APS TT kit vs Turbonetics kit dyno overlayed
Originally Posted by taurran
Not really... the only difference is that Turbonetics isn't too cheap to become a sponsor. 
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Damn, it took me like 20 min to read this thread lol - forgot most of what I was going to say lol
I have a TN ST (yet to be installed) and the reason I bought it was simply because I wanted a cheap (relatively), simple and a reliable turbo system. If I was planning on taking out a mortgage and making a 600hp+ TT beast, that frequently visits a tuner or blows something up - I would've probably got an expensive *** TT set up.
I think what MIAPLAYA is just making a point that unless you're planning on investing additional time and money into tunning, an APS kit isn't worth the extra $4000 since that #'s aren't much off.
Just because MIAPLAYA has pride in his ST kit (resulting in a bias), and has been pushing it - doesn't mean he should be smacked and banned. If you guys asked about body kits, I'd swear that my Veilside V3 is one of the best out there and has the best fit in the world... why? because I LOVE IT and I'm Proud of it. Peopel can tell me that it's not "clean" or "jdm" like a lip kit, but what's the point of customizing your car to fit in with rest of the people?
just my $0.02.
I have a TN ST (yet to be installed) and the reason I bought it was simply because I wanted a cheap (relatively), simple and a reliable turbo system. If I was planning on taking out a mortgage and making a 600hp+ TT beast, that frequently visits a tuner or blows something up - I would've probably got an expensive *** TT set up.
I think what MIAPLAYA is just making a point that unless you're planning on investing additional time and money into tunning, an APS kit isn't worth the extra $4000 since that #'s aren't much off.
Just because MIAPLAYA has pride in his ST kit (resulting in a bias), and has been pushing it - doesn't mean he should be smacked and banned. If you guys asked about body kits, I'd swear that my Veilside V3 is one of the best out there and has the best fit in the world... why? because I LOVE IT and I'm Proud of it. Peopel can tell me that it's not "clean" or "jdm" like a lip kit, but what's the point of customizing your car to fit in with rest of the people?
just my $0.02.
Originally Posted by Llare
All we need is some chocolate and its GO TIME 
Originally Posted by VeilsideZ33
Damn, it took me like 20 min to read this thread lol - forgot most of what I was going to say lol
I have a TN ST (yet to be installed) and the reason I bought it was simply because I wanted a cheap (relatively), simple and a reliable turbo system. If I was planning on taking out a mortgage and making a 600hp+ TT beast, that frequently visits a tuner or blows something up - I would've probably got an expensive *** TT set up.
I think what MIAPLAYA is just making a point that unless you're planning on investing additional time and money into tunning, an APS kit isn't worth the extra $4000 since that #'s aren't much off.
Just because MIAPLAYA has pride in his ST kit (resulting in a bias), and has been pushing it - doesn't mean he should be smacked and banned. If you guys asked about body kits, I'd swear that my Veilside V3 is one of the best out there and has the best fit in the world... why? because I LOVE IT and I'm Proud of it. Peopel can tell me that it's not "clean" or "jdm" like a lip kit, but what's the point of customizing your car to fit in with rest of the people?
just my $0.02.
I have a TN ST (yet to be installed) and the reason I bought it was simply because I wanted a cheap (relatively), simple and a reliable turbo system. If I was planning on taking out a mortgage and making a 600hp+ TT beast, that frequently visits a tuner or blows something up - I would've probably got an expensive *** TT set up.
I think what MIAPLAYA is just making a point that unless you're planning on investing additional time and money into tunning, an APS kit isn't worth the extra $4000 since that #'s aren't much off.
Just because MIAPLAYA has pride in his ST kit (resulting in a bias), and has been pushing it - doesn't mean he should be smacked and banned. If you guys asked about body kits, I'd swear that my Veilside V3 is one of the best out there and has the best fit in the world... why? because I LOVE IT and I'm Proud of it. Peopel can tell me that it's not "clean" or "jdm" like a lip kit, but what's the point of customizing your car to fit in with rest of the people?
just my $0.02.
Well said...
Originally Posted by VeilsideZ33
Damn, it took me like 20 min to read this thread lol - forgot most of what I was going to say lol
I have a TN ST (yet to be installed) and the reason I bought it was simply because I wanted a cheap (relatively), simple and a reliable turbo system. If I was planning on taking out a mortgage and making a 600hp+ TT beast, that frequently visits a tuner or blows something up - I would've probably got an expensive *** TT set up.
I think what MIAPLAYA is just making a point that unless you're planning on investing additional time and money into tunning, an APS kit isn't worth the extra $4000 since that #'s aren't much off.
Just because MIAPLAYA has pride in his ST kit (resulting in a bias), and has been pushing it - doesn't mean he should be smacked and banned. If you guys asked about body kits, I'd swear that my Veilside V3 is one of the best out there and has the best fit in the world... why? because I LOVE IT and I'm Proud of it. Peopel can tell me that it's not "clean" or "jdm" like a lip kit, but what's the point of customizing your car to fit in with rest of the people?
just my $0.02.
I have a TN ST (yet to be installed) and the reason I bought it was simply because I wanted a cheap (relatively), simple and a reliable turbo system. If I was planning on taking out a mortgage and making a 600hp+ TT beast, that frequently visits a tuner or blows something up - I would've probably got an expensive *** TT set up.
I think what MIAPLAYA is just making a point that unless you're planning on investing additional time and money into tunning, an APS kit isn't worth the extra $4000 since that #'s aren't much off.
Just because MIAPLAYA has pride in his ST kit (resulting in a bias), and has been pushing it - doesn't mean he should be smacked and banned. If you guys asked about body kits, I'd swear that my Veilside V3 is one of the best out there and has the best fit in the world... why? because I LOVE IT and I'm Proud of it. Peopel can tell me that it's not "clean" or "jdm" like a lip kit, but what's the point of customizing your car to fit in with rest of the people?
just my $0.02.
Originally Posted by 35ounces
Wow! What a truely ignorant post.
The dyno shows what the two kits might look like with an out-of-the-box tune. Take it for what its worth. Of course the APS TT and the TNetics ST are entirely different beasts but the dyno shows that the TNetics out-of-the-box is doing pretty darn well. Your post was freakin sad. Don't bash the kit just because your tired of Mia supporting it. The rest of us are interested in the results and can filter the information enough to know what it says and what its worth.
The dyno shows what the two kits might look like with an out-of-the-box tune. Take it for what its worth. Of course the APS TT and the TNetics ST are entirely different beasts but the dyno shows that the TNetics out-of-the-box is doing pretty darn well. Your post was freakin sad. Don't bash the kit just because your tired of Mia supporting it. The rest of us are interested in the results and can filter the information enough to know what it says and what its worth.
My post may have been slightly opinionated, but it contained 90% TRUTH. So if the TRUTH is ignorant, so be it. Did you miss the post where I explained to MIA that I was just giving him a little of his own medicine?
This whole deal should be done...but I'm not going to let someone sit here and call me ignorant without a response.
Last edited by BriGuyMax; Aug 13, 2005 at 01:07 PM.
Originally Posted by Z BOY
i'm just curious, and this is a real question: has aps posted a thread/dyno comparing their kit vs anyone else's?
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Ignorant?? Does the Turbonetics kit NOT have long feed pipes and use stock manifolds? Does it NOT have a 60-1 turbocharger which made it's debut almost 15 years ago? Did I miss the part where it's good to have your turbocharger near wiring harnesses and rubber coolant lines and your radiator? Does Turbonetics NOT sell rebuilt turbochargers as new? (I have several references if you like)
My post may have been slightly opinionated, but it contained 90% TRUTH. So if the TRUTH is ignorant, so be it. Did you miss the post where I explained to MIA that I was just giving him a little of his own medicine?
This whole deal should be done...but I'm not going to let someone sit here and call me ignorant without a response.
My post may have been slightly opinionated, but it contained 90% TRUTH. So if the TRUTH is ignorant, so be it. Did you miss the post where I explained to MIA that I was just giving him a little of his own medicine?
This whole deal should be done...but I'm not going to let someone sit here and call me ignorant without a response.
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
FYI the APS ST also places the turbo near a bunch of wiring and the clutch line which happens to be hydraulic...
Oh power rack return hose is a little close but it is a least 3-4 inches from the air side of the turbo also.
Damn the more I try and walk away the more they pull me back in!!!! Nooooo!
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
FYI the APS ST also places the turbo near a bunch of wiring and the clutch line which happens to be hydraulic...
Please reference me the post where I stated that the APS ST kit was so fantastic? You started that whole deal. There's a reason I have the TT kit and not the single turbo kit from APS. I don't think the APS ST is all that great either. Why do you have to change the comparison from the APS TT to the APS ST? Isn't this thread after all about the APS TT and the Turbonetics?
BTW...I was watching an APS ST install the other day...and the only "wire" that it is remotely near is an O2 sensor wire. Get your facts straight, and like Llare said the clutch line is replaced by an SS line.
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Please reference me the post where I stated that the APS ST kit was so fantastic? You started that whole deal. There's a reason I have the TT kit and not the single turbo kit from APS. I don't think the APS ST is all that great either. Why do you have to change the comparison from the APS TT to the APS ST? Isn't this thread after all about the APS TT and the Turbonetics?
BTW...I was watching an APS ST install the other day...and the only "wire" that it is remotely near is an O2 sensor wire. Get your facts straight, and like Llare said the clutch line is replaced by an SS line.
BTW...I was watching an APS ST install the other day...and the only "wire" that it is remotely near is an O2 sensor wire. Get your facts straight, and like Llare said the clutch line is replaced by an SS line.
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Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Please reference me the post where I stated that the APS ST kit was so fantastic? You started that whole deal. There's a reason I have the TT kit and not the single turbo kit from APS. I don't think the APS ST is all that great either. Why do you have to change the comparison from the APS TT to the APS ST? Isn't this thread after all about the APS TT and the Turbonetics?
BTW...I was watching an APS ST install the other day...and the only "wire" that it is remotely near is an O2 sensor wire. Get your facts straight, and like Llare said the clutch line is replaced by an SS line.
BTW...I was watching an APS ST install the other day...and the only "wire" that it is remotely near is an O2 sensor wire. Get your facts straight, and like Llare said the clutch line is replaced by an SS line.
Hey Briguy pot-kettle-black...put it together...