Okay, I did a search using "s2000 350z". 484 results. Do you expect me to comb through all 484 prior posts before contributing my own comparison in order to ensure that I don't accidentally say something that has already been said before? Do you folks really think that this is realistic?

 

It's not called a "Chat Forum" anywhere that I've seen?

You are labelling "Forum" with the adjective of your choice, where you think it should be acceptable to chat about whatever you please, whenever you please, and post duplicate topics at your whim. I don't belive this is reasonable...

"Forum", by definition, is:
an assembly, meeting place, television program, etc., for the discussion of questions of public interest.

We can discuss topics here without reposting them 100 times. We need less "chat" attitude (your attitude) and more "discussion" attitude (search folks attitude). We can discuss in pre-existing threads. Let me repeat: WE CAN DISCUSS IN PRE-EXISTING THREADS [that you find via SEARCH].

Like I said before, this is not a "Chat Room". If you want a chatroom for 350z, start one on mIRC, AOL, or elsewhere. This is a Forum where information is brought together and discussed, but searching is expected so you don't make the search extremely difficult, crowded, and push good information off the first few pages with your useless posts.

This really is not that hard to understand.

 

Again, you are pointing out exactly why this "attitude" you discussed in your OP exists.

There would not be 484 results if people searched, found the related thread, and made their comments within that thread to revive the discussion on the topic.

It's win-win if you search.

You get to discuss your POV/.02, prior POV/.02 of others is revived, and you aren't clogging the board with non-sense reposts.

 

^ Apologies for the bold and italics, but obviously the OP needs important information pointed out...

 

You know what? You're right. There wouldn't be 484 results if people searched. But the fact of the matter is that there ARE 484 results. Right or wrong, whether you like it or not, there are 484 results. And you've conveniently sidestepped answering my question -- do you realistically expect me (or anyone else) to read through all 484 prior posts before giving their point of view? And you know this problem will only snowball, right? Because people in the past haven't been searching, there are already tons of duplicate threads, so when newcomers like me search and get 484 results, they are even less likely to go through all prior posts first. So what happens? They add more fuel the fire and repeat the vicious cycle. What's the solution? Oh wait, I didn't search on this. I should run a search on "vicious cycle" and "solution" first, shouldn't I? My bad.

Btw, regarding your remark that "You get to discuss your POV/.02, prior POV/.02 of others is revived, and you aren't clogging the board with non-sense reposts." I wasn't aware that I needed your personal permission to post to this board. Who made you God?

 

I don't know why I waste even a minute of my time trying to convince a newb that the system would work if he just followed it, but again, more proof that it could work...

Anyway, I did a quick 5 minute search project. The search for 350z, s2000, and owner took 10 seconds and I skimmed the few results turned up.

My result is finding what would have been a perfect thread for you to revive with your perspective S2k v. 350z experience. This thread had several people who have owned and/or driven both the s2000 and 350z offer their insights as to how they differ. It is a very informative post, not just hearsay about which is better. You're opinions (that you want to share, but are too "afraid") would have made a perfect follow-up and revived this very informative thread for more "discussion". More support for what I've been saying. Less "chat" and more "discussion in pre-existing threads".

Entitled: Initial 350z driving impressions from a s2000 owner
https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-nissan-350z/10778-initial-350z-driving-impressions-from-an-s2000-owner.html

Anyway, I think two things come to light after me performing this little 'task'.

1) People need to learn to search better: I know the search isn't bulletproof, but you turned up 484 results because you typed 350z s2000 and did no other narrowing. You could have narrowed it by typing a 3rd word (owner), you could have narrowed it by clicking "In Titles Only" or you could have narrowed it by specific forum, etc. There are many ways, but you chose to do none, leaving yourself with 10x the results I turned up.

2) People are too lazy to skim the results and choose the correct thread. I looked in 4 thread prior to finding the one I listed for you to "use". I got some good information from what I read in the first four, even if it wasn't exactly what I was looking for. And, at the end of the day, I only spent maybe 1-1.5 minutes in each of the first 4. So, it took me literally 5 minutes to come up with an "appropriate" thread to revive. In the meantime I didn't "lose" any of the time I spent...

Basically, It comes down to laziness; you would rather beech and complain for 20 minutes than take 5 minutes to search and post "correctly".

I'm done now; you lose.

 

In general, if I have a question, I search...and if I have an opinion I post. That being said, I'm also relatively new to posting on this forum (although I used to read posts before I owned a Z starting a few years back).

 

Fair enough. Point taken. I will try it your way. But FYI, I was skimming some posts yesterday, and came across one where the OP was from 2002, and a bunch of people piled on the guy who revived the thread making fun of him for answering a question from 2002, because the guy probably wasn't even around any more. Seems like you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. I could try to find the thread, but as you've pointed out, I'm lazy.

 

See, you underestimate the "system" once again.

If people searched more and revived more old threads, it would be unlikely that threads (unless they are totally worthless, current event related, etc.) would get to be 4 years old.

Case in point; I could find 301 "Popcharger" posts from 2003. However, if the 1004 people who searched "Popcharger" in 2004, would have revived the 03 thread, it would be an 04 thread. If the 2034 people who searched "Popcharger" in 2005, would have revived the 04 thread, it would be an 05 thread. And so on...

Theoretically, discussion threads would stay current and threads would have way more than the 3-7 responses they get now. It would be a better place to "live".

Again, you lose...

 

I understand what you're saying, but I'm wondering how one goes about fixing this problem, given that it's already so entrenched. How do you turn the tide, so to speak? Or is it a lost cause?

 

Wow, we finally found common ground... I also agree its "entrenched" and although a huge database of threads is good for knowledge, that it could be wittled down quite a bit without losing much effect.

For example, maybe its a good idea to remove all threads from 2002-2003 as a start? There can't be anything discussed in 02-03 that hasn't been discussed afterwards.

Maybe we need some Moderators that go through the database for certain topics (PopCharger, Turbonator, etc.) and select a few (5-10) good posts to retain, while deleting the rest.

I don't know the resolution, but something could/should be done.

The only problem is that you could take 2 months to "clean up" the site and the newb people who are against searching would just destroy it once again. In 2 years we'd be having the same discussion b/c we would have a popcharger post every other day for 2 years. I.e. we'd once again have 360 popcharger posts, as opposed to the 5-10 we wittled it down to.

 

LOL...Are you familiar with the Myth of Sisyphus? It's from Greek mythology. The short version is that Sisyphus was a naughty man, so he was condemned to push a huge boulder up a hill, only to have it roll all the way back down again, at which point he'd have to run down and push it back up, only to have it roll down again, for eternity.

 

Sillk... god bless .. you have summed to a T ...

MODS... if you are listening.. we REALLY neeed to do some thread cleaning / merging. This will enable for easier searching by folks that are not familiar with the use of search engines.

Also.. I'd rather see someone revive a dead thread, than create a new one.

 

Your complaint is typical of new members. I'd just like to mention that as a new member, you lack the historical perspective on this forum that some of the longer-standing members have, so you don't understand the frustration with seeing the same topics started in NEW threads over and over and over again. I think the happy medium is to run a search, find a thread that's discussing the topic you wish to comment on, and add your input. It'll bounce that thread back to the top of the front page, and people who want to will either read the entire thread, click on the "last post" link to read your input, or they'll ignore it. Members who are subscribed to that thread will get your input automatically via email notification that there is new activity in the thread. Again, with so many members, and so many threads, duplicating information within a thread is fine, making a new thread to do it just complicates locating information for anyone looking for specifics via the search function.

And while I'm at it, this thread will now show up when someone searches the General discussion section for 350Z, S2000, etc, though it has nothing to do with cars. Please post in the appropriate section, which in this case would be the "feedback, suggestions and questions" section. I'm going to go ahead and move it there, where I'm sure you'll continue to get agreement and disagreement with the sentiments you've expressed.

 

i have a point that may be getting ignored/overlooked:

while an original post concerning a certain topic may still be retrievable by searching, it may be old, outdated, or even worse, really long. the reason it might be very long is that when it was originally posted (say in 2002) not many people knew much about the topic. this topic/question may have accumulated responses that are tens of pages in total length. however, two years later, when that topic came up again, it may have been answered within the first page. this "repost" actually proves to be a convenience to all who may later search for that same topic. i tend to find that when i search, i get lots and lots of duplicate threads. HOWEVER, the "reposts" (that don't result in flaming) usually turn out to be far more helpful than the original posts. the "reposts" are usually more to the point and less "explorative" because the topic has been thoroughly discussed/analyzed. think of reposts as bridged or cliffed versions of topics. who didn't get through college with bridged/cliff notes? hope that made sense to someone, anyone.
please don't call me lazy, but i don't think anyone really wants to read all the intricate details that are irrelevant to a topic simply because "at the time, the subject was new and we didn't know much about it." give me a summary, please; a quick way to catch up on the four years i've been absent from the site.
someone suggested "100 most common ?uestions" sticky that must be read/skimmed before membership activation...sounds like a good idea to me...

for the record, i rarely ever start threads...

 

Why do the new people complain the most? It's not going to be like your old forum, there are different people on here.

 

I agree...It's a daunting task though, with almost 172,000 threads and 2.5 million posts. Perhaps if I were on the my350z.com payroll as a full-time employee, but until then, it's not a priority that I have time for.


EDIT: One more thing to add is that merging threads often times makes the resulting thread completely unreadable because the posts are merged in order of date stamp, so where each individual thread might have a "conversational flow" to it, you merge the two, and now it sounds like you're talking to someone with rapidly cycling multiple personalities.

 

i agree with the original poster....

who CARES if someone repeats a thread....damn...why are you oldschool'ing members...so jaded

if you don't like the threads just ignore them...

instead you have to go out of your way to post something pretty much saying, "oh, just use the search button you dumbass.."

 

I'm going to start a new thread asking how to turn my TCS off permanently. Just kidding! I'll do a search. I'm sure it's in there somewhere. ;-)

 

Its because we've been on teh intarwebs for many years... and are used to people that learn how to use tools like forums properly... instead of mis-using them, and getting them into a state of disorder (like it is now)


And Kelly, yes.. you guys would need to get paid to go thru the threads.. and man.. that sucks that the merge will be by TS.. everything would be out of context.. perhaps start deleting some of these obvios dup. threads?