Finished my Z for this season, what u guys think?
09-22-2009, 09:17 AM
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Seriously, I think the car looks great. I've never been a fan of the Roadsters because I think the *** end just looks too huge, but I do think with the top down, they look great.
Orange is my favorite color, and adding the CF accents and black theme is exactly what I would do because I love the combo.
Its tastefully done, not overdone, and it is what the OP wants and likes, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.
Constructive criticism is one thing, but bashing back and forth is just pointless on an internet forum. You can't even convey real emotions and the lack of thick skin by many a person just asks for threads like this.
OP, keep going with your theme. You're right, many more people do like it, and even some who disliked something about it, respected it for what it was and how clean and well done it is.
Orange is my favorite color, and adding the CF accents and black theme is exactly what I would do because I love the combo.
Its tastefully done, not overdone, and it is what the OP wants and likes, otherwise he wouldn't have done it.
Constructive criticism is one thing, but bashing back and forth is just pointless on an internet forum. You can't even convey real emotions and the lack of thick skin by many a person just asks for threads like this.
OP, keep going with your theme. You're right, many more people do like it, and even some who disliked something about it, respected it for what it was and how clean and well done it is.
I will repost my words again to keep this revision of history from taking root:
Originally Posted by motormouth
I don't like the orange/black two tone look. two tone is a terrible look for a lot of colors. the interior isn't helping either.
also you need some light spacers to get the proper stance.
also you need some light spacers to get the proper stance.
not everyone has to like your car.
And the later flame fest had 0 to do with his car to be honest, I even softened my original statement to diffuse the boiling controversy, but he walked right by it and continued until he got personal and that is what happens. it was based on pictures of clown cars and him calling me a red neck or something for christsake. I live in the northeast and in a major urban city, lol. It was stupid. though he - I assume - was taking it seriously, I was only having a bit of fun with him while I was writing a paper.
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09-22-2009, 09:25 AM
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No offense taken, I dont work on Z's as a profession. And most of the parts you order are probably from an online source so it's extremely hard to pcs together the end result of the car's appearance. Its some what of a gamble, even though I think my car turned out great (in my opinion).
But there is a big difference between how Allen331 "voiced" his opinion on how the car "may" look better, then MotorMouth simply just stating "your car is terrible" and I should look at well executed Z's like "Chebosto" who owns a performance shops and probably spent well over $50K+ into his Z.
If i would allocate that much funds into a car upgrade, I would most defiantly not put it into a Z. It would more likely put a down payment on a exotic or at least a 911 porsche.
But there is a big difference between how Allen331 "voiced" his opinion on how the car "may" look better, then MotorMouth simply just stating "your car is terrible" and I should look at well executed Z's like "Chebosto" who owns a performance shops and probably spent well over $50K+ into his Z.
If i would allocate that much funds into a car upgrade, I would most defiantly not put it into a Z. It would more likely put a down payment on a exotic or at least a 911 porsche.
once again, and I am clarifiying this because you continually show you have basically 0 reading comprehension: I did not call YOUR car terrible.
I said, to quote:
Originally Posted by motormouth
I don't like the orange/black two tone look. two tone is a terrible look for a lot of colors.
Originally Posted by motormouth
if you think terrible should only be used for ricers, than no, your car is not terrible.
could it better? yes, and that is all I was getting at.
could it better? yes, and that is all I was getting at.
Originally Posted by motormouth
we are talking about pictures here so I could be wrong, but I've seen and driven the Z in your specific color and am saying I do not see the similarity.
And Chebosto does not own a performance shop either the last time I checked, and paid for the mods himself but nice try. I never said you need his turbo kit, or his specific body kit or his volk rims. But truth be told, when he first started and he only had a couple parts, it was still better done than yours at the same stage. Finalforce only has a hood, suspension and some rims (now a lip spolier). the money you put into it doesn't matter.
I gave you my opinion which you didn't like (boo hoo) and told you how I thought you could improve the car (add spacers) easily. that you are offended is no less than hilarious to me.
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09-22-2009, 09:28 AM
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I'm not upset. The ultimate outcome of this thread doesn't affect me one way or another (see my responses to similar posts in other threads re: Riceroni for instance). My apparent focus on your comments about the car's stance were used mostly as an example--those were they with which I found I disagreed with you most. You seem to have gone to quite some length to show that I am "uninformed and wrong," entirely overly defensive without really addressing the root of my argument so I can see you're not that interested in what the others in this thread actually have to say. Continuing this discussion will only be a lesson in futility.
This comment was made as an end to the debate; I really think the OP would probably like his thread back. If you feel the need to carry on, feel free to PM me.
This comment was made as an end to the debate; I really think the OP would probably like his thread back. If you feel the need to carry on, feel free to PM me.
09-22-2009, 09:41 AM
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I'm not upset. The ultimate outcome of this thread doesn't affect me one way or another (see my responses to similar posts in other threads re: Riceroni for instance). My apparent focus on your comments about the car's stance were used mostly as an example--those were they with which I found I disagreed with you most. You seem to have gone to quite some length to show that I am "uninformed and wrong," entirely overly defensive without really addressing the root of my argument so I can see you're not that interested in what the others in this thread actually have to say. Continuing this discussion will only be a lesson in futility.
This comment was made as an end to the debate; I really think the OP would probably like his thread back. If you feel the need to carry on, feel free to PM me.
This comment was made as an end to the debate; I really think the OP would probably like his thread back. If you feel the need to carry on, feel free to PM me.
So explain to me how 8.5/9.5 - regardless of offset is the 'maximum width' he can go without modifying his fenders.
and which fenders need to be modified? the fronts, rears? and modified how? cut, rolled, pulled?
what about tire size?
what about his ride height?
do you know all of this info?
Originally Posted by crashwarren
No no... I'm seriously done. I mean, I could keep going, but I don't wanna give this guy a stroke or something... Best to just let it go.
I might not like cginc's car that much, but I do care that he might possibly take your advice.
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09-22-2009, 10:43 AM
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*sigh*
What we don't want is rubber rubbing the inside, or god forbid, the under edge of the fender. When driving at speed over roads prone to potholes and/or dips and bumps, it's easy to have two to three inches of suspension movement in one go. Not that that would even be desirable since with 20" rims you're in danger of damaging the rims under such conditions. You also have to think about body roll in the turns.
IN THE REAR. It's okay to push the outermost edge of the wheel to within a millimeter or two of the inside surface of the fender without fear of hot rubber on fender action.
IN THE FRONT. It gets a bit more complex due to the change in suspension geometry when you turn the wheels one way or another.
To answer your questions, under the circumstances, if he were to get much wider in the rear, I'd suggest rolling. Rolling, however is an ugly solution in my opinion and I would therefore again advise against it. For one, if you do it wrong, you'd have to replace your quarter panel and that's not a cheep prospect. For another, I think it looks ghetto even done properly. Best bet? Don't push your luck and leave it how it is.
I have to assume he left his tire size the same since changing tire sizes (DIAMETRICALLY, for the mentally impaired) would affect your speedometer and odometer's accuracy. Again, I'd strongly advise against changing that. I also think it would be incredibly ill-advised to install tires that were dramatically different in width from the wheels themselves. It can be done, but it's detriments outweigh it's benefits in my opinion.
Changing the ride height too much (which I don't think he has- just enough in fact) does also impact the efficacy of a wider stance as well as camber but those two factors and their relationship seem to be addressed from what I can tell of the photos.
Inevitably, if he took my advice he wouldn't be in any danger of experiencing problems on the street. And lets not talk about the unsprung weight added by wheel spacers (and probably longer studs). I'm talking functionality and you seem to want him to widen his stance based on an aesthetic value that I can't find any reason for. Hey, if you like your car that way, great! But I have 8.5/9.5 staggers and to me they're as close to the fenders as they need to be. It appears to be similar in spacing to what I see of the OPs car, but truthfully, I didn't know what his offset was, so I threw out the numbers brought to my mind. Note that I did say "looks like," and not "is/are." I'm well aware that other things factor into the fender rub equation, but those factors are, for the moment, irrelevant, out weighed by the fact that a wider stance could cause problems down the line.
Again, my use of your comments about stance were only as examples to the aggressiveness of your postings as I've read them in this thread. I had no intention of getting into a debate as to the validity or extent of your knowledge (or mine for that matter) in the area of stance widths and suspension geometry in regards to form and function. My aim was neither to upset you in any way. And your emotions are conveyed through your numerous responses whether you see it or not. In truth, I think I agree with most of the other things you said, although I wouldn't have put it in such words...
This post has gone on far longer that I had originally intended but I allowed it to simply for the sake of posterity. I'm not the type to intentionally appear misleading and I apologize if my original comments were not robust enough. I hope this satisfies you.
What we don't want is rubber rubbing the inside, or god forbid, the under edge of the fender. When driving at speed over roads prone to potholes and/or dips and bumps, it's easy to have two to three inches of suspension movement in one go. Not that that would even be desirable since with 20" rims you're in danger of damaging the rims under such conditions. You also have to think about body roll in the turns.
IN THE REAR. It's okay to push the outermost edge of the wheel to within a millimeter or two of the inside surface of the fender without fear of hot rubber on fender action.
IN THE FRONT. It gets a bit more complex due to the change in suspension geometry when you turn the wheels one way or another.
To answer your questions, under the circumstances, if he were to get much wider in the rear, I'd suggest rolling. Rolling, however is an ugly solution in my opinion and I would therefore again advise against it. For one, if you do it wrong, you'd have to replace your quarter panel and that's not a cheep prospect. For another, I think it looks ghetto even done properly. Best bet? Don't push your luck and leave it how it is.
I have to assume he left his tire size the same since changing tire sizes (DIAMETRICALLY, for the mentally impaired) would affect your speedometer and odometer's accuracy. Again, I'd strongly advise against changing that. I also think it would be incredibly ill-advised to install tires that were dramatically different in width from the wheels themselves. It can be done, but it's detriments outweigh it's benefits in my opinion.
Changing the ride height too much (which I don't think he has- just enough in fact) does also impact the efficacy of a wider stance as well as camber but those two factors and their relationship seem to be addressed from what I can tell of the photos.
Inevitably, if he took my advice he wouldn't be in any danger of experiencing problems on the street. And lets not talk about the unsprung weight added by wheel spacers (and probably longer studs). I'm talking functionality and you seem to want him to widen his stance based on an aesthetic value that I can't find any reason for. Hey, if you like your car that way, great! But I have 8.5/9.5 staggers and to me they're as close to the fenders as they need to be. It appears to be similar in spacing to what I see of the OPs car, but truthfully, I didn't know what his offset was, so I threw out the numbers brought to my mind. Note that I did say "looks like," and not "is/are." I'm well aware that other things factor into the fender rub equation, but those factors are, for the moment, irrelevant, out weighed by the fact that a wider stance could cause problems down the line.
Again, my use of your comments about stance were only as examples to the aggressiveness of your postings as I've read them in this thread. I had no intention of getting into a debate as to the validity or extent of your knowledge (or mine for that matter) in the area of stance widths and suspension geometry in regards to form and function. My aim was neither to upset you in any way. And your emotions are conveyed through your numerous responses whether you see it or not. In truth, I think I agree with most of the other things you said, although I wouldn't have put it in such words...
This post has gone on far longer that I had originally intended but I allowed it to simply for the sake of posterity. I'm not the type to intentionally appear misleading and I apologize if my original comments were not robust enough. I hope this satisfies you.
09-22-2009, 11:05 AM
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My finger barely fits in as is, and that "metal edging" inside the rear fender is already very very close to my tires. Im pretty sure i would need to roll my rear fenders IF spacers were added.
To me the risk is greater then the reward, in my opinion its not worth it (cost and risk wise) to gain a few millimeters of stance that is probably not noticeable.
To me the risk is greater then the reward, in my opinion its not worth it (cost and risk wise) to gain a few millimeters of stance that is probably not noticeable.
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09-22-2009, 11:09 AM
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Im running 9.0/10.5 staggered 20" on 245/285 tires, and it is very very close to the inside fender edging.
To Z owners who own the Axis matrix wheels, get them power coatd black in my opinion they look much better...see images.
To Z owners who own the Axis matrix wheels, get them power coatd black in my opinion they look much better...see images.
Last edited by cginc; 09-22-2009 at 11:17 AM.
09-22-2009, 11:36 AM
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What we don't want is rubber rubbing the inside, or god forbid, the under edge of the fender. When driving at speed over roads prone to potholes and/or dips and bumps, it's easy to have two to three inches of suspension movement in one go. Not that that would even be desirable since with 20" rims you're in danger of damaging the rims under such conditions. You also have to think about body roll in the turns.
IN THE REAR. It's okay to push the outermost edge of the wheel to within a millimeter or two of the inside surface of the fender without fear of hot rubber on fender action.
IN THE FRONT. It gets a bit more complex due to the change in suspension geometry when you turn the wheels one way or another.
To answer your questions, under the circumstances, if he were to get much wider in the rear, I'd suggest rolling. Rolling, however is an ugly solution in my opinion and I would therefore again advise against it. For one, if you do it wrong, you'd have to replace your quarter panel and that's not a cheep prospect. For another, I think it looks ghetto even done properly. Best bet? Don't push your luck and leave it how it is.
Personally, I ran a 19x10.5 +20 setup in the rear with a 275/35 tire with my rears unrolled and never once rubbed. I then went to a 18x10 +18 setup with a 275/40 and did not rub. when I slapped a 285/40 on there, it did rub while my car was lowered about 2 1/2 - 3 inches so we raised it and the rubbing went away.
I have to assume he left his tire size the same since changing tire sizes (DIAMETRICALLY, for the mentally impaired) would affect your speedometer and odometer's accuracy.
Again, I'd strongly advise against changing that. I also think it would be incredibly ill-advised to install tires that were dramatically different in width from the wheels themselves. It can be done, but it's detriments outweigh it's benefits in my opinion.
Changing the ride height too much (which I don't think he has- just enough in fact) does also impact the efficacy of a wider stance as well as camber but those two factors and their relationship seem to be addressed from what I can tell of the photos.
Inevitably, if he took my advice he wouldn't be in any danger of experiencing problems on the street.
And you are now implying that if he took my advice he would experience problems... do you think I was trying to destroy his car?
And lets not talk about the unsprung weight added by wheel spacers (and probably longer studs).
I'm talking functionality and you seem to want him to widen his stance based on an aesthetic value that I can't find any reason for.
Hey, if you like your car that way, great! But I have 8.5/9.5 staggers and to me they're as close to the fenders as they need to be.
It appears to be similar in spacing to what I see of the OPs car, but truthfully, I didn't know what his offset was, so I threw out the numbers brought to my mind. Note that I did say "looks like," and not "is/are." I'm well aware that other things factor into the fender rub equation, but those factors are, for the moment, irrelevant, out weighed by the fact that a wider stance could cause problems down the line.
Again, my use of your comments about stance were only as examples to the aggressiveness of your postings as I've read them in this thread. I had no intention of getting into a debate as to the validity or extent of your knowledge (or mine for that matter) in the area of stance widths and suspension geometry in regards to form and function. My aim was neither to upset you in any way. And your emotions are conveyed through your numerous responses whether you see it or not. In truth, I think I agree with most of the other things you said, although I wouldn't have put it in such words...
I on the other hand CAN support any recommendation I might make, and have many technical posts on this forum that give detailed information for people on L.S.D function, tire fitment, wheels and many other things, so even though I might not have spent the time to really drill into it here, I have in the past and still retain the knowledge.
After this posts I still think you lack a good understanding of suspension and wheel/tire set up, but thanks for elaborating.
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