Kinetix SSV, pretty much a show piece.
Originally Posted by booger
This does not however explain the other recent dyno from lemans350z which has the A/F going off the chart rich, and then even when R4 adjustments were maxed out, they couldnt get it back into the previous A/F range
After a PM with Lemans350Z . He told me [ I believe ] his numbers in the R4 fuel map , were 9's . This is far from maxing out what you can pull fuel out . Mine are in the 7's after 6000rpm . I dont know if his tuner didnt feel comfortable with the R4 program or what . But he for sure can lean it out enough to get it back to where it was.
After a PM with Lemans350Z . He told me [ I believe ] his numbers in the R4 fuel map , were 9's . This is far from maxing out what you can pull fuel out . Mine are in the 7's after 6000rpm . I dont know if his tuner didnt feel comfortable with the R4 program or what . But he for sure can lean it out enough to get it back to where it was.
I wish that someone would have told me that my 9s are OK and that he can take it even lower. Ed told me has never had to go into the 9s before much less the 7s with the R4. Maybe their are still gains to be made. It does sound like several hours on the dyno. The car goes back on Wednesday while I work.
AlanL do you have time to baby sit the car at the shop? I know you have an interest in the new intake.
Jeremy
Originally Posted by acg
That is wierd compared to what I have been reading on the system, Booger, Randy and dfwg35 all got more power than 330whp before they went to the next level.
Looks like I may have to add a few other items to my list before dynoing
Looks like I may have to add a few other items to my list before dynoing
You need to puill extra timing to make it safe for crappy Cali 91.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
There was roughly 3 degrees of additional timing that could be added which would take you to the danger threshold for your setup on 93 octane fuel. Personally, I think we all agreed its a safer tune at 421whp and 15 degrees of total advance. With the extra 3 degrees of timing advance, you would easily be in the 435-445whp range. Timing makes an enormous difference in power output.
Thought that extra knowledge may help illustrate the difference between someone with only the 3.12" pulley upgrade vs the 3.12" pulley upgrade AND the SSV.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
There was roughly 3 degrees of additional timing that could be added which would take you to the danger threshold for your setup on 93 octane fuel. Personally, I think we all agreed its a safer tune at 421whp and 15 degrees of total advance. With the extra 3 degrees of timing advance, you would easily be in the 435-445whp range. Timing makes an enormous difference in power output.
Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
I agree 100% with this. The vast majority of the Vortech kits we sell are the "tuner kits", and then we add the return fuel system, larger injectors, and an emanage setup for the ultimate Vortech setup. 
Do you think added just the Emanage would make tuning the car easier? Seems like tuners seem to know it alot better the the R4 I am using now. Can I use this setup without upgrading the to the return fuel system and injectors? I am thinking I could add the return fuel system and injectors later this year.
Thanks!
Jeremy
LeMans350
PM me your email, I'll send you a copy of my fuel map and you can show it to your tuner . So then he will be OK with bringing the numbers down and getting that A/F right . You wouldnt be able to use my exact map , but you can get an idea
PM me your email, I'll send you a copy of my fuel map and you can show it to your tuner . So then he will be OK with bringing the numbers down and getting that A/F right . You wouldnt be able to use my exact map , but you can get an idea
Originally Posted by SungNamZ
Some others might want to jump in, but from you graph it looks like your A/F could be improved. It appears that it is in the 12's.
Would G352NV see and increase in numbers if the same A/F curve was moved into the mid 11's starting at about 3500 rpms and continuing to 6500 rpms?
Would G352NV see and increase in numbers if the same A/F curve was moved into the mid 11's starting at about 3500 rpms and continuing to 6500 rpms?
If I may respectfully add a comment Ron:
If I am understanding what you are saying correctly...if his A/F is at 12:1...by richening it to 11:1 or below will indeed increase the safety blanket of the tune but will decrease the power gain, not increase
TODD
I agree (though I was thinking more like 450-455 range)...
Sharif,
Do you think added just the Emanage would make tuning the car easier? Seems like tuners seem to know it alot better the the R4 I am using now. Can I use this setup without upgrading the to the return fuel system and injectors? I am thinking I could add the return fuel system and injectors later this year.
Thanks!
Jeremy
Do you think added just the Emanage would make tuning the car easier? Seems like tuners seem to know it alot better the the R4 I am using now. Can I use this setup without upgrading the to the return fuel system and injectors? I am thinking I could add the return fuel system and injectors later this year.
Thanks!
Jeremy
Ok I talked with Rob at Z car. Seems I, we, were looking at the wrong #'s. The blue is the before and red is after. He said that the reason why my #'s are low is because these are real world #'s. He did 9 pulls within a hour so the motor was good and heat soaked and thats one of the reason why my 3's are low. The timing is set for 91 oct. Cali chit gas! He said if I ran a higher octane he could adjust the timing to make more power. He also said if I wanted just a higher dyno reading he could also help with that,lol. All in all I found out the car is very safe. He said if I wasnt worried about my motor he could make much higher #'s
As for the Kinetix IM he said he dyno'ed a car right before mine with and without it. The car was turbo'ed and made 10hp more with it.
As for the Kinetix IM he said he dyno'ed a car right before mine with and without it. The car was turbo'ed and made 10hp more with it.
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