The basics to swap a LS1 in the Z....
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Just for fun I think I might pick up a cheap mx5 and throw in an ls2. It'll be like strapping a boeing 747 engine to a go kart lol. Those ls mx5's look fun as hell.
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Found a LSX for 700. Don't wanna go that route but honestly guess it don't matter since I'm going to build it on the stand. Currently switching jobs so that's slowing me down too. Pay cut for a few months (training) then almost double what I made so that will speed this up
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One of the easy routes for a 500whp+ LS swap is to get the CTS-V LSA engine. They go for ~$11k http://www.crateenginedepot.com/LSA-...10805C556.aspx or you may find them cheaper if you shop around.
You can use the CD0009 and make a tranny adaptor and flywheel spacer (you may have to use the LSx AT flex-plate and bolt it to the MT flywheel since the spacer will push the MT flywheel away from the starter) I know a guy who did that in his LS1 swap and using the CD0009 tranny and clutch and its running fine. Also I'm doing the same in my 2JZ swap.
You can use the CD0009 and make a tranny adaptor and flywheel spacer (you may have to use the LSx AT flex-plate and bolt it to the MT flywheel since the spacer will push the MT flywheel away from the starter) I know a guy who did that in his LS1 swap and using the CD0009 tranny and clutch and its running fine. Also I'm doing the same in my 2JZ swap.
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One of the easy routes for a 500whp+ LS swap is to get the CTS-V LSA engine. They go for ~$11k http://www.crateenginedepot.com/LSA-...10805C556.aspx or you may find them cheaper if you shop around.
You can use the CD0009 and make a tranny adaptor and flywheel spacer (you may have to use the LSx AT flex-plate and bolt it to the MT flywheel since the spacer will push the MT flywheel away from the starter) I know a guy who did that in his LS1 swap and using the CD0009 tranny and clutch and its running fine. Also I'm doing the same in my 2JZ swap.
You can use the CD0009 and make a tranny adaptor and flywheel spacer (you may have to use the LSx AT flex-plate and bolt it to the MT flywheel since the spacer will push the MT flywheel away from the starter) I know a guy who did that in his LS1 swap and using the CD0009 tranny and clutch and its running fine. Also I'm doing the same in my 2JZ swap.
Anway great info, share if you would
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Not to hijack this thread, but that sounds awesome. Could you send me info on this? or start a DIY thread? I know many people including me are not T-56 fans and the price of a T-56 or other alternative when there is already an awesome (but heavy) transmission sitting in the car doesn't make sense. I've seen an adapter kit for the SR-20 to use the CD00x and the SR crowd loves it except for the weight, but given the fragility of the SR tranny.
Anway great info, share if you would
Anway great info, share if you would
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What I like about this choice is that you have a 500whp swap with a completely stock engine. Quiet, fast and most important reliable.
The owner of the Z is in this site but I haven't seen him online in years. I know the mechanic who did this and I will ask him later today and post what I get.
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They used an A/T flexplate because its narrower than the M/T flywheel.
Now the only thing that I really want to know is how that guy in Bahrain made the OEM tacho-meter read the signal from the 2JZ.
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Ok lets get this back on track. Heres a link for one guy im talking to about a 5.3 engine
http://greensboro.craigslist.org/pts/4244364272.html
Im gonna talk him way down but it would save me $ over the LS1 plus im going to build it on the stand before it goes in anyways
Also I really need more info on the CD009 trans working. Midz can you get me a contact number? Im going to call Bobby at CIN tomorrow but I dont even think he has experience with this but would save me 1500+.
And Armt I agree if its going to cost me a lot more money to make the factory tach work I will put in a aftermarket one. My biggest thing is AC and passing obd2 emissions test
http://greensboro.craigslist.org/pts/4244364272.html
Im gonna talk him way down but it would save me $ over the LS1 plus im going to build it on the stand before it goes in anyways
Also I really need more info on the CD009 trans working. Midz can you get me a contact number? Im going to call Bobby at CIN tomorrow but I dont even think he has experience with this but would save me 1500+.
And Armt I agree if its going to cost me a lot more money to make the factory tach work I will put in a aftermarket one. My biggest thing is AC and passing obd2 emissions test
#76
after 3 hours and still being confused of the best cheapest route for the engine. So fcking many different choices and I dont have a lot of education on the differences. Bout to go look back on the LS swap thread. I remember Sparkle posting engines and years and differences
#77
ok so after 2 more hours 13 pages of re reading the ls swap thread for the idk 5th time i bet here is the post from sparkle about engines
In a nutshell, below is what I've started to pull together about the different engines. Now I'm going to try and add their weights, whether or not Sikky/Hinson/Fueled's kits will work with each one for the Z, and what transmission options are available. Then I'm going to start putting together the ballpark prices for dropouts of each (eBay) so that I can compare power, weight, and normal cost of each option. Then I can start to make some notes about the known advantages/disadvantages when it comes to trying add power or swap this particular motor into the Z. That way, I'll end up with a spreadsheet that I can look over before making my final decision on which direction to go.
VQ35DE (2003-2006)
- all aluminum 3.5L V6
- rated at 287hp and 260tq
VQ35HR (2007-2009)
- all aluminum strengthened and redesigned 3.5L V6
- rated at 306hp and 268tq
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Gen III - LS1 (1997-2004)
- all alluminum 5.7L (Corvette, Camaro Z28, Firebird)
- rated at 350hp and 365tq since 2001
- rated at 305-325 in F-Body cars
- Crate Engine $5300
Gen III - LS6 (2001-2004)
- higher output version of LS1 (Corvette C5 Z06, CTS V-series)
- rated at 385hp and 385tq initially, then 405hp and 400tq 2002-2004
- Crate Engine $6000
Gen III - LQ4 (1999-????)
- iron block 6.0L vortec 6000 truck version (Suburban, Yukon, Hummer)
- 1999 & 2000 models had cast iron heads as well
- rated at 300-325hp and 360-370tq
- Crate Engine $3300
Gen III - LQ9 (2002- 2007)
- high output/performance version of LQ4 (Escalade, Silverado)
- rated at 345hp and 380tq
- Crate Engine $3500
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Gen IV - LS2 (2005-2007)
- similar to LS6 but with improved torque curve (GTO, SSR, Corvette,CTS-V)
- higher compression than LS1 and LS6
- rated at 400hp and 400tq
- Crate Engine $6400
Gen IV - LS7 (2006-Present)
- sleeved 7.0L version of LS2 with larger bore & stroke (Corvette Z06)
- rated at 505hp and 470tq
- Crate Engine $13500
Gen IV - L92 (2007-Present)
- all aluminum 6.2L Vortec 6200 engine (Escalade/Yukon/Hummer)
- rated at 403hp and 417tq
- Crate Engine $3500
Gen IV - LS3 (2008-Present)
- larger bore version of LS2 bringing it to 6.1L with L92 heads (Corvette, Camaro SS, G8)
- rated at 430hp and 424tq
- Crate Engine $7000
Gen IV - LS9 (2009-Present)
- Eaton 2.3L Roots Type Supercharged 6.1L LS3 (Corvette ZR1)
- rated at 638hp and 604tq
- Crate Engine $21000
Gen IV - LSA (2009-Present)
- Eaton 1.9L Roots Type Supercharged 6.2L similar to LS9 (CTS-V, Camaro ZL1)
- rated at 556hp and 551tq in CTS-V
- rated 580hp in Camaro ZL1
- Crate Engine $11000
EDIT: I added GM crate engine pricing for each for a general cost comparison between models.
VQ35DE (2003-2006)
- all aluminum 3.5L V6
- rated at 287hp and 260tq
VQ35HR (2007-2009)
- all aluminum strengthened and redesigned 3.5L V6
- rated at 306hp and 268tq
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Gen III - LS1 (1997-2004)
- all alluminum 5.7L (Corvette, Camaro Z28, Firebird)
- rated at 350hp and 365tq since 2001
- rated at 305-325 in F-Body cars
- Crate Engine $5300
Gen III - LS6 (2001-2004)
- higher output version of LS1 (Corvette C5 Z06, CTS V-series)
- rated at 385hp and 385tq initially, then 405hp and 400tq 2002-2004
- Crate Engine $6000
Gen III - LQ4 (1999-????)
- iron block 6.0L vortec 6000 truck version (Suburban, Yukon, Hummer)
- 1999 & 2000 models had cast iron heads as well
- rated at 300-325hp and 360-370tq
- Crate Engine $3300
Gen III - LQ9 (2002- 2007)
- high output/performance version of LQ4 (Escalade, Silverado)
- rated at 345hp and 380tq
- Crate Engine $3500
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Gen IV - LS2 (2005-2007)
- similar to LS6 but with improved torque curve (GTO, SSR, Corvette,CTS-V)
- higher compression than LS1 and LS6
- rated at 400hp and 400tq
- Crate Engine $6400
Gen IV - LS7 (2006-Present)
- sleeved 7.0L version of LS2 with larger bore & stroke (Corvette Z06)
- rated at 505hp and 470tq
- Crate Engine $13500
Gen IV - L92 (2007-Present)
- all aluminum 6.2L Vortec 6200 engine (Escalade/Yukon/Hummer)
- rated at 403hp and 417tq
- Crate Engine $3500
Gen IV - LS3 (2008-Present)
- larger bore version of LS2 bringing it to 6.1L with L92 heads (Corvette, Camaro SS, G8)
- rated at 430hp and 424tq
- Crate Engine $7000
Gen IV - LS9 (2009-Present)
- Eaton 2.3L Roots Type Supercharged 6.1L LS3 (Corvette ZR1)
- rated at 638hp and 604tq
- Crate Engine $21000
Gen IV - LSA (2009-Present)
- Eaton 1.9L Roots Type Supercharged 6.2L similar to LS9 (CTS-V, Camaro ZL1)
- rated at 556hp and 551tq in CTS-V
- rated 580hp in Camaro ZL1
- Crate Engine $11000
EDIT: I added GM crate engine pricing for each for a general cost comparison between models.
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Its almost exactly what these Lexus guys doing but instead of the 2JZ stuff you use the LS parts:
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/perf...dapter-12.html
I think if there is enough people who want to do this Im sure CollinsAdapters will make an adaption kit.
http://www.clublexus.com/forums/perf...dapter-12.html
I think if there is enough people who want to do this Im sure CollinsAdapters will make an adaption kit.
#79
Heres a great post from Brew about the LQ9 which the more I read seems its the best bang for the buck engine
This is the exact route that i went. You can fine a LQ9 long block for 800-1200
All of the sikky swap kit will work and fueled racing
With either kit if you use a t56 and it is out of a F - body you will need the GTO shifter lever.
The truck intake will clear the hood fine they are just meant for lower end TQ since it was in a truck.
L92 heads you can find a dime a dozen on most any forums. They work great to get the compression up on the LQ9's
Just with bolt ons on my LQ9 i made 470hp and 438tq and have yet to get time to make some NO2 runs. If you have a good tuner 200 shot is fine for track use other wise for safer street runs i would do a 150.
Hp tuners is great for the stock ECU thats what i and a bunch of other people are using.
I ran a fuel return with CJM fuel correction kit.
If you have any questions feel free to PM me
All of the sikky swap kit will work and fueled racing
With either kit if you use a t56 and it is out of a F - body you will need the GTO shifter lever.
The truck intake will clear the hood fine they are just meant for lower end TQ since it was in a truck.
L92 heads you can find a dime a dozen on most any forums. They work great to get the compression up on the LQ9's
Just with bolt ons on my LQ9 i made 470hp and 438tq and have yet to get time to make some NO2 runs. If you have a good tuner 200 shot is fine for track use other wise for safer street runs i would do a 150.
Hp tuners is great for the stock ECU thats what i and a bunch of other people are using.
I ran a fuel return with CJM fuel correction kit.
If you have any questions feel free to PM me