New possible F/I product
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
From: CA
New possible F/I product
Hi everyone,
Possibily a new turbo solution for 350Z owners!! Please take a look at this thread, click here, and let us know if you might be interested.
I represent V6Performance.net, and we're eagerly looking for members that have interests in helping us and STS to R&D this new product; as well as purchasing one when R&D came through with good gain, and good price. Please review the information we presented at that thread, and ask any questions here or at V6P. I will try to answer them as best as I can.
To owners and moderators of my350z.com, please allow us to post this thread to present this possible solution and gauge interests. If this post is deemed in violation of forum rule, please delete it and kindly notify me. V6P respects other forum owners and moderators, and is not here to cause problems.
Thank you.
Aziz (aka Spektor)
V6Performance.net Inc.
Possibily a new turbo solution for 350Z owners!! Please take a look at this thread, click here, and let us know if you might be interested.
I represent V6Performance.net, and we're eagerly looking for members that have interests in helping us and STS to R&D this new product; as well as purchasing one when R&D came through with good gain, and good price. Please review the information we presented at that thread, and ask any questions here or at V6P. I will try to answer them as best as I can.
To owners and moderators of my350z.com, please allow us to post this thread to present this possible solution and gauge interests. If this post is deemed in violation of forum rule, please delete it and kindly notify me. V6P respects other forum owners and moderators, and is not here to cause problems.
Thank you.
Aziz (aka Spektor)
V6Performance.net Inc.
I have seen these types of systems before on other vehicles. The turbo is mounted near the rear of the car...right?
Theoritically, these cannot possibly be more efficeint than the existing options out there. I guess it would be of benifit for someone that wanted a quick turbo install, and the ability to turn back to stock with minimal hassle.
What is the proposed price point? Given the other F/I options availible to the 350Z/g35 comminity, the price would have to be "Aggresive"
Theoritically, these cannot possibly be more efficeint than the existing options out there. I guess it would be of benifit for someone that wanted a quick turbo install, and the ability to turn back to stock with minimal hassle.
What is the proposed price point? Given the other F/I options availible to the 350Z/g35 comminity, the price would have to be "Aggresive"
If the system is priced like the Camaro and others . It would be another great option for guys not needing full out power . What happens if it rains or you happen to drive through mud ? How is this turbo protected from eliments ?
i agree with booger, wouldn't it be problematic if road debris would kick up from the front tires and damage the turbos and filters in the back, or even roadkill??
___________
AutoX, where skill is 90% driver and 10% car
___________
AutoX, where skill is 90% driver and 10% car
Last edited by sillyhenwee; Dec 5, 2004 at 03:41 PM.
Trending Topics
Thread Starter
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
From: CA
Originally Posted by gq_626
I have seen these types of systems before on other vehicles. The turbo is mounted near the rear of the car...right?
To everyone's concerns regarding water, debris, having a lowered car, and anything else with having a turbo under the car will be issues that will have to be faced once STS has started the R&D process.
At this time STS and V6performance.net are asking V6 enthusiasts to take part in and spread the word of the poll we have created to see which car(s) to move ahead in with R&D.
Thank you,
Aziz (Spektor)
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: LA, CA
Hi everyone,
Thanks to everone that taken a look at this thread and check out the information presented on V6P.
To help answer some questions,
1. The pricing proposal is roughly a little bit junder $4k right now. Of course, this all depends on the final R&D result. Given the competitive FI market of 350Z/G35, STS would need to make make a very good yet affordable system. This is a fact that both STS and V6P reconized and will work toward with.
2. Turbo lag - probably best answered by this FAQ item..
3. Water
4. Lowering and possible other related road debries - as Aziz put it, it is something only R&D can really tell us. They had done successful installation on lowered Camero, and tentatively don't believe there is any problem with 350Z/G35s.
5. Dyno - here is one from Z71 5.3L GMC Truck, with following mods, running 13psi of boost. more information can be found on their testimonial page, click here .
All in all, if you're interested, please vote in this - http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...d.php?t=44786. We want to gather interests, at the same time, to try to negotiate the best price for everyone.
Thanks.
Andy (aka Brex)
V6Performance.net Inc.
Thanks to everone that taken a look at this thread and check out the information presented on V6P.
To help answer some questions,
1. The pricing proposal is roughly a little bit junder $4k right now. Of course, this all depends on the final R&D result. Given the competitive FI market of 350Z/G35, STS would need to make make a very good yet affordable system. This is a fact that both STS and V6P reconized and will work toward with.
2. Turbo lag - probably best answered by this FAQ item..
With the turbo so far back, don't you get a lot of turbo lag?
No, our turbochargers are sized to operate at this remote location. Just like any turbocharger, once the turbo is up to temperature and in the rpm range for which it was designed to operate. The boost comes on hard and fast. All of our systems will produce full boost below 3000 rpm.
If you were to take a conventional turbo and place it at the rear, you would have lots of lag and consequently, our turbo wouldn't work properly if mounted up front.
With so long of intake and exhaust tubes, doesn't it take a while for the boost to build up?
No, our intake tubing volume is about the same as most conventional turbo setups that are running a front mounted intercooler, and less than many of them that run large intercoolers. We aren't talking about a small compressor filling up a large air tank, we are talking about a huge compressor filling up a very small volume which only takes a fraction of a second. Our systems compress the intake tubing in about .05 seconds. So much for turbo lag...
No, our turbochargers are sized to operate at this remote location. Just like any turbocharger, once the turbo is up to temperature and in the rpm range for which it was designed to operate. The boost comes on hard and fast. All of our systems will produce full boost below 3000 rpm.
If you were to take a conventional turbo and place it at the rear, you would have lots of lag and consequently, our turbo wouldn't work properly if mounted up front.
With so long of intake and exhaust tubes, doesn't it take a while for the boost to build up?
No, our intake tubing volume is about the same as most conventional turbo setups that are running a front mounted intercooler, and less than many of them that run large intercoolers. We aren't talking about a small compressor filling up a large air tank, we are talking about a huge compressor filling up a very small volume which only takes a fraction of a second. Our systems compress the intake tubing in about .05 seconds. So much for turbo lag...
Doesn't water get into your engine with the filter mounted down low?
No, even under very wet conditions the filter sheds most all water. Every kit includes a K&N PreCharger which is a "sock" that protects the filter under very dusty or wet conditions. The only thing you don't want to do is completely submerge the filter. This would draw water through the filter and into the intake tubing. For most vehicles that would mean you would have water coming in your doors before you'd have a problem with the turbo's air filter.
No, even under very wet conditions the filter sheds most all water. Every kit includes a K&N PreCharger which is a "sock" that protects the filter under very dusty or wet conditions. The only thing you don't want to do is completely submerge the filter. This would draw water through the filter and into the intake tubing. For most vehicles that would mean you would have water coming in your doors before you'd have a problem with the turbo's air filter.
5. Dyno - here is one from Z71 5.3L GMC Truck, with following mods, running 13psi of boost. more information can be found on their testimonial page, click here .
STS Turbo Kit, 226/220 dur .591/.554 lift 116 lsa cam, long tube headers, Yank 3000 torque converter, AlkyControl Methanol Kit.
All in all, if you're interested, please vote in this - http://www.v6performance.net/forums/...d.php?t=44786. We want to gather interests, at the same time, to try to negotiate the best price for everyone.
Thanks.
Andy (aka Brex)
V6Performance.net Inc.
Last edited by brex; Dec 5, 2004 at 11:55 PM.
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 694
Likes: 0
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: LA, CA
Originally posted by ether
a review of a rear turbo system
http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0411phr_sts/
a review of a rear turbo system
http://popularhotrodding.com/tech/0411phr_sts/
Don't forget, this isn't some fly-by company and don't know what they're talkingabout. They were awarded GM Best Performance Product at SEMA just last month!! The judging was done by 3 of GM's best powertrain engineers!!
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 498
Likes: 0
From: USA
People are saying the conventional single turbo like Turbonetics will lag, I don't see how this will have less lag than that. With the VQ35's high compression engine needs an intercooler, without an IC the engine will knock. You will at least need a very small under car IC for the 350Z system. I think it might work for the Z, but not very efficiently.
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: LA, CA
Originally posted by S12 driver
People are saying the conventional single turbo like Turbonetics will lag, I don't see how this will have less lag than that. With the VQ35's high compression engine needs an intercooler, without an IC the engine will knock. You will at least need a very small under car IC for the 350Z system. I think it might work for the Z, but not very efficiently.
People are saying the conventional single turbo like Turbonetics will lag, I don't see how this will have less lag than that. With the VQ35's high compression engine needs an intercooler, without an IC the engine will knock. You will at least need a very small under car IC for the 350Z system. I think it might work for the Z, but not very efficiently.
Also, since no intercooler is required, the actual piping from the turbo to the engine is in fact the same if not less than car with front mount intercooler, hence greatly reducing the time needed to fill the piping..
V6P is also now working with another company out of NJ to R&D a small intercooler for either front or under car mounting. This small intercooler would compliment STS system very well, by further achieving 100% intercooler effiency while keeping the entire tubing short to reduce turbo lag.
Of course, all these talk are mainly based on their existing work done on domestics; how will imports work? No one knows until R&D is done. Which is why V6P and STS need your vote and showing interests so we may go forward with the R&D, and picking the car group that had shown most interests to go forward with first.
Thanks for your time.
Andy (aka Brex)
V6Performance.net Inc.
Registered User
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 949
Likes: 0
From: Detroit, The Motor City
Originally posted by brex
Of course, all these talk are mainly based on their existing work done on domestics; how will imports work? No one knows until R&D is done.
Of course, all these talk are mainly based on their existing work done on domestics; how will imports work? No one knows until R&D is done.
Registered User
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 9
Likes: 0
From: LA, CA
Originally posted by etx
You act like they are so different. They both have internal combustion engines, Right? It's a equally bad setup on an Import or a Domestic car.
You act like they are so different. They both have internal combustion engines, Right? It's a equally bad setup on an Import or a Domestic car.
Thanks.
