Injector Installation Help
You sold a product that by your own admission shouldn't require spacers. You are offering to fix an item that shouldn't have needed fixing.
WHY WON'T YOU REFUND THE MONEY FOR THE INJECTORS NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL REQUIRE FIXING TO MAKE IT FIT STOCK RAILS?
You claimed it would work with stock rails. They were sold on that basis. Even with spacers, they WILL NOT WORK WITH STOCK RAILS. They require machining.
I can understand your position - you sold these with pics and the buyer accepted. I can understand you don't want the headache of trying to sell them again. Honestly if you had just said you didn't know if they'd work with the stock rails, and the buyer accepted that, then it would be on them. But that's not the case.
You've got to fulfill your claim - these will work with the stock rail. If you're willing to pay all machining costs and for the spacers, then that might be something, but even there, the buyer shouldn't have to put up with that headache because something you claimed during the sale turned out to be false.
WHY WON'T YOU REFUND THE MONEY FOR THE INJECTORS NOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL REQUIRE FIXING TO MAKE IT FIT STOCK RAILS?
You claimed it would work with stock rails. They were sold on that basis. Even with spacers, they WILL NOT WORK WITH STOCK RAILS. They require machining.
I can understand your position - you sold these with pics and the buyer accepted. I can understand you don't want the headache of trying to sell them again. Honestly if you had just said you didn't know if they'd work with the stock rails, and the buyer accepted that, then it would be on them. But that's not the case.
You've got to fulfill your claim - these will work with the stock rail. If you're willing to pay all machining costs and for the spacers, then that might be something, but even there, the buyer shouldn't have to put up with that headache because something you claimed during the sale turned out to be false.
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Honestly out of all the guys posted thus far, your the only person who has made some sense. I'm also not offering to "fix" anything. Fixing something implies that it's broken and these are not. These have 0 miles on them and were as good as new. They worked fine in my rails which are identical to the stock rails. Further my rails now have OEM injectors in them and work fine. I didn't have the spacers nor did I say they were included in the sale. I knew they need clips and if you look at my FS thread then you'll see that I had two sets available at an additional cost. My post was clear as was the pic posted and the extra pic I sent her/him via PM. I offered to buy the spacers and send them out of good will even though it was clear that this was an injectors only sale.
We are not here to make sense...we are here to collect funds that was paid for a false ad.
Hear me when I say...wont be able to sell a tooth pick.
Come on now, if projektz puts forth a good faith effort, I think minus500 will come around. Post up pics of these injectors with the stock rails - let's see if we can't figure this out before we e-nail someone to the e-cross.I can't tell who's bs'ing who, if indeed someone is. Clue us in!
I have talked to a few shops and they say these injectors need to be machined to fit. He told me these would fit with no modification needed. If you do a google search (wish I would have done beforehand instead of trusting the seller) These are used in EVO's STi's and other nissan engines. Not 350Z.. In Minus's 1st post he said he would call altered and talk to them about it but he did not. I called them and they said these injectors need to be machined to fit.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE CLIPS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE CLIPS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
^^^At least somebody is decent and is logical. I didn't rip anyone off. I think that there is some inexperience....possibly. As noted, these were run on my built VQ and I now run factory injectors in the very same rails which I will definitely snap pics of today and post cause this is turning into a pathetic witch hunt. I already admitted based on my own research that they need spacers which I offered to send own my dime. That wasn't intentional and it wasn't like I was advertising spacers, clips, etc in the ad. Not exactly anway...I did have clips but I clearly marked in the ad that they were extra.
^^^At least somebody is decent and is logical. I didn't rip anyone off. I think that there is some inexperience....possibly. As noted, these were run on my built VQ and I now run factory injectors in the very same rails which I will definitely snap pics of today and post cause this is turning into a pathetic witch hunt. I already admitted based on my own research that they need spacers which I offered to send own my dime. That wasn't intentional and it wasn't like I was advertising spacers, clips, etc in the ad. Not exactly anway...I did have clips but I clearly marked in the ad that they were extra.
I have talked to a few shops and they say these injectors need to be machined to fit. He told me these would fit with no modification needed. If you do a google search (wish I would have done beforehand instead of trusting the seller) These are used in EVO's STi's and other nissan engines. Not 350Z.. In Minus's 1st post he said he would call altered and talk to them about it but he did not. I called them and they said these injectors need to be machined to fit.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE CLIPS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE CLIPS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
REFUND IS DUE ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT NOW EVEN IF THESE WORKED FOR YOU MINUS. IT MAY NOT BE YOUR FAULT AT ALL - JUST PART OF SELLING. I now hand over this thread to XKR for sentencing...
Last edited by rcdash; Jan 21, 2009 at 12:44 PM.
I have talked to a few shops and they say these injectors need to be machined to fit. He told me these would fit with no modification needed. If you do a google search (wish I would have done beforehand instead of trusting the seller) These are used in EVO's STi's and other nissan engines. Not 350Z.. In Minus's 1st post he said he would call altered and talk to them about it but he did not. I called them and they said these injectors need to be machined to fit.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE CLIPS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
AND ONCE AGAIN THE CLIPS ARE NOT THE ISSUE.
MINUS500, the machining requirement is the issue at this point. No getting around that. Sharif even posted to that effect. Unless you can refute that? It is possible that your rails will accept both stock and these injectors - but the stock rails will not. It's all a matter of tolerances.
You cannot possibly expect the buyer to machine this. Refund.
You cannot possibly expect the buyer to machine this. Refund.
MINUS500, the machining requirement is the issue at this point. No getting around that. Sharif even posted to that effect. Unless you can refute that? It is possible that your rails will accept both stock and these injectors - but the stock rails will not. It's all a matter of tolerances.
You cannot possibly expect the buyer to machine this. Refund.
You cannot possibly expect the buyer to machine this. Refund.
How many shops have to get on here to support Sharif's and projektZ's statements that these injectors require machining to properly fit the stock fuel rails before minus500 stops this ridiculous BULLCRAP?!?!?!
Quit being a defiant weasel and REFUND THE LADY!!!
If it were the rails that would be one thing but it's not and again I didn't rip anyone off. How could these injectors and stock injectors fit in my rails and these won't go into OEM rails? If the stock injectors fit in my rails then wouldn't it be obvious that it would be vice versa 6 of this and half a dozen of the other?
Last edited by minus500; Jan 21, 2009 at 01:28 PM.
If it were the rails that would be one thing but it's not and again I didn't rip anyone off. How could these injectors and stock injectors fit in my rails and these won't go into OEM rails? If the stock injectors fit in my rails then wouldn't it be obvious that it would be vice versa 6 of this and half a dozen of the other?
I am beginning to think you bought these in error, AAM told you they wouldn't work, and now you off loaded them onto someone else. I can think of no other reason for the run around here.
Last edited by rcdash; Jan 21, 2009 at 01:42 PM.
If your rails are machined differently, then it is entirely possible for them to accept a wider range of injectors than stock. This is getting ridiculous. You have not tested them in stock rails. You cannot assume they will work based on the fact that stock injectors fit in your rails. That is not a foolproof test.
I am beginning to think you bought these, AAM told you they wouldn't work, and now you off loaded them onto someone else. I can think of no other reason for the run around here.
I am beginning to think you bought these, AAM told you they wouldn't work, and now you off loaded them onto someone else. I can think of no other reason for the run around here.
And no, I don't have "magic" rails.
Last edited by minus500; Jan 21, 2009 at 01:47 PM.
Yea I am switching over my paypal asap. the only reason I had it up to checking was so I could be a verified buyer and be more trusting to the sellers. Guess I really need to protect myself 1st in this world.
I hope no one else gets scammed.
Big thanks to everyone for trying to get this guy to do the right thing. I appreciate all the support.
I hope no one else gets scammed.
Big thanks to everyone for trying to get this guy to do the right thing. I appreciate all the support.
The FI guys already put notices in all his other FS threads. The title of this thread should be changed to "MINUS500 is a SCAMMER" and it should go over into the FI section if the mods allow it.
I bet Ernie wishes he could change his positive iTrader rating that he initially gave minus500.