Here are dynos of an APS TT kit in red on the soloe dyno and in blue on the overlay dyno.... The APS car has a Crawford Plenum, Test pipes, Borla exhaust, Lightweight flywheel, UR crank pulley, etc. The Turbonetics car has just the Turbonetics kit with stock exhaust and nothing else...

 

BTW I know the numbers are hard to read but the results are APS TT kit: 367 RWHP 365 Ft/lb The Turbonetics car made 358 RWHP and 380 Ft/lb Tq

 

I think you mean APS TT in blue, TN in red...

Also note the blue AF ratio in the bottom. The APS is pig rich...

ahm

 

Mia...which is which ??? If the Turbo-N is in blue...they have a winner on hand

 

Pretty sure blue is APS TT because its showing 367 on the dyno graph.

 

nope, turbonetics is blue and aps is red.

 

is tn gonna build a tt? st won't pass smog here in cali cuz stock cats are removed? just asking questions. great numbers, esp torque.

 

Whichever turbo kit dyno the most recent it would be blue on the first dyno with the overlay since it is dated 8/12/05 at 4:52 and it max power is 367.98 and max torque 365.52, also this is running rich.

What psi of boost was both kit ran at?

If going by what Mia posted the APS would be blue making the max power of 367.98 and max torque of 365.52

 

Yes on the overlay the APS is in blue and the Turbonetics is in red. Note that the APS car had a bit better power down low due to smaller turbos and the extra breathing mods like the plenum, exhaust, test pipes, crank pulley, etc. And the Turbonetics started pulling hard around 3500 when full boost hit. But there is NO WAY the Turbonetics should be making that much more torque then the APS TT kit considering that it is on a otherwise stock car and stock exhaust which is what is probably affecting the hp up top on the Turbonetics kit.

 

Looks as if both are rich.

 

The guy with the APS kit just needs tuning.

 

True but I bet he is not too happy with the out-of-box results.

The TNetics graph looks much better than what you posted on the other board. Hardly look slike a linear SC as Peter commented.

 

So let me get this straight...you're comparing a near perfectly tuned Turbonetics car to a basically completely untuned APS TT car?

 

What is the point of this thread??

Anyways, I'd go with APS anyday no matter WHAT. Especially over Tnetics.

 

No I'm comparing an out of box tune Turbonetics kit on a stock car with no other mods to a APS TT kit with out of the box tune but with test pipes, true duals, crank pulley, and flywheel.

 

Better tune out of the box does not outweigh potential. I would guess that both of those cars tuned perfectly would have APS on top.

 

Well since no one has dyno tuned the Turbonetics car and raised up the boost other then Speed Dreams I guess you could say that. Although I have a dyno chart of my car at 9 PSI with nothing else done on a stock exhaust and its making 390 RWHP. I would say the potential for power on the Turbonetics car is just as good though Turbonetics chooses not to force you to dyno tune for extra out of pocket money and delivers a safe kit with a good tune out of box. But if you wanted to you could very easily raise the boost and re-tune and make just as much. The turbo in the kit is good for close to 600 RWHP if tuned right on a solid motor.

 

This just seems like a cheesy commercial aimed people that are uninformed and don't know the truth. The average output of the APS kits with those mods is 440-470hp at 8-9psi after they have been tuned.

Yes the out of the box the Turbonetics makes decent power for a lower price than most kits. You can not compare the two kits with a straight face. It's comparing apples and oranges.

The two kits occupy different market positions. Any one that wants the upper level components will of course want to get it tuned and would never be satisfied with a out of the box tune. For some one with a more limited budget the fact that you don't have to spend extra money for a tune is a nice feature.

 

Sure you can tune the APS car but in this guys case the closet tuner is 1500 miles or more away. And APS is not going to be compensating him for the travel or dyno time so whats the point. Regardless of tuning you cannot tell me that with all those extra mods that power level is even close to ok. There is over $10k invested in that car already and with those results. So the guy should automatically be willing to spend another couple grand and take the time to drive 1500 + miles just cause its the APS kit?

 

And BTW the car is running 8 PSI.