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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 04:26 PM
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Default Does anybody successfully tune with AEM and E-01?

i just finished hooking up the signal harness to my e-01...linking the white wire (output) from the AEM wideband.

I spoke with Greddy Support to help walk me through, thanks for trying guys, but I really ended up experimenting around with it and pretty much figuring it out on my own.

so, i can now display A/F on the E-01...even graph it (even though the x-axis of the graph moves way too slow when trying to graph out the A/F of a given run--Does anybody know if there is a way to increase the speed of the x-axis graph display???)
as for now, it would seem that the easiest way to really see A/F on the E-01 to fine tune a street tuning session, would be to REC and then playback in the "bar" mode to see the values of RPM and watch A/F...
The wiring is as follows: the AEM gauge has two sheathed bundles of wires that exit the back of the guage...one bundle has 6 wires, these go to the sensor--don't mess with these, the other bundle is power to the guage..and there is a white wire out of the 4 that is the output signal from the AEM

this white wire connects with the white wire on the signal harness for the E-01...the only other wire that needs to be connected on the harness (according to Greddy support via a phone conversation) is the ground, which in this case, is a black wire...so those two wires on the harness get connected, plug in the harness and now it's time for the E-01 configuration
The settings are as follows:
B.Setup-->4 (analog input)
use channel 1 (the white wire is the analog input on channel 1--this should be obvious enough)
CH1
name AN CH1
unit A/F
volt 0.00-4.99
conversion 0.00-10.0

Greddy told me to use 7.13-15.3 for the conversion
they further told me that the A/F would only display values between 10.3-12.6
I used my values, 0-10.0 instead and it displays ALL A/F values the same as my AEM..the E-01 only will display, for example 5.2..if the AEM shows 15.0....so ultimately..the E-01 shows the correct value but is .2 A/F points high and add 10 to get the actual value

so, again, if A/F on the wideband is 11.5:1....12.0
the E-01 will display A/F as 1.7...12.2

ok, you get the idea

so, any feedback on how to make the E-01 read EXACT as the AEM would be great, also, if there is any way to speed up the graph mode of the guage so that i can graph a run and see the A/F graph wider than 1/4 of an inch

THX!!!

any feedback or any other experience/tips with this would greatly be appreciated!
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 05:51 PM
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I can't help you with your questions, but I had a question of mine own. Why do you tune you car so often? I thought once a car was tuned you don't need to retune unless you add another mod that would affect a/f ratios.
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i further have a question, hahah. why did you want the aem to go into the e-01? the e ultimate has definate advantages for the target a/f map and datalogging, but inputting it to the e-01 seems kinda redundant.
as far as the settings, i have my aem wideband running into the eu, and using the settings 8.7-23.2 lambda. not sure if it sets up the same way on the e-01 though. mine is still about 0.4 off right now but have yet to toy with it much.
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 06:37 PM
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That is wack, the display should be perfect if you input the correct values and the output from the wideband is linear.

Yes you can tune using the e01, the best way is to rec and then go back and play it one click at a time to see the values, I usually have boost, AF and RPM's displayed so I can go to the MAPS and see which cells need revising by RPM and boost.

I usually will take the time and write down the data and put it in a spreadsheet, you are supposed to be able to also see the tracing on the MAPS but I have not figured that out yet.
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 07:12 PM
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I usually will take the time and write down the data and put it in a spreadsheet, you are supposed to be able to also see the tracing on the MAPS but I have not figured that out yet.
regarding your comment on the tracing...are u referring to being able to do a pull, then see all of the cells taht you were just in? if that is the case, just pull up the map ...put the curser to the top right hand corner on top and keep it on (CLEAR)...push down on the **** to clear the traced values after a run...

i assume u were talking about tracing while viewing A/F, boost, rpm in the display, but figured i would explain the simple method for personal amusement
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Old Aug 24, 2005 | 07:17 PM
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I can't help you with your questions, but I had a question of mine own. Why do you tune you car so often? I thought once a car was tuned you don't need to retune unless you add another mod that would affect a/f ratios.
in theory yes...but we are dealing with a piggyback system that is countering whatever values the ECU is seeing..and there is not a way to easily see what the ECU values are...soooo, because i am on motor number 3...i have been very careful as to monitor my tune and fine tune when needed....it seems like at this point, my car has held the current tune for at least a week now..hurray!!!

typically, my experience with the e-manage and the 350z ECU, is that the tune could be great one day...11.4:1 across the board, and the next day, some sensor or whatever chnages something in the ECU, so now you e-manage map is correcting for values that weren't anticipated, giving a undesirable result...i've seen a 11.4:1 tune go to 12.8:1 or higher...i don't worry as much since i run a 101/91 octane mix now...but i assume that is why my first motor blew up, possible the explanation for the cracked ringlands on the second...call me paranoid, but i am constantly fine tuning
and now with the datalogging ability of A/F, i can more closely fine tune my existing tune for even better performance and safety...
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
regarding your comment on the tracing...are u referring to being able to do a pull, then see all of the cells taht you were just in? if that is the case, just pull up the map ...put the curser to the top right hand corner on top and keep it on (CLEAR)...push down on the **** to clear the traced values after a run...

i assume u were talking about tracing while viewing A/F, boost, rpm in the display, but figured i would explain the simple method for personal amusement
Cool, I will try next time, I really had not messed with it since I can figure out the celss based on the logged data.
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i further have a question, hahah. why did you want the aem to go into the e-01? the e ultimate has definate advantages for the target a/f map and datalogging, but inputting it to the e-01 seems kinda redundant.
as far as the settings, i have my aem wideband running into the eu, and using the settings 8.7-23.2 lambda. not sure if it sets up the same way on the e-01 though. mine is still about 0.4 off right now but have yet to toy with it much.

imputting the A/F into the e-01 allows me to record and thus tune with more precision...
vs, looking at the wideband and saying ..oops, i saw a 12, add some more fuel there

so, no...not redundant, this allows me to accomplish something that i couldn't do before, that is...graph, datalog more accurately, and best of all record and playback to see what is the A/F at x rpm...and what boost am i seeing as well...
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Originally Posted by westpak
Cool, I will try next time, I really had not messed with it since I can figure out the celss based on the logged data.

i used to do it the same exact way that u are describing
until i was shown the trace function...it makes is sooo much easier!!!


same can be done with the timing map as well!!!

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Originally Posted by westpak
That is wack, the display should be perfect if you input the correct values and the output from the wideband is linear.

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what values do you use for volts and conversion..please share...
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Old Aug 25, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
what values do you use for volts and conversion..please share...

I am so saddened that you didnt acknowledge the help I gave you yesterday....

You should use these voltage values, pulled from the AEM installation manual.

9.72 = 0 Volts
19.56 = 4.99 Volts

Your welcome. haha
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Old Aug 25, 2005 | 10:21 AM
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Glad to see you got this working and explaining how to hook it all up, but could this be of use to me (Innovate LC-1/Gauge owner). It has two analog outputs. So theoretically it should work. I am at work right now and don't have the LC-1 manual with me, but just seeing if I could get any input before investigating myself.
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Originally Posted by 002-M-P
Glad to see you got this working and explaining how to hook it all up, but could this be of use to me (Innovate LC-1/Gauge owner). It has two analog outputs. So theoretically it should work. I am at work right now and don't have the LC-1 manual with me, but just seeing if I could get any input before investigating myself.
Yes, we hooked one up for someone here using the ext signal harness, the only issue was that the values in the manual didn't quite work so we did a couple of revs to see what the voltage shown on the e01 equaled to on the display of the lc1 and we came very close.
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awesome glad to see that it will work that way.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
I am so saddened that you didnt acknowledge the help I gave you yesterday....
sharif...we all know that you are the man when it comes to e-manage...i know this, that is why i was frantically trying to get ahold of u yesterday...

i know you are joking about the guidance u gave me yesterday...you responded to every question i had with the redundant phrase "the white wire"
like a parrot on crack, you recited these words over and over until you were unable to reach....

really, though, we all know you have bailed me and many others out SEVERAL times before...i'm truely greatful, see you tomorrow!!!

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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb

really, though, we all know you have bailed me and many others out SEVERAL times before...i'm truely greatful, see you tomorrow!!!
Oh shut up you bastard. Just for that, you will be sleeping in the kitchen, on the cold tile floors.

MP, the Innovate will work perfectly as well. You simply take the analog signal output wire and attach it the "WHITE WIRE" on the e-01 external signal harness. Make sure, of course, to wire up the grounds. The voltage scale for the Innovate sensor is as follows
0-5V
7.35 to 22.39

Hope that helps!
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Oh shut up you bastard. Just for that, you will be sleeping in the kitchen, on the cold tile floors.

MP, the Innovate will work perfectly as well. You simply take the analog signal output wire and attach it the "WHITE WIRE" on the e-01 external signal harness. Make sure, of course, to wire up the grounds. The voltage scale for the Innovate sensor is as follows
0-5V
7.35 to 22.39

Hope that helps!
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
MP, the Innovate will work perfectly as well. You simply take the analog signal output wire and attach it the "WHITE WIRE" on the e-01 external signal harness. Make sure, of course, to wire up the grounds. The voltage scale for the Innovate sensor is as follows
0-5V
7.35 to 22.39

Hope that helps!
I appreciate the help. Thanks
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Originally Posted by 350zDCalb
sharif...we all know that you are the man when it comes to e-manage...i know this, that is why i was frantically trying to get ahold of u yesterday...

i know you are joking about the guidance u gave me yesterday...you responded to every question i had with the redundant phrase "the white wire"
like a parrot on crack, you recited these words over and over until you were unable to reach....

really, though, we all know you have bailed me and many others out SEVERAL times before...i'm truely greatful, see you tomorrow!!!
thats some funny sh&^t right there, hahaha. but yes gotta give it to sharif, as he has helped me out with info many times before too.
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Originally Posted by overZealous1
thats some funny sh&^t right there, hahaha. but yes gotta give it to sharif, as he has helped me out with info many times before too.

You guys are too funny. THANKS!
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