z ---------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.799@102.39mph 2.247 60ft
16. AJcool2 ------------------------04 Tour Auto 13.852@100.25mph 2.127 60ft
17. Gripfordough -------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.861@ 99.36mph 2.105 60ft
18. Accordaleer --------------------07 Tour Auto 13.872@101.xxmph x.xxx 60ft
19. Davidv -------------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.897@101.07mph 2.026 60ft
20. fishbait -----------------------07 _GT_ 6spd 13.905@101.56mph 2.274 60ft
21. 350zshopper---------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.936@100.84mph 2.193 60ft
22. dave079-------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.945@101.29mph 2.130 60ft
23. 350JAR -------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.947@102.65mph 2.259 60ft
24. Integrity ----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.951@101.10mph 2.140 60ft
25. Faithmassive -------------------07 Base 6spd 14.012@100.71mph 2.228 60ft
26. cp79shark ----------------------07 Nsmo 6spd 14.017@_97.83mph 2.152 60ft
27. carlos067 ----------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.029@101.78mph 2.118 60ft
28. Mid117 -------------------------06 Base 6spd 14.041@100.57mph 2.217 60ft
29. Bigo109 ------------------------03 Enth Auto 14.145@_96.97mph_2.077 60ft
30. Jonny Boy ----------------------06 _GT_ 6spd 14.297@_99.50mph_2.285 60ft
31. TyWinter -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 14.375@_98.48mph_2.215 60ft
32. TheKinn ------------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.393@_99.49mph 2.357 60ft

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Old 03-06-2008, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by aceman
Your really cant take anything away from the VQ35HR engine.. There are a bunch of mods yet to come out or that are already out that will benefit them even more.

Gooeys car has exhaust, test pipes and gears. If things such as

Pullies
Flywheel
CAMS
Reflash or Tune
Maybe even a better Header design
And with the Tune, i believe the intakes will perform better.

It can only get better for the VQ35HR from here on.

Later
Todd
+1.

Hey Aceman, did you used to have a black 5th gen Maxima?

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Old 03-06-2008, 05:14 AM
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Lol. Her argument is weak. She knows damn well that there is no type of FI out for the HR, and yet she presents the Top 25 list for for FI. I am not going to waste my time arguing with her.

Some people can't handle the truth.


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