Okay, done reserving my opinion.
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Originally posted by hfm
Let's assume it's a gift to the community. Does a member have a problem with this? I don't see one. Let's assume it's a quick way to make money. Does a member have a problem with this? Not if he's getting a good deal.
Let's assume it's a gift to the community. Does a member have a problem with this? I don't see one. Let's assume it's a quick way to make money. Does a member have a problem with this? Not if he's getting a good deal.
In order for this site to grow. It need to attract Sponsors, and if every Non Sponsor are so priviliged to sell and advertise. Then I'll follow everyone else's foot steps. And make a quick money and at the same time provide good deals. That's is not hard to do. But in order for me to devote my money into a server. I'll need more support.
And if the Ultimate goal here is to provide great prices for the community. You don't need whole bunch Non Sponsors out there selling everything at a whole sale prices.
If the rules and policies of this server are regulated and followed. The number 1 forum for our beloved sports car. Backed up by number one selling sports car in America will only attract more members. And more members will by followed up by more Sponsors. More Sponsors only mean more Friendly competition. Which will bring friendly prices. Which can only benefit everybody here.
More sponsors will give this site more asset and more capital to expand this great forum.
But this will not take away from any non sponsors. If any non sponsors are thinking about a buy/ gb. They can follow some of the rules by pm/e-mail moderators or Tako. And if the buy does not interferre with forum policies or other sponsors. I don't see why a GB will not be allowed. If it's sole purpose is to benefit the community.
I guess the main point is, they do want to protect sponsers who support the forum. The forum is not just a marketplace for purchases. It's a place for 350Z enthusists or owners to find information about their cars. People trade information and communicate like a organization.
If sponsers feels threaten or no point of been sponsers, then why sponser?? It's not like the members are been charged to be members. Then whom may I ask is supporting the website forum? Forum will not go down because of the protection toward the sponsers. Protection will only boot out trolls who don't care about the community to make a quick buck. Forum goes down when rules are no where to be found and there is no longer good information to be gathered and communicated.
If sponsers feels threaten or no point of been sponsers, then why sponser?? It's not like the members are been charged to be members. Then whom may I ask is supporting the website forum? Forum will not go down because of the protection toward the sponsers. Protection will only boot out trolls who don't care about the community to make a quick buck. Forum goes down when rules are no where to be found and there is no longer good information to be gathered and communicated.
"To bring awesome deal to the community" was probably the only statement I read from these two different threads that 350Z members should be concerned about and for the non sponser the leverage to plead for changes.
If anyone is so worried about bring awesome deal to the community and make a profit from it, then, become a sponser!! Only reason I see anyone who want to provide a group buy or " a awesome deal" without being a sponser is either:
1. Cheap skate or simply too poor ( come one $140 a month is not that bad.)
2. Not a well established business with secure, organized way of business practice.
3. Out to do a one time rip deal and deemed never return.
4. Will not take responsbility over product dispute.
5. Believes in there is actually free advertisment in this world.
6. Do not care about the site community.
There is no such thing as free advertisment. Can you go to the mall and sell what ever you are trying to sell?? Can you bring out a cart on side of a street and sell hotdogs without a licience?? Can you sell legally without a business licience period??
I rest my case.
If anyone is so worried about bring awesome deal to the community and make a profit from it, then, become a sponser!! Only reason I see anyone who want to provide a group buy or " a awesome deal" without being a sponser is either:
1. Cheap skate or simply too poor ( come one $140 a month is not that bad.)
2. Not a well established business with secure, organized way of business practice.
3. Out to do a one time rip deal and deemed never return.
4. Will not take responsbility over product dispute.
5. Believes in there is actually free advertisment in this world.
6. Do not care about the site community.
There is no such thing as free advertisment. Can you go to the mall and sell what ever you are trying to sell?? Can you bring out a cart on side of a street and sell hotdogs without a licience?? Can you sell legally without a business licience period??
I rest my case.
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Originally posted by Jeff@Evolution
If you are suggesting this site use a system like Ebay. Pay for Attention. Who's going to be the one collecting money? That's a lot of accounts to keep track of.
Oh not at all. I just see that there is alternative solutions which can be massaged to work for our forum.
I was just making a point that saying that forums X, Y, Z does this and it works doesn't necessarily mean it's the best solution. Since we are in the first stages of make vendors play a bigger role on the forum, it would be good to formalize something which is satisfactory compromise before it becomes policy.
I'm not suggesting that every sale on this forum need to be by a sponsor. But I"m suggesting the open market sale should be done by site supported sponsors and the private classifieds are free lancing. That way, a personal transaction sale are free and the massive sales targeted the whole community are regulate and conducted by the paying site sponsors.
If this was the policy now, then I don't see a problem. But from what I remember HFM's group buy was removed which started this whole thing. Doesn't HFM GP constitute a private classified hence was a legit post? I'm still confused as to the policies for people selling things ( group buy, personal inventions/products, services ) vs. vendors sales.
If you are suggesting this site use a system like Ebay. Pay for Attention. Who's going to be the one collecting money? That's a lot of accounts to keep track of.
Oh not at all. I just see that there is alternative solutions which can be massaged to work for our forum.
I was just making a point that saying that forums X, Y, Z does this and it works doesn't necessarily mean it's the best solution. Since we are in the first stages of make vendors play a bigger role on the forum, it would be good to formalize something which is satisfactory compromise before it becomes policy.
I'm not suggesting that every sale on this forum need to be by a sponsor. But I"m suggesting the open market sale should be done by site supported sponsors and the private classifieds are free lancing. That way, a personal transaction sale are free and the massive sales targeted the whole community are regulate and conducted by the paying site sponsors.
If this was the policy now, then I don't see a problem. But from what I remember HFM's group buy was removed which started this whole thing. Doesn't HFM GP constitute a private classified hence was a legit post? I'm still confused as to the policies for people selling things ( group buy, personal inventions/products, services ) vs. vendors sales.
Okay, let me start off by asking, who are you? You have a total of 4 posts and all of them are on this thread. That smacks of trolling. On the other hand, you have a link to: http://www.evolutionautosports.com in your profile. May I assume that you're associated with this same vendor?
Originally posted by Evo Hybrid
"To bring awesome deal to the community" was probably the only statement I read from these two different threads that 350Z members should be concerned about and for the non sponser the leverage to plead for changes.
If anyone is so worried about bring awesome deal to the community and make a profit from it, then, become a sponser!!
I've already explained above why the non-sponsor is not interested in becoming a sponsor. Please go back and read my post.
[b]Only reason I see anyone who want to provide a group buy or " a awesome deal" without being a sponser is either:
1. Cheap skate or simply too poor ( come one $140 a month is not that bad.)
2. Not a well established business with secure, organized way of business practice.
3. Out to do a one time rip deal and deemed never return.
4. Will not take responsbility over product dispute.
5. Believes in there is actually free advertisment in this world.
6. Do not care about the site community.
I've already explained above why the non-sponsor is not interested in becoming a sponsor. Please go back and read my post if you didn't do it the first time I asked.
And, some of your comments are very inflamatory. If you want me to get a bunch of people to stand up and rave about the last group buy, I can arrange that. But, I don't need to because you can just do a search and read for yourself and you will find that none of the above is the case for this non-sponsor.
There is no such thing as free advertisment. Can you go to the mall and sell what ever you are trying to sell?? Can you bring out a cart on side of a street and sell hotdogs without a licience?? Can you sell legally without a business licience period??
What exactly is your point here? Are you saying everyone who posts any kind of sale must pay for it? You'll find a lot of pissed off members when they find out they can't sell their wheels on this forum because of the policy you're trying to draft. And, you'll find a lot of members pissed off because they've just lost the opportunity to get a great deal because of what you're proposing.
I rest my case.
Works for me.
"To bring awesome deal to the community" was probably the only statement I read from these two different threads that 350Z members should be concerned about and for the non sponser the leverage to plead for changes.
If anyone is so worried about bring awesome deal to the community and make a profit from it, then, become a sponser!!
I've already explained above why the non-sponsor is not interested in becoming a sponsor. Please go back and read my post.
[b]Only reason I see anyone who want to provide a group buy or " a awesome deal" without being a sponser is either:
1. Cheap skate or simply too poor ( come one $140 a month is not that bad.)
2. Not a well established business with secure, organized way of business practice.
3. Out to do a one time rip deal and deemed never return.
4. Will not take responsbility over product dispute.
5. Believes in there is actually free advertisment in this world.
6. Do not care about the site community.
I've already explained above why the non-sponsor is not interested in becoming a sponsor. Please go back and read my post if you didn't do it the first time I asked.
And, some of your comments are very inflamatory. If you want me to get a bunch of people to stand up and rave about the last group buy, I can arrange that. But, I don't need to because you can just do a search and read for yourself and you will find that none of the above is the case for this non-sponsor.
There is no such thing as free advertisment. Can you go to the mall and sell what ever you are trying to sell?? Can you bring out a cart on side of a street and sell hotdogs without a licience?? Can you sell legally without a business licience period??
What exactly is your point here? Are you saying everyone who posts any kind of sale must pay for it? You'll find a lot of pissed off members when they find out they can't sell their wheels on this forum because of the policy you're trying to draft. And, you'll find a lot of members pissed off because they've just lost the opportunity to get a great deal because of what you're proposing.
I rest my case.
Works for me.
Last edited by hfm; Jul 9, 2003 at 09:40 PM.
Originally posted by Jeff@Evolution
In order for this site to grow. It need to attract Sponsors, and if every Non Sponsor are so priviliged to sell and advertise. Then I'll follow everyone else's foot steps. And make a quick money and at the same time provide good deals. That's is not hard to do. But in order for me to devote my money into a server. I'll need more support.
This site expanded just fine with no sponsors other than Crystal Guard. I think the site doesn't really need sponsors as badly as you may think. Takao is quite weathy as it is and I think his motivations were to benefit the Z community and to promote Crystal Guard. I may be mistaken but Sponsors are just icing.
And if the Ultimate goal here is to provide great prices for the community. You don't need whole bunch Non Sponsors out there selling everything at a whole sale prices.
Huh? If the ultimate goal is to provide great prices for the community, how is it that we don't need non-sponsors selling things at wholesale? That's exactly how great prices are obtained and competition created for our members.
But this will not take away from any non sponsors. If any non sponsors are thinking about a buy/ gb. They can follow some of the rules by pm/e-mail moderators or Tako. And if the buy does not interferre with forum policies or other sponsors. I don't see why a GB will not be allowed. If it's sole purpose is to benefit the community.
Well, I don't think that a member like myself that brings to the attention of the forum members a group buy that will give them a great deal needs to obtain permission from a moderator or the owner to do the deal. But, I appreciate that you don't have a problem with a group buy for the benefit of the community.
In order for this site to grow. It need to attract Sponsors, and if every Non Sponsor are so priviliged to sell and advertise. Then I'll follow everyone else's foot steps. And make a quick money and at the same time provide good deals. That's is not hard to do. But in order for me to devote my money into a server. I'll need more support.
This site expanded just fine with no sponsors other than Crystal Guard. I think the site doesn't really need sponsors as badly as you may think. Takao is quite weathy as it is and I think his motivations were to benefit the Z community and to promote Crystal Guard. I may be mistaken but Sponsors are just icing.
And if the Ultimate goal here is to provide great prices for the community. You don't need whole bunch Non Sponsors out there selling everything at a whole sale prices.
Huh? If the ultimate goal is to provide great prices for the community, how is it that we don't need non-sponsors selling things at wholesale? That's exactly how great prices are obtained and competition created for our members.
But this will not take away from any non sponsors. If any non sponsors are thinking about a buy/ gb. They can follow some of the rules by pm/e-mail moderators or Tako. And if the buy does not interferre with forum policies or other sponsors. I don't see why a GB will not be allowed. If it's sole purpose is to benefit the community.
Well, I don't think that a member like myself that brings to the attention of the forum members a group buy that will give them a great deal needs to obtain permission from a moderator or the owner to do the deal. But, I appreciate that you don't have a problem with a group buy for the benefit of the community.
Originally posted by Evo Hybrid
I am a paid sponser on this site which should enlist me as the third person representing Evolution Autosports, I just registered today.
I am a paid sponser on this site which should enlist me as the third person representing Evolution Autosports, I just registered today.
There is a difference between selling your used wheel or your personal items and starting a market for profit. What I have wrote is strictly talking about any business trying to sell their product to the public of my350Z.com.
What I wrote is also not solely aimed at you. You started the thread and that is all. I am expressing what I feel about the rules and regulations. The site owner been rich or not has nothing to do with how the site should be run. And I don't see why the site owner would not try to collect the fees he deserve creating the site. You don't see Bill Gate stop selling his softwares.
What I wrote is also not solely aimed at you. You started the thread and that is all. I am expressing what I feel about the rules and regulations. The site owner been rich or not has nothing to do with how the site should be run. And I don't see why the site owner would not try to collect the fees he deserve creating the site. You don't see Bill Gate stop selling his softwares.
I will stop posting on this thread now as really I just became a member and I don't know who is who. I know there is two stories behind all scenrios. I will search for the past thread that created this one. Maybe I will understand your point more.
Originally posted by hfm
Okay, let me start off by asking, who are you? You have a total of 4 posts and all of them are on this thread. That smacks of trolling.
Okay, let me start off by asking, who are you? You have a total of 4 posts and all of them are on this thread. That smacks of trolling.
- Mike
Originally posted by Evo Hybrid
There is a difference between selling your used wheel or your personal items and starting a market for profit. What I have wrote is strictly talking about any business trying to sell their product to the public of my350Z.com.
You are correct. But, remember, this isn't just an issue of whether a business is trying to sell their product. It's an issue of what benefits forum members. I think my first couple of posts discusses this is detail.
What I wrote is also not solely aimed at you. You started the thread and that is all. I am expressing what I feel about the rules and regulations. The site owner been rich or not has nothing to do with how the site should be run. And I don't see why the site owner would not try to collect the fees he deserve creating the site. You don't see Bill Gate stop selling his softwares.
You're correct here. But, recognize I was responding to the following from your partner: "In order for this site to grow. It need to attract Sponsors, and if every Non Sponsor are so priviliged to sell and advertise."
My comment about the owner's wealth was merely to emphasize that he doesn't really need sponsors and that it wasn't sponsors that caused this site to grow. JmanZ, Victor, the moderators and of course, the members were key in making the site what it is today. And, of course, without Takao, this site wouldn't exist at all.
I will stop posting on this thread now as really I just became a member and I don't know who is who. I know there is two stories behind all scenrios. I will search for the past thread that created this one. Maybe I will understand your point more.
Your opinions, your sponsorship, and your presence here are all very welcome here. Thank you for sponsoring the site and feel free to comment at anytime.
There is a difference between selling your used wheel or your personal items and starting a market for profit. What I have wrote is strictly talking about any business trying to sell their product to the public of my350Z.com.
You are correct. But, remember, this isn't just an issue of whether a business is trying to sell their product. It's an issue of what benefits forum members. I think my first couple of posts discusses this is detail.
What I wrote is also not solely aimed at you. You started the thread and that is all. I am expressing what I feel about the rules and regulations. The site owner been rich or not has nothing to do with how the site should be run. And I don't see why the site owner would not try to collect the fees he deserve creating the site. You don't see Bill Gate stop selling his softwares.
You're correct here. But, recognize I was responding to the following from your partner: "In order for this site to grow. It need to attract Sponsors, and if every Non Sponsor are so priviliged to sell and advertise."
My comment about the owner's wealth was merely to emphasize that he doesn't really need sponsors and that it wasn't sponsors that caused this site to grow. JmanZ, Victor, the moderators and of course, the members were key in making the site what it is today. And, of course, without Takao, this site wouldn't exist at all.
I will stop posting on this thread now as really I just became a member and I don't know who is who. I know there is two stories behind all scenrios. I will search for the past thread that created this one. Maybe I will understand your point more.
Your opinions, your sponsorship, and your presence here are all very welcome here. Thank you for sponsoring the site and feel free to comment at anytime.
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Like the commercial says....
"I am just gonna do it eBay!"
Proven seller rating system, proven transactions, proven payment system, and money back guarantee option.
That's why i wont pay for a sponsor fee! not cuz i am cheap, but because there are about 12 posts on this board by members who dont have sponsor status Right NOW, who are selling products.
And i also wont pay because things are always changing...i gave a donation when this site was struggling only to find out next week the site was sold to Tako and my donation did nothing but benefit the previous owner. Last thing i want is after paying 6 months of $150/month, the site becomes free for vendors.
So why pay? these moderators cant police everyone 24/7. If somoene develops a custom turbo kit for the z, or custom wheels, or custom whatever, and decides to post photos....
guess what? everyone will pm him/her "where did you get it, how much?" and bam! an innocent photo thread has become a indirect ad.
You cannot stop it from happening. A guy can post, "Ohhh loook, i installed the fire launching exhaust kit." and post a mpg. even without typing the words discount, sale, purchase, cost or $, that post is an advertisement for a product.
If I run an 11 second all motor 1/4 mile, and post time slips. that is an ad, because people will email me asking what i have and where can they buy.
Ok now i am ranting. sorry.
LETS JUST OPEN THE DAMN THING UP! Every seller must have an ebay store, paying or not. if you pay to be a sponsor, you can sticky 2 group buys and single item sales on the top.
Each paying or non paying sponsor will list the eBay seller id under their user name. no more "badge" that means NOTHING to me as a buyer. so what. they paid $150. that doesnt mean you are not gonna scam me. u can easily scam me on a sale 1 time and vanish.
Done, nuff said. then each member can look at the sellers rating on eBay, which costs Tako and my350z.com NOTHING.
"I am just gonna do it eBay!"
Proven seller rating system, proven transactions, proven payment system, and money back guarantee option.
That's why i wont pay for a sponsor fee! not cuz i am cheap, but because there are about 12 posts on this board by members who dont have sponsor status Right NOW, who are selling products.
And i also wont pay because things are always changing...i gave a donation when this site was struggling only to find out next week the site was sold to Tako and my donation did nothing but benefit the previous owner. Last thing i want is after paying 6 months of $150/month, the site becomes free for vendors.
So why pay? these moderators cant police everyone 24/7. If somoene develops a custom turbo kit for the z, or custom wheels, or custom whatever, and decides to post photos....
guess what? everyone will pm him/her "where did you get it, how much?" and bam! an innocent photo thread has become a indirect ad.
You cannot stop it from happening. A guy can post, "Ohhh loook, i installed the fire launching exhaust kit." and post a mpg. even without typing the words discount, sale, purchase, cost or $, that post is an advertisement for a product.
If I run an 11 second all motor 1/4 mile, and post time slips. that is an ad, because people will email me asking what i have and where can they buy.
Ok now i am ranting. sorry.
LETS JUST OPEN THE DAMN THING UP! Every seller must have an ebay store, paying or not. if you pay to be a sponsor, you can sticky 2 group buys and single item sales on the top.
Each paying or non paying sponsor will list the eBay seller id under their user name. no more "badge" that means NOTHING to me as a buyer. so what. they paid $150. that doesnt mean you are not gonna scam me. u can easily scam me on a sale 1 time and vanish.
Done, nuff said. then each member can look at the sellers rating on eBay, which costs Tako and my350z.com NOTHING.
Originally posted by Mike Wazowski
I don't see how you can associate friendly informative posts with trolling. Trolling is when someone comes with the intention of starting crap with others.
- Mike
I don't see how you can associate friendly informative posts with trolling. Trolling is when someone comes with the intention of starting crap with others.
- Mike
His posts at first blush weren't all that friendly. They were pressing to advocate the needs of a sponsor and his comments about non-sponsors were in my read, not very nice.
You're absolutely right about what trolling is. But, recognize, many trolls start off by recently creating an account, and most trolls have no post count other to attack you on a particular thread. Except for his web link, he looked exactly like a troll.
I recognize Evo Hybrid is not a troll and of course his opinions are appreciated.
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and as for making money for this site?!?!?!?
If the staff here thinks they are making money by charging vendors, you have to be out of your fu@king mind!
Hire some markeitng people from a real company with real degrees and sales experience! sell to Marketing Directors at companies like Holley, Toyo, Greddy, HKS, Bridgestone, etc. I can go on for 50 pages! Do you know what toyo pays to sponsor Hot import nights? I'll give you a hint, its an exclusive contract!
You guys are sitting on a f'ing gold mine. you have over 15,000 members who are all passionate about the 350Z. That type of community is very very very very valuable to companies!
Do you have any idea how much it would cost for Nissan to take a marketing survey through their BIG cheesy full service advertising agency? MILLIONS! Or what about Toyota? Even more valuable. They would LOVE to know what current 350Z owners like and dont like with our cars!
They can give away the next skyline or supra for free to 1 lucky member, randomly selected, who participate in a marketing survey. that costs them nothing!
Do you know what their ad agencies do? They go out an sample thousands of people, hit or miss demogrpahics. then hire data crunchers and run algorithms. then they have to look like they are working earning that $30 Million dollar advertising account so they stall for weeks. then present a overview of the results.
and that is just 1 sales idea for this site. if the owners of this site is going to concentrate the efforts of moderators policing non sponsors and vendors paying $150/month, thats a shame.
I just thought of another one! Do you know how much ford pays to put the ford explorer banners at targetied competitor car reviews. An ad campaign on MSN Carpoint for Ford, targeting only comeptitor car reviews can sum up to $450,000 per year. Um, I wouldnt mind seeing banner ads of upcoming cool cars. why not sell that. I am not giving any more until Tako pays me a salary and commission to sell this stuff.
watch me get banned.
If the staff here thinks they are making money by charging vendors, you have to be out of your fu@king mind!
Hire some markeitng people from a real company with real degrees and sales experience! sell to Marketing Directors at companies like Holley, Toyo, Greddy, HKS, Bridgestone, etc. I can go on for 50 pages! Do you know what toyo pays to sponsor Hot import nights? I'll give you a hint, its an exclusive contract!
You guys are sitting on a f'ing gold mine. you have over 15,000 members who are all passionate about the 350Z. That type of community is very very very very valuable to companies!
Do you have any idea how much it would cost for Nissan to take a marketing survey through their BIG cheesy full service advertising agency? MILLIONS! Or what about Toyota? Even more valuable. They would LOVE to know what current 350Z owners like and dont like with our cars!
They can give away the next skyline or supra for free to 1 lucky member, randomly selected, who participate in a marketing survey. that costs them nothing!
Do you know what their ad agencies do? They go out an sample thousands of people, hit or miss demogrpahics. then hire data crunchers and run algorithms. then they have to look like they are working earning that $30 Million dollar advertising account so they stall for weeks. then present a overview of the results.
and that is just 1 sales idea for this site. if the owners of this site is going to concentrate the efforts of moderators policing non sponsors and vendors paying $150/month, thats a shame.
I just thought of another one! Do you know how much ford pays to put the ford explorer banners at targetied competitor car reviews. An ad campaign on MSN Carpoint for Ford, targeting only comeptitor car reviews can sum up to $450,000 per year. Um, I wouldnt mind seeing banner ads of upcoming cool cars. why not sell that. I am not giving any more until Tako pays me a salary and commission to sell this stuff.
watch me get banned.
Last edited by 350ZMatt; Jul 9, 2003 at 10:28 PM.
Originally posted by 350ZMatt
watch me get banned.
watch me get banned.
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cuz lately, i feel like i have to walk on eggshells here. my avatar can be considered an ad. the kit i have is only sold through two vendors and i am one of them. so should i not post photos anymore?
thats just how i have felt ever since these policies took place.
thats just how i have felt ever since these policies took place.
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A lot of opinions expressed. Still the Sponsors haven't seen a solution and neither did Mr. hfm. Any more ideas that will lead to solutions? That would make both party happy? I mean, we do seem like we got some smart people here. Some smart arguments. But I don't see anything aiming toward a solution.
Originally posted by 350ZMatt
cuz lately, i feel like i have to walk on eggshells here. my avatar can be considered an ad. the kit i have is only sold through two vendors and i am one of them. so should i not post photos anymore?
thats just how i have felt ever since these policies took place.
cuz lately, i feel like i have to walk on eggshells here. my avatar can be considered an ad. the kit i have is only sold through two vendors and i am one of them. so should i not post photos anymore?
thats just how i have felt ever since these policies took place.
Will Insaneamine be forced to become a sponsor because a sponser sells the Hypermax grounding kit and objects to Insaneamine's kit? Insaneamine has done a tremendous service for forum members. So, should he be black balled by a sponsor? I say hell no!
Insaneamine will simply compete with the next guy out there who is selling his new grounding kit for half the price.
A lot of what Matt said above is correct. If you mods plan on catching every post from every non paying vendor, you will have a 24/7 job on your hand. Are you getting paid?
Look, I hope everyone is on the same page here. Non-sponsors deals should be allowed. Sponsors should have better exposure and should be given value for their sponsorship.
