out of box on an APS kit, you could run an open exhaust and I will bet you won't blow your motor due to detonation. APS owners retune after isntall to get the best tune for their car, not for fear of their motors blowing. The out of box tune is very conservative and that is why you don't see APS car's popping.

 

Out of box the same could be said for the Turbonetics kit. As a matter of fact there are at least two that I know of who run their car with NO exhaust until they got an exhaust made and didn't overboost. Others have removed their exhaust all together on the Turbonetics kit on the dyno and not gotten an overboost issue. In fact just about everyone who installs their Turbonetics kit runs AFRs in the 10s or even 9s out of box. Thats just as safe as the APS tune. APS people re-tune because after bolting on an exhaust they are making 10-11 PSI instead of 8-9 with a stock one. Thats why they re-tune. Of course I'm sure you are the exception because according to you the kit can sense everything going on and automatically force the turbos to stay at the proper boost but we all know thats a crock. I can't even count how many threads I've read where someone bolts up the APS exhaust and bam 2 more psi. Thats why they re-tune. Its pretty common knowledge that a free flowing exhaust will net you more boost on just about any turbo car. Stock turbo guys do it just for that reason.

 

i bet there are more than 10 APS ST owners here. They just don't post much or at all and would rather just read the forums. They are too busy enjoying their reliable ST setup rather than posting here about detonation issues and boost creep and spiking.

Yes, there are a few people that post about APS ST issues, but they are in the minority and without throwing out personal attacks/insults on them, their issues were a result of their own doing.

You can compare blown motors between the TN kit and either of the APS setups, you will still see that aps has a much better track record. I was just giving you a hard time, because somehow your TN kit seemed to be elevated to the level of the APS TT kit, when IMO it can barely compete with the APS ST setup.

 

But today I read about a guy who on the APS conservative tune washed out his cylinders from being rich as hell, and needed a rebuild. What do you have to say about that?

If you wanna compare out of the box tunes Ive seen some out of the box APS TT as low as 32X whp, and never more than 35X whp. Ive never seen a TN out of the box tune so damn low or run so rich it washed the cylinders needing a rebuild ANd BTW-you talk about 1 guys incident with his car detonating, and you assume they all have that problem. Again-trying to spread false information.

Zivman

 

The washed rings thing I really can't comment on it as I don't know the exact specifics and I am willing to bet there is MUCH more to the story than is being told.

Besides, you guys are talking about 2 isolated cases.

In terms of HP and the TT kit, it is nothing more than a tuning related issue, so I don't need to say anything more than that.

And you say 1 person detonating with the TN kit? I counted 5 seperate posts about TN detonation issues one day right on the first page of this section..... one person....please!

 

You're one to talk about personal attacks The fact of the matter is for some reason or the other very few APS guys post any issues on the boards. I think it was made pretty clear that APS takes a stance of trying to keep their failures private so they look pristene on the boards. Thats not just coming from owners I talked to myself but that coming from vendors I also spoke with. Even phunk made this pretty common knowledge in the days of the APS smoke screen problems. APS was telling people to keep it off the boards. AS for the issues and whose fault they are the same could be said of any of the kits. I think its pretty safe to say that either setup out of box on a bone stock car has had no issues unless they were install related. Once the stock setup was changed of course things are going to always be perfect. Ifyou can't agree with that its a lost cause even talking to you. AS for the performance of my car since you obviously have ZERO knowledge of my car or how it performs I'll just take that as yet another personal attack from someone who is clearly the most hypocritical person in this thread. Since you have never gone head to head with a Turbonetics equipped car your opinion is right next to worthless. The day you are out on a roadcourse and pass a Turbonetics car then you can open your mouth about how "superior" your car is I've actually taken my car to the track..have you?

 

Thank you both for ruining another perfectly good thread.

 

So why is it everytime an APS car has a problem theres "more to the story then is being told" but when its a Turbonetics kit its automatically Turbonetics fault? Its pretty clear you have a double standard and that your goal here it to bash Turbonetics plain and simple. The majority of the mis-information you have posted is baseless and based on what you think you know about the kit from install instructions. Radiator doesn't fit? Turbo in the engine bay is a problem (somehow Supras get away with it along with every 4 cylinder on the planet) You have obvioulsy never seen a Turbonetics car in person, driven one, or anything close to that. At least if you are going to blindly hate admit you are and stop being such a hypocrit.

 

Can someone please make a gif like the one where the guy has a Nissan head and he's humping a Honda logo, but instead give him a TN head humping an APS logo? Please? Oh yeah, make one the other way around as well. Maybe put some smoke coming out of the APS guys butt, and shrapnel coming out of the TN guy's butt. Please PM me with your work. I will be the final judge as to which guy is the king of the humpers.

 

I totally agree.

I most likely will never have a chance to go head to head with a TN car for the following reasons:
1.) not many Z's in my area
2.) Even fewer modified Z's
3.) Even fewer yet FI Z's in my area
4.) The one TN setup that was a local to me BLEW UP - no joke
5.) The locals to me are smart enough and like having their motors in working condition, so they buy APS products.

I might take a trip down to IL this coming march if anyone with a TN setup cares to meet up with me.

APS does not moderate the boards and such, does not keep things hush hush like you imply. People can post freely about their APS issues, and just because you don't see many that do, doesn't mean there is some conspiracy keeping threads that talk about APS issues off the boards.

With the issue I had, I openly posted about my situation and had more than one unfriendly chat with APS about what was going on and none of my posts ever disappeared or were edited.

I will agree, that I may have a bit of double standard when it comes to beleiving what I read on the boards. 99% of what is on these forums is nothing but lies and half truths and even the best of us get caught up in it.

After the first hand experience I have had with APS products and doing 2 complete installs and driving both setups, there is not one single reason for me to recommend ANY other product. That said, I would love to go for a drive in every available FI setup availalbe and see how they compare.

 

Well at least you admit you are biased without ever having driven or installed another companies kit. Thats a start. So how bout until then you keep your opinions of them yourself. I've stopped openly bashing APS kits on this board unless of course you start the age old argument. Until I have owned, installed, and driven one at the track I won't pretend everything thats posted here is 100% accurate. If you would do the same I think we might just be having the last of these thread ruining arguments. If you want to promot APS hey go ahead. Thats what you got and thats what you like. But if you keep dropping little lame hints like "cringe" and making inuenndos about another kit it defeats the purpose. I am willing to agree to disagree about each others kit and just post info about my own and my own experiences. Heres to hoping you are the bigger man as well.

 

fine by me. though I will miss these threads a bit. Between all the BS and bashing, they are somewhat informative and enjoyable IMO.

Peace brother

 

I might miss them a bit but I'd say the majority of the time there are more enjoyable then informative. BTW someone should probably call hell and find out how cold it is....

 

Dang i leave to work for 1 day haha and come back to this?!?!? jk anyways all this info is helpful, but my main concern is reliability, im hearing issues about APS and TN... i have to have reliability its the biggest thing. Yes i want a fast Z, yes I wanna dominate streets/tracks. But I also want something that will be very mod friendly (which most turbo kits are) cause im sure like all people i will look for more power, after ive saved (past the turbo) just in case of problems etc... im going about this the right way, save for turbo... buy turbo.... save for installation, install it.... save for problems etc... And I can understand why to get UTEC over EU ive read what each can do over and over, but i wont make that an issue right now til im at least 1/2 away from kit

Ziv i know you like to be sarcastic and overpowering with ur ... wisdom ... so to speak, but please im not looking for arguements anymore with you, it was fun at first, but nows its already old. This post was one of the more serious ones ive tried to post cause its a huge change from my daily driving not worrying about anything cause of warranty, mode. But anyways to get back on topic, ive heard good/but very bad, things about TN kits, and vice/versa for APS. Are there ways to get TT running safely at low boost to put me in between 350-400? If so then im stuck with the JWT TT from VRT, theyve sold me better then any of you really can, and they werent trying to sell me their product, they were actually explaining all the other kits that made me decide on the JWT TT its just im looking at install of 12k as opposed to 8-10k, which is a major difference and can mean 2-4 more months of saving, etc... so when i get to 6-7k ill prolly be close to changing my mind etc but i still need the sides of each kit from owners perspectives. Anyways, thanks for all the advice and in all honesty thank you for a funny @ss post, i laughed thru almost this entire 4 pages of BS haha, and the semi picture war was funny as hell to! thanks