Cooler days means more power
I calculated the air densities between summer and fall/winter and the percent gain in amount of air being injested in the engine. At 90 deg F and R.H. of 65% at sea level the air density is apprx. 1.144Kg/cu.meter. At 40 deg and R.H. of 40% at sea level the air density is approx. 1.247 Kg/cu. meter..
So what does this mean? It means a roughly 9% increase in air flowing thru the engine with a corresponding increase in power assuming all engine losses are linear..Drivetrain etc..
So what does this mean? It means a roughly 9% increase in air flowing thru the engine with a corresponding increase in power assuming all engine losses are linear..Drivetrain etc..
Originally Posted by jpc350z
I calculated the air densities between summer and fall/winter and the percent gain in amount of air being injested in the engine. At 90 deg F and R.H. of 65% at sea level the air density is apprx. 1.144Kg/cu.meter. At 40 deg and R.H. of 40% at sea level the air density is approx. 1.247 Kg/cu. meter..
So what does this mean? It means a roughly 9% increase in air flowing thru the engine with a corresponding increase in power assuming all engine losses are linear..Drivetrain etc..
So what does this mean? It means a roughly 9% increase in air flowing thru the engine with a corresponding increase in power assuming all engine losses are linear..Drivetrain etc..
I did some calculations of my own, do you know that the farther down you press the pedal on the right, the faster the car goes?
Originally Posted by zparts
I did some calculations of my own, do you know that the farther down you press the pedal on the right, the faster the car goes?
Originally Posted by zparts
Uh...yea. Most people know this. That is why there are "Correction Factors" built into Dyno software.
I did some calculations of my own, do you know that the farther down you press the pedal on the right, the faster the car goes?
I did some calculations of my own, do you know that the farther down you press the pedal on the right, the faster the car goes?
jpc350z, thanks for the info.
I think a VERY rough estimate that I heard once is 1 crank hp for every 7 degrees drop in temperature.
Obviously this is not the actual number, because it's actually a percentage based upon your current HP output/compression/altitude/volume and a billion other factors etc...etc...yada yada yada. So it all basically means that if you bought a kia spectra and it was zero kelvin outside you'd have yourself a real monster.
Obviously this is not the actual number, because it's actually a percentage based upon your current HP output/compression/altitude/volume and a billion other factors etc...etc...yada yada yada. So it all basically means that if you bought a kia spectra and it was zero kelvin outside you'd have yourself a real monster.
Wow...nice smart-@$$ remark. That was actually good information for those of us who don't sit around with our slide-rules calculating air-density all day long. Next time, think before you post.
jpc350z, thanks for the info.
jpc350z, thanks for the info.
i knew the idea, just never sat down to calculate it all out.
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
Good post jcp350z....yeah I knew the colder the more power, but I sure as hell don't know how to come up with those figures.....good job.
Do you have a formula for that?
Do you have a formula for that?
Originally Posted by galopi
with this information i shall now die with my life complete.
Originally Posted by kcobean
Wow. Your 2nd post and already you're mocking people who went to some trouble to post information that others find useful. Not a great start. Why was this necessary?
Maybe he was trying to be humorous and it didn’t come out very well. Might I add you car looks kick a@@
Originally Posted by NissanZfan
Maybe he was trying to be humorous and it didn’t come out very well. Might I add you car looks kick a@@ 

And thank you!
Originally Posted by kcobean
Wow...nice smart-@$$ remark. That was actually good information for those of us who don't sit around with our slide-rules calculating air-density all day long. Next time, think before you post.
jpc350z, thanks for the info.
jpc350z, thanks for the info.
Originally Posted by Gman2004
Good post jcp350z....yeah I knew the colder the more power, but I sure as hell don't know how to come up with those figures.....good job.
Do you have a formula for that?
Do you have a formula for that?
AD = Air Density (kg./m3)
P = Air Pressure (m bar)
h = Relative Humidity (% rh)
t = Air Temp. (deg. Centigrade)
Hey that's good info. jpc350z but can I ask why you get more power. I understand that as the density increases, for a fixed volume the mass increases:
m = V * P
so you have a higher mass flow rate.
But why more power (I know you do get more, but why) is it:
a) to do with more mass of air thus relatively less mass of fuel thus effectively running leaner?
b) to do with the MAF sensor detecting more mass of air and thus sending a higher voltage so more fuel is put in by the ECU too?
c) none of the above?
Forgive my ignorance but I'd like to know
m = V * P
so you have a higher mass flow rate.
But why more power (I know you do get more, but why) is it:
a) to do with more mass of air thus relatively less mass of fuel thus effectively running leaner?
b) to do with the MAF sensor detecting more mass of air and thus sending a higher voltage so more fuel is put in by the ECU too?
c) none of the above?
Forgive my ignorance but I'd like to know
Originally Posted by prescience
Hey that's good info. jpc350z but can I ask why you get more power. I understand that as the density increases, for a fixed volume the mass increases:
m = V * P
so you have a higher mass flow rate.
But why more power (I know you do get more, but why) is it:
a) to do with more mass of air thus relatively less mass of fuel thus effectively running leaner?
b) to do with the MAF sensor detecting more mass of air and thus sending a higher voltage so more fuel is put in by the ECU too?
c) none of the above?
Forgive my ignorance but I'd like to know
m = V * P
so you have a higher mass flow rate.
But why more power (I know you do get more, but why) is it:
a) to do with more mass of air thus relatively less mass of fuel thus effectively running leaner?
b) to do with the MAF sensor detecting more mass of air and thus sending a higher voltage so more fuel is put in by the ECU too?
c) none of the above?
Forgive my ignorance but I'd like to know
Originally Posted by jpc350z
The formula is : AD= [( 0.34844 X P) - h(0.00252xt-0.020582)]/273.15xt
AD = Air Density (kg./m3)
P = Air Pressure (m bar)
h = Relative Humidity (% rh)
t = Air Temp. (deg. Centigrade)
AD = Air Density (kg./m3)
P = Air Pressure (m bar)
h = Relative Humidity (% rh)
t = Air Temp. (deg. Centigrade)
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