LOL at the "custom made" 60-1 on the Turbonetics kit. That's the most retarded thing I've heard this week I think. Do you realize why it's called a 60-1? Because the compressor wheel is a 60-1 compressor. If it's a new wheel it's not a 60-1 anymore... so which is it? A 60-1 or some brand new magical custom wheel made by turbonetics with lucky charms and rainbow kisses that is somehow "newer" than the newest Garrett turbos? GT series turbos are at least 10 years newer than the ol' 60-1, thanks for playing though.

As for the rest of this comparison... I don't even know what to say. Flywheel and pulley - WTF? Why are you even mentioning them.

Test pipes. Turbonetics has removed cats and replaced them with pipes, called "test pipes" thus the Turbonetics kit has testpipes included in the kit. There goes that argument that the Turbonetics car is without testpipes. The testpipes were included in the kit and there was no extra charge for them, but it's still got them. So you can drop that argument.

Tuned vs. Untuned... marvelous idea for a comparison. Here I have an idea. Lets unplug 2 coilpacks on the APS car. Maybe we could skew the results even more.

So lets recap. The APS car has superior power even without having anything close to a proper tune, superior turbos, more potential, and doesn't use lag inducing super long feed pipes or stock manifolds. The Turbonetics car has an old 60-1 (not a bad turbo, but not in the same league as a new GT series turbo, sorry, just fact) and a perfect tune, and STILL comes up short? Only thing better about the Turbonetics is the price and that it comes with some testpipes included.

Are you sure you wanted to post this thread? Because it doesn't make a very good advertisement for the Turbonetics kit...

 

MIA you cannot honestly say there was a point to this post other than to stir up this forum, imo this post is worthless and is very childish. Now let me say something regarding this dyno-it is def unfair like Brian said, and coming from a now Turbonetics owner(although not installed) Id would tell anybody anyday APS > Turbonetics.

The T-netics kit is arguably the best performing out of the box Turbo kit, requiring no tuning it seems from people on this forum in 90% of the cases. That APS car semi-tuned would OWN the T-netics in down low TQ, and probobly top-end pull as well. This APS kit is runing extremely rich even with test-pipes and an exhaust, its just silly to compare these two. Want to compare? Give them both the same amount of boost, tune them both well regarding A/F and timing and NOBODY can argue the APS kit would completely ***** the T-netics kit, after all-you get what you pay for....

BTW Brian once I get my kit on, and tuned possibly with EU, Im throwing the slicks on and shooting for mid 11's

Now let me end by saying....

 

Well lets see...first the 60-1 compressor designation indicates its a 60-1 compressor housing with a variant of the 60-1 wheel. Do you honestly believe that Turbonetics has not changed the compressor wheel since its original design? Honestly Turbonetics MAKES these turbos. Are you really going to tell me that they cannot tweak a compressor wheels design to do what they want it to do? I posted the standard 60-1 map a while back and even Turbonetics came on here and said that the map was not correct as the wheel designed was changed based on what they needed for this kit. Why exactly do I need to believe they are not telling the truth. Considering they have been designing and building turbos for years I tend to believe them more then you....As for air flow. Well since the APS kit uses MUCH smaller turbos and the exhaust system has no restrictions it should spool faster and make more HP and TQ then the Turbonetics kit according to the claims. The reason I put ALL of the mods in there was to elaborate on what was done to each car. Since twin turbo owners have claimed gains of up to 20 HP with JUST an exhaust and another 10-15 with JUST test pipes, and another 10-15 by adding a plenum I think there is more then sufficient reason to post those mods. Furthermore the flywheel plays a HUGE part here as it allows the motor to spin up MUCH faster achieving better off boost power due to loss of weight in the rotating mass and hit full boost sooner as the motor gets to the target engine speed MUCH faster. As for the numbers of course the APS car is going to make more hp with all those extra mods...the Turbonetics kit is on a stock exhaust and is running out of breathing room as a result of backpressure building. As for the tune the Turbonetics car isn't "tuned" as you say. Its a standard flash applied to the car same as the APS flash...

 

I made this post to show the difference in out of box tune with the two kits even given that the APS car has more mods...if thats what you call stirring the pot then I guess I did. My point is that you shouldn't have to spend another $1000 after you spent $10k in mods to get decent power when you can have that out of box...Everyone is so ready to bag Turbonetics kits design and turbo placement etc and its nice to see that out of box with less mods the kit still competes with TT kits. That was the point.

 

I don't understand why owners of both kits feel the need to defend their turbo kits to the death. I mean come on, they are just OVERPRICED CAR PARTS!! In the end they both do the same thing, just get to that end in different ways with slightly different results. There is no need for personal attacks. This isn't life or death here, it's a CAR FORUM for Christ's sake! I have an APS TT, and I don't think I've EVER attacked someone just because they bought a diff kit than I did.

Don't let this FI forum become a soap opera like the other one!

"My turbo kit is better than yours!"
"No it's not!"
"Yes it is!"
"You're an *******!"
"No YOU are!"
"My dicks bigger than yours!"
"Whatever, is not!"
"Is too!"

 

Hmmm time to break out rulers....everyone post results....

 

Seriously though, come on guys. This APS vs TN thing is turning into the new Eastcoast vs Westcoast rap war lol!

 

I guess we should all start wearing bullet proof vests at SEMA...after all thats where 2Pac got shot....

 

Nah, just you and Peter

 

Wow! What a truely ignorant post.

The dyno shows what the two kits might look like with an out-of-the-box tune. Take it for what its worth. Of course the APS TT and the TNetics ST are entirely different beasts but the dyno shows that the TNetics out-of-the-box is doing pretty darn well. Your post was freakin sad. Don't bash the kit just because your tired of Mia supporting it. The rest of us are interested in the results and can filter the information enough to know what it says and what its worth.

 

 

Mia, someone asked, I don't remember where, if TN was going to come out with a twin turbo kit. Do you have any info on that? Just curious.

Sorry for going ot.

 

Nope no plans that I am aware of...I will ask Brad to be sure on Monday but as far as I know there is nothing planned like that..

 

Honestly MIA your no different than Peter (who got banned) by continuously throwing out the Turbonetics Propaganda. Other than being a little less pompous about the products you support what makes you that much different?

Your like the APS Anti-Christ, perhaps My350 would be better without you and Peter both...

 

I just farted.

 

The Turbonetics ST and APS TT are both great kits. It all really depends on how much money you plan on spending, and what your long term goals in power are.

Personally, with a ST I would go with the Turbonetics kit; and going TT, I would go with APS TT. But above all, I would have to agree with the above poster that all of the available turbo kits for the 350z are fantastic. It's just a matter of personal taste and your own goals that set them apart.

Sorry, mia, but I'd also have to agree that it isn't a very good comparison. The owner of that APS kit should have based their decision when buying upon the availability of a tuner and their willingness to travel to get it tuned properly. That's the biggest downside of the TT kit, in particular (finding an authorized tuner). The owner should only be blaming himself for not getting satisfactory power out of the TT.

 

Not really... the only difference is that Turbonetics isn't too cheap to become a sponsor.

 

well for starters I don't go into threads that other companies start about their own products and bag them or their kits...This post was instended to be an out of box comparison. Nothing more. Of course everyone with an APS kit is going to defend the kit but lets face it....Look at my original post in face value..it was meant to show the difference out of box tune kit vs kit. I didn't title this thread "APS Sucks HERES PROOF!!!" And fortunately there are people here who actually want to see stuff like this. If it was the other way around and there was a Turbonetics dyno posted in this format showing the APS ST kit making more then the APS kit I wouldn't start by saying it was a worthless post and that it was propaganda. I would like to discuss it but I wouldn't call the thread poster a "loser" because he posted it. After all as everyone keeps saying there is a kit for everyone. All this does is help people make an informed decision. There are several people who may choose to buy the APS TT kit and run it as is until they can get to a tuning shop...this shows what that will get you. Its not like I set this dyno up...this was done by an APS customer at HIS request. I like to think with the countless PMs and threads I've replied in to help people I do more then just talk about the APS vs TN debate...I think if you look around at a few other threads you may notice that I do a lot of helping even with APS customers...

 

This is like listening to a politician... the problem with getting this information is there is no middle ground from either APS or the TN camps. People grow tired of trying to sort through all the BS. You got MIA on the far left and APS on the far right. Then you got lap dogs like (Ounces) that call people ignorant and do MIA's dirty work.

I have stopped being an APS homer. I am going to stay neutral and just listen and learn more about both kits. I respect both kits since I started to understand a little more about them.

MIA I got no problem with you but taking cheap shots and looking for anything you throw in Peters face is getting old. It was fun at first doing the little APS vs TN battles. But I think everyone is tired of you and Peter looking for an edge. Let's grow up and stop hating. Stop the insults and learn to help each other.

Peace?

 

Point taken...and yes, peace.