Yeah don't get me wrong if Vortech had've recommended it (and not voided warranty) I'd have one on there right now

From Vortech instructions for the record

 

Gotcha

 

hehe just for the record, AZ is full of cops - at least around the city areas. Like most everywhere, the highways in the middle of nowhere don't have many cops. My GF and I did about 120mph give or take solid for 4 hours from CA to AZ once in my Z. It was fun and that was just my NA mods

 

forgot to answer my take on this

I'm thinking going from 0 to full boost in the course of 1000 rpm's is a lot of force going into the engine all at once vs the SC's less torque turning the engine over the entire rev range. But maybe it isn't a big deal

 

it is a big deal, imo. And a reason i'm leaning towards a SC rather than Turbo this round.

Why does everyone overlook the HKS/Rotrex unit? The C30-94 is good for 350-400whp with some tuning and smaller pulley. And is much more efficient than the Vortech units.

 

I think the HKS kit is a great kit, but isn't on the menu of most modders because it's kinda locked down. People want to be able to add their own exhaust or HF cats, or plenum, headers, cams, EMS etc and those things upset the HKS tune

 

If HKS ever sold a tuner kit with pulley choice.....

 

Your just missing my point completely..Im trying to explain to you that you really have pro's and cons o every set up.It seems as if you just post the "PROS" of the Vortec and not the "CONS"..Just understand fully what statements you are making and why your making them, and dont trust free advise on the internet..Even mine..
Every kit has pros and cons and it seems as if you have done some research, however make sure you do ALL your research and can live with your choice...Honestly for a guy who called me and started from the SFR kit on a built motor and 600-700hp goals you just seemed to come down a few notches and i want to make sure you end up happy with your decision and are "realistic" with your choices and goals in the end..As far as where you choose to get your work done, be my guest to take a 200 mile drive to MD, it is totally up to you where you get your work done, Im sure I will stay in business ....

 

 

No fighting here..im simply explaining to Oleg, his "options"...I just want him to be aware of the pros and cons of every kit and not just look at the pros..
I like customers who educate themselves on modding their cars, however a bad education is very hard to reverse, and these customers ultimately make poor decisions based on the advise of friends,neighbors,internet,ect...LikeI said,always question free advice... I am even wrong alot..

 

You can add your own whatever.. That just means you have to control it. UTEC, V Pro, EU. Any of these and you can have at it.

This isn't out of the box. That's the problem.

I'm going to be doing my own tuner kit. haha. And I have a few ideas in the works. Not just a smaller pulley.

 

hehe

yeah, really my goal in terms of straight line power is to (drumroll) beat my dad's stock C6 hands down.

I'm more interested in autox though and some road course work than drag racing. Still though, I want some more oomph than my NA setup - which still has plenty of it really. I mean if you're going 40mph in a 45 zone and jab the gas pedal for 1 second in a strong gear, you'll be doing 50mph without thinking. The digital speedometer just goes 40, 45, 50 and then you're going "Oh sh*t, now I gotta slow down some"

As it is, I want a well rounded car because I like different types of driving. Not one that's too much one thing over another.

Still though, I want more power and as much traction and predicability as possible. I don't want to be at a red light and decide to do a quick take off and end up sitting there peeling out tires while all the other cars are rolling their eyes at me thinking what a dumbass I am. I want to go.

The vortech has a lot of flaws like any kit. It's noisier, belts need changing, and well really some of it's "flaws" to me are actually "strenghs" I think for what I'm wanting out of a car and the convenience of getting it set up. I actually want the slower belt drag because it'll help out with living with a light clutch. The tilton is fine, but is too extreme during heavier traffic where there's always someone blocking you from accellerating to the speed you want.

To do a full out vortech setup to get some turbo-ish power, you need to do headers and cams - which I already have done. Taking my crawford headers off would be a *****, but then again, so would a TT setup in the first place. It costs twice as much to install as a vortech kit. There's other things too, but it just works out for me.

A TT setup would be awesome though for a lot of situations and I think it suits a lot of people - though the ST kits usually really suit them more.

My fiance thinks my NA Z is fast as hell and thinks I'm partly nuts to actually want more speed. Cause what do I REALLY care if I'm faster than the next guy? I'm not Vin Diesal. I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. I enjoy my car, and drive it around and think it's fun. Only a couple of my friends care much about car stuff in general.

I start wondering after a certain point if there's some sorta ***** envy thing going on if I feel the urge to drive around in a 800hp car everyday. I guess it's more of a respect thing? 800hp demands respect. But thing is most people think a car with 300hp like a mustang GT is fast as hell as is.

I don't own a shop. I have nothing to gain by making a monster hp car. I don't get parts at cost and then get tax breaks on them come tax time. I don't want to be "that guy" who spends his life's fortune trying to make his car faster because we all know 700whp just isn't enough power. If it's ALL about power, then man, I really really bought the wrong car. So I figure I have to live with my choice that the Z is a Z. It can be improved to go faster, but after awhile, what is it that I'm REALLY trying to do? I work with a guy who bought a brand new long nose dragster and trailer that runs mid 7's all for about $40k. People say "take it to the drag strip" - well he sure is. No you can't pick up chicks in it, but since when do most women care about hp or speed? They mostly care that it's a nice car with style and makes them look more attractive/classy by being in it. And if they are into speed, hell a stock Z and some quick-ish cornering should impress them anyway if that's what they're into.

 

OK, let me step back b/c I am beginning to sound combative, which I am not. (now that was gay....) I do understand that I am giving mixed messages first, talking about a 700whp setup and then all of a sudden dropping not one, but a bunch of notches. I appreciate your effort to prevent me from a disappointment in my choice of setups. So I would like to clarify all of this in this post and give somewhat of an explanation of my change of mind.
When I was talking about a 600-700hp car, the only source of information were these forums and fromreading all these posts about this guy making 500whp and that guy making 600whp I was under an honest impression that a truly fun car must have at least 550whp and almost same torque. I admit to not having a clue as to what I was talking about. As I said, whatever I was imagining a 500 whp to feel like, that was what I have seen on a Vortech'd car with 9 lb pulley. So now I am more educated about my expectations then I ever was, especially when we spoke on the phone in regards to that lofty hp levels. According to many people's descriptions anything less then 500whp is deemed as conservative.
And I would definately be an idiot to think that it would all end with the turbo set and motor. The brakes, suspension, axels, wheels, tyres, etc, etc all would have to be upgraded beyond anything that I have on the car now. After everything is said and done I would have a lot of explanations to do as to why haven't I bought a Carrera Turbo or a Gallardo AND saved some money at the same time. Not to mention that I would have to crawl around at 1/10th throttle afraid to overrev by even a 100 rpm not end up sideways. That would be too difficult for an amateur driver to control and I would definately would not be enjoying it. As I said, maybe I am the only grandma in a room full of Shumachers or some of these hp freaks are either just driving the car from dyno to dragstrip one quater mile at a time or... (I'll keep that one to myself not to really start a fight).
And I am more then positive that losing my potential buisness would hurt you less then it would hurt me. I'll be the jackass wasting money on gas and grayhound fares to get between NY and Maryland. But I really hate to argue with people that will be working on a car which I will be driving at high speeds, for same reasons that I would not **** off my waitor in a restoraunt. So no, I did not mean it as a threat, that would be silly.
This is what I am at right now. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Vortech full kit is not a good upgrade. Not b/c of the fact that the whole concept of a centrifugal blower is flawed, but b/c the fuel system and EM Vortech comes with is primitive, crude and dated. The options that are on a market in terms of fuel components and electronics will allow to run the blower safely at 9 psi on stock internals (can't afford to do FI and a longblock same year anyway). A good installer/tuner would have no problems achieving that.
When riding in the Vortech'd car the feeling I got from it was that the car lost about a 1000 pounds, but kept the stock engine (although got a bit louder, not obnoxiously, but noticably) that's the best analogy I can make.
So I am content with what the Vortech would bring. And I will probably be able to fininsh the whole project for under 10 grand. This way I will not go broke on this one and will be in the market for the GT-R when it comes out.
So by my previous posts I meant no disrepect. The reason why I came down by a few notches is b/c now that I have experienced FI'd Z, I know exactly what I want. I am very content that even though I will not be the fastest Z on the forum and I will not be everyone's hero I will be having lots of fun driving it. If I still wanted a 700whp car, I would have sold the Z and bought the 2006 Mustang GT or an old TT supra.
And as far as belts breaking, well how about a boost controller going haywire and blowing the motor in the process... (just pulling various scenarios out of my @$$). Nothing is perfect and unless you buy a factory 600 hp monster with a giant team of engineers behind it along with month of and 1000000$'s worth of R&D, which ever setup you chose, be prepared for trouble.

And Sentry, you just have summed up my thought almost exactly.

 

something I realized a few days ago, is I got my new issue of sport Z magazine. There's an article in there about the aerosmith drummer and how he has an APS TT Z (came from a stillen SC).

That dude is seriously rich. He has a ton of nice exotics and goes thru them every year trading them in for the latest thing etc. Anyway, to that dude the APS kit and other mods money-wise mean about as much to him as you and I buying a DVD player. If he blows up his engine and turbos, he'd just pay the shop to fix it and to make sure it doesn't happen again. Man I wish things were that easy, but cars are freaking expensive.

There's been guys who have gone from a supercharged car to a TT and built block, and blew up the engine still and aren't having fun with it anymore. Things can get to the point where the stress and financial burdon are so high that you can't just go driving the car anymore. I'm kinda bitter about my car in a way, cause when it's done in the next couple months, it'll be around $63k total from buying the car, to buying all the mods too. That's just a lot of money for most people - me included. If I get in a wreck, my insurance will only cover the car and up to $10k in aftermarket parts. One thing is for sure. No matter what I do to my car, NOTHING will give me as much thrill as the first couple days I bought my Z. It's my first sports car

modding is too addicting. Reading people's reviews on parts just makes you want to buy them. They always sound so excited as if how could you possibly live without them. Nothing irritates you as much as putting on a bunch of expensive parts, then in a month or two a newer, better version coming out. As soon as I get the parts sitting in my room on my car and have sold my old parts, that's it. I'm done with the Z. I'm not going to be on the forums much anymore because I don't want to read about the latest whatever thing which is only going to make me have a little regret about what's on my car currently.

 

Like I said...Its never enough Boost=Crack

 

MRC, congrats on the Greddy rock.

 

could not agree more

 

Me again, bringing the thread back to life.
I am set on the centrifugal blower. Just had a crazy idea:
http://www.rotrex.eu.com
order a unit from here, get a spearco core and do custom piping/fuel system/engine management/etc. Or would I be better off just finding a good deal on an HKS kit and turning it into a "tuner kit" in terms of price? If you read materials on their page, they actually have a whole article on DIY kits. And I'm sure that without the traditional HKS markup the parts' price will not be too crazy.
IllZ, MRC, anyone?

 

wait til april. hks is supposed to be releasing an upgraded kit then.

 

What exactly will this upgrade involve? B/C I am not crazy about a lot of things in the design of the original. I dislike the aux injector idea, the total lack of tunability, zero potential for adding any other upgrades, etc... And their price sucks!
See my edited post above.