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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Im just curious, what swayed you towards HKS?You seem to be quite aware that they are way overpriced...
Oleg...
Seriously, there are cons in every set up,including the TT's..However for what your planning on doing you are going WAAAAAY overboard..
Oleg...
Seriously, there are cons in every set up,including the TT's..However for what your planning on doing you are going WAAAAAY overboard..
But having determined that the centrifugal blower is the direction I'd like to take with the FI, I liked Rotrex for 2 reasons: it's quieter and more efficient then other units, and it has a fully independent, most complete (filter, cooler, etc) lubrication system from the car's stock one.
BTW, I had no clue that the custom braket is such a hassle....

I can wait on IllZ to finish his and see what he spends and what he achieves. He'll be doing it through AAM and I am sure that they wound not mind replicating that setup on my Z.
Now that I am thinking about it, the HKS-spec bracket will only fit the HKS-spec blower. Anything else will cause issues with the headunit size and pulleys being misalligned, etc etc, a few milimeters of a difference will at least eat up the belt... It will probably be about 10 brackets to make and discrad for not working until the 11th one fits... Doing a custom one will cost me as much as it costs a company to develop a full kit, all in all it will be the Dreamworkes Supercharger redux...
It's not even that much of a money issue, it's more like after spening a crapload of cash, will I have the desired drivability. So either way you go, some compromise will have to be made...

Alright, jeeneyus at MRC. Now that you have shot down in flames all of my theories/speculations/proclamations/expectations about FI, give me an idea. From this thread you have seen my goal in power/drivability. How would YOU achieve it? I don't care if it's an SC, single, twin, triplet turbo, engine swap, whatever as long as there is no nitrous involved, I keep my bumper support and the maintainance is not too much for someone with absolutely zero mechanical aptitude (ME!!!)... And see if you can keep it under 10 grand (including the gauges).
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
But the Vortec instructions tell you to tap the upper oil pan..Not sure if it makes a difference or not.But tapping a spacer would be something I am more comfortable with..
Yup, works fine. Actually, the TN kit also requires you to tap the upper oil pan. The only reason they suggest this, is because there is no flat surface to safely tap the lower pan. A lot of customers will purchase the oil pan spacers, to avoid touching the OEM upper oil pan, and the oil drains just fine. It's a much cleaner install, and avoids the potential of introducing metal shavings into the oil, as you mentioned.
Originally Posted by Oleg
From this thread you have seen my goal in power/drivability. How would YOU achieve it? I don't care if it's an SC, single, twin, triplet turbo, engine swap, whatever as long as there is no nitrous involved, I keep my bumper support and the maintainance is not too much for someone with absolutely zero mechanical aptitude (ME!!!)... And see if you can keep it under 10 grand (including the gauges). 


I think its about time to bite the bullet and make a decision.
You will find that none of these kits are going to meet every single one of your needs, and none of them are perfect. You can put yourself in all off these kits for $10K or less. If you are looking for a set-it-and-forget-it kit, quite frankey, they do not exist. Even the venerable APS kits have their share of issues to tackle, and periodic tweaking to keep everything running correctly.
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Now that I am thinking about it, the HKS-spec bracket will only fit the HKS-spec blower.
Originally Posted by Oleg
He'll be doing it through AAM and I am sure that they wound not mind replicating that setup on my Z.
I have three companies interested in doing CNC work for me. One being a local machine shop that I used to get my builds done at.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Hey Oleg, you've been doing research on your FI kit for months now. You are certainly, already well informed on the various options; you and I have had numerous phone conversations on this too. 
I think its about time to bite the bullet and make a decision.
You will find that none of these kits are going to meet every single one of your needs, and none of them are perfect. You can put yourself in all off these kits for $10K or less. If you are looking for a set-it-and-forget-it kit, quite frankey, they do not exist. Even the venerable APS kits have their share of issues to tackle, and periodic tweaking to keep everything running correctly.

I think its about time to bite the bullet and make a decision.
You will find that none of these kits are going to meet every single one of your needs, and none of them are perfect. You can put yourself in all off these kits for $10K or less. If you are looking for a set-it-and-forget-it kit, quite frankey, they do not exist. Even the venerable APS kits have their share of issues to tackle, and periodic tweaking to keep everything running correctly.
I was using my condo project to rationalize my reluctance to make a desicion, but not that I live in it, after this winter I have absolutely ZERO excuses.
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Month, try OVER A YEAR!!!
I was using my condo project to rationalize my reluctance to make a desicion, but not that I live in it, after this winter I have absolutely ZERO excuses.
I was using my condo project to rationalize my reluctance to make a desicion, but not that I live in it, after this winter I have absolutely ZERO excuses.
Originally Posted by Oleg
Alright, jeeneyus at MRC. Now that you have shot down in flames all of my theories/speculations/proclamations/expectations about FI, give me an idea. From this thread you have seen my goal in power/drivability. How would YOU achieve it? I don't care if it's an SC, single, twin, triplet turbo, engine swap, whatever as long as there is no nitrous involved, I keep my bumper support and the maintainance is not too much for someone with absolutely zero mechanical aptitude (ME!!!)... And see if you can keep it under 10 grand (including the gauges).

At this point based on your expectations you can either get the HKS kit and leave it as it is, it will work fine...Or get an ATI or Vortec kit and add good enginemanagement and fuel system and be done with it...You seemed to already have made your choice from TT to SC, now its just a matter of narrowing your choice down to what kit you can live with and maintain properly...
Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
You need to be the ultimate judge of what will satisfy you and your driving habbits, not me or anyone on this forum..What I was simply trying to bring to light was the fact that, as Shariff stated, there are not "set it and forget it" applications on the market.In fact F/I basically doubles your maintainance schedule, regardless of what application is selected..All to often people think that the F/I kit bolts onand they can beat the crap out of the car and when something goes wrong they blame and flame the installer or the manufacturere of the kit.. I am simply trying to help you answer your original post..SC VS TT and bring to light the CONS of both systems as well as the pros...You will hardly find a salesman be honest enough to tell you up front that each and every kit, including the ones they sell has issues on its own that need to be addressed..
At this point based on your expectations you can either get the HKS kit and leave it as it is, it will work fine...Or get an ATI or Vortec kit and add good enginemanagement and fuel system and be done with it...You seemed to already have made your choice from TT to SC, now its just a matter of narrowing your choice down to what kit you can live with and maintain properly...
At this point based on your expectations you can either get the HKS kit and leave it as it is, it will work fine...Or get an ATI or Vortec kit and add good enginemanagement and fuel system and be done with it...You seemed to already have made your choice from TT to SC, now its just a matter of narrowing your choice down to what kit you can live with and maintain properly...
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Originally Posted by LouZer
Agreed. Anytime you force a car to do more than it was built for, things can and will go wrong and regular maintenance is definitely increased. But in the end, it is always worth it.
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I am acting like a 16 year old virgin before a senior prom. It's only a car, what's the worst that could happen...
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I am acting like a 16 year old virgin before a senior prom. It's only a car, what's the worst that could happen...
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Let me stall the desicion making process for another year or so, just long enough for the dealerships beginning to take pre-orders on the GT-R...
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Let me stall the desicion making process for another year or so, just long enough for the dealerships beginning to take pre-orders on the GT-R...
I would so never buy a 1st year car during it's crazy introduction period
you pay a lot more and go thru the stress of getting on waiting lists etc for a version of the car that's more buggy vs waiting a couple years later and getting the car lightly used for 2/3 the price.
you pay a lot more and go thru the stress of getting on waiting lists etc for a version of the car that's more buggy vs waiting a couple years later and getting the car lightly used for 2/3 the price.
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I would so never buy a 1st year car during it's crazy introduction period
you pay a lot more and go thru the stress of getting on waiting lists etc for a version of the car that's more buggy vs waiting a couple years later and getting the car lightly used for 2/3 the price.
you pay a lot more and go thru the stress of getting on waiting lists etc for a version of the car that's more buggy vs waiting a couple years later and getting the car lightly used for 2/3 the price.
If I started my project all over, I would have bought a used 2003 (base) in mid 2004 and built the living hell out of it...
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Originally Posted by LouZer
I too wish that I had purchased a Base model. Stupid alluring Touring features. But then again when I bought the car, I wasn't planning on changing everything.
Sometimes I do regret not buying a white '99 Supra I was looking at when I was buying the sportcar...
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